@allbies, once in a while check these links for information currency [Link Version 2007-11-08, 13:42:36]
Sorry I forgot to put my name earlier I am same as Alla, annonymous, hidden and JP. All the above posts are mine. Tryin to sleep but the chics upstairs are havin a party its 2.00 in da mornin. Tryin to be sober for a while too much of juice in the body. So here I am check this thing they forgot to put the filters on and got a small single line mail.. Just a small info I will paste u the header again so if u can tell me I am right or not would be of gr8 help. Hey if someone can add her new id on plentyoffish is 'golinata' would be great coz ppl here in Australia would not search for her in Ukraine or an anti scam site like this...
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Have a good weekend guys hopefully everyone of us gets laid this weekend. I do eye for the chic upstairs she is 18 im 26 too young for me tho but if she is fine with it who cares.. One more of her pics need to show you this really fresh and nut cracker. I dont know what this chic is but she has a lot of pics guys I think I need to be patient think so to get more of her..
Eddie from Sweden
annonymous, hidden and JP
Ozzie mate, the header that you just posted is from the same account as the last one you posted. It traces to Estonia, not from Ukraine.
'Kittymailbox' is some sort of email provider, I guess based in Estonia. The fact is that if there's no originating IP address in your mail header, it's 100% scam.
'She' wants to call you because the scammers are trying to con you into thinking 'she's' real. It's probably a female accomplice in on the scam. If she was real, and interested in you, she would be quite happy for YOU to call her. Part of the scam is always that 'she' has no phone, it's been stolen, she can't afford it. It's BULLSHIT. How then can she afford the internet, or an intrenet café...much more expensive. If she has a job, she should have a phone at her workplace that you can call. If she doesn't have a job, same question....how then can she afford the internet, or an internet café.
Hey man thanks very much for checking the ip for me. I was wrong again. Hey I know she is a scam but just gettin more out of her, I recd another mail this morning and another pic from her. Ya its a scanned pic from a somewhr not clear. Hey Eddie now I have my eyes wide open and my bank account is empty so I dont care even if she asks me for money its not in the bank its somewhr else I can trust..
Cya guys thanks very much, the mail she/he is sending me are gettin better and better in English how can someone get a hold of a foreign language in just 2weeks (bloody idiots). Just saved myself I was looking for a flight to Moscow on google when I came across this site. I took a look and found her here. Untill then I was overflowing with emotions. This is her new mail she wrote I recd thmornin:
I hope that you will not be offended that i wrote to you such a small letter! I had a very difficult and hard work day so i am very tired now and feel not well. I will write you later by all means. My work take too much strength of mine. I will write you soon, and hope that you will not forget me during this small time! Do you miss me? What feelings you have when you get my letters?
Hope to hear from you soon.
So I am not gonna loose any money on her.. Heres a new pic I recd his morning.. Hope your weekends gettin better and enjoy ur sunday at the beach..
Eddie from Sweden
JP...no problems, mate. Dating scams are easy to fall for. The scammers target guys who are sort of looking for a partner in the first place. They choose their pics well, ones that most guys will like...and they have a few favourite sets that turn up again and again. (must be good money earners). Don't blame yourself for getting your hopes up, you're only human ;D
But you have to get it out of your head that this is a girl you're dealing with!!!...
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
They're VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They generally use email extractor programs to get your mail address, and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway.
If 'her' English has improved, then I'm surprised. Maybe 'she's' found a new internet translator, or letter set changes when she thinks the victim's on the hook.
Anyway, you can write any crap in your replies and they usually won't react, they're generally only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait. And owadays, the majority of Russian scammers use proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations, or in this case some weird, untraceable email provider called 'kittymail'. I've looked it up on the net and it seems to be involved in a lot of different types of scam.
Your scammer could be a freelance.
bit cold for the beach here, mate. See ya.
Thanks very much for all your help.. Ya I got the idea in the beginning that she/they are not replying to my emails. Then as of last week its been really nice all my emails are nicely and perfectly replied. A brief history of how I found her. I am registered on a dating site plentyoffish. I normally send 5-6 mails in a week to the recently joined members on the site.. Not many ppl reply to my mails even if they do its a rejection mail.. I even tried less than average chics even they rejected my request. But as a random I send this chic a mail. It was a free bait for them. In the third mail she said she wants to have my kids I was really confused I searched for kitty, Alla and golinata the last one was her id on plenty. I am of Indian origin so its hard to get a reply here in Oz but this chic asked me of havin a ffamily I was a bit confused and started fallin for her letters in next 2weeks. But at the end of second week she/they send me a pic of her mom (which is posted somewhr here a old lady). Then I was a bit confuseed as old ladies never have a pic in public place all by themselves. So I was gonna ask her for her address and visit her in Kozlovka, near Cheboksary, Russia. This is only what she/they told me. Then I was looking for best season to go thr and flight info I came across this site and was not thinkin of finding her here but kept on hittin the top left hand corner datin scammers and somehow came across her pic and was almost blacked out.. But now I am back to senses and ready to play the game where there is no emotion and no monetary value just for the sake of fun I am continuing the conversation. Hey wud be happy to know more about the thing when when you have confronted with the scammers themselves. Can I burst his link is it possible wwithout getting me into trouble. Hey I really forgot its summer here down under so it winter up thr sorry my bad.
Gotta call from her yesterday. It was early in da mornin so I did not answer the call. I am tryiin to figure out the accent. Its really a clear voice I dont know if they have such good clarity or digital connection from Russia. But this sounds really clear and the accent I think is American, her name on the phone was Judy and Judith. Should have done better homework b4 leaving a voice mail. This is what I like abt voice mails you can listen as many times as you want and the person on the other end is really surprised and is hard for him to bluff at the last moment which is its going to be saved. I am geting really confused now look at the pics they seem to be really her now.. This pics is from nowhere how did they get this pic its some kinda big scam. Is it possible to find the author for www.blonda007.nm.ru site by any chance. Someone has to tell this chic about all her pics. This thing has to end somewhr. If I stop chatting today they might find someone else to con.
2007-11-13, 12:01:46 (updated: )
[hidden] from United States
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