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Name: Natalya
Email: pretty@besthottop.info
Address: Russia,town Osinniki
Voevodina street 49,flat 17

Near big city Novokuznetsk


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2009-10-03, 03:26:04
wanwan from Japan  
@Dirk

I know you have a clear standard.And you say

''My standard is clear and simple''

but it is '' YOUR '' clear standard ,it is not my standard and not Delphi's standard.
I know you have a clear standard and it means Democracy.People have different opinions.
It is a Democracy.

And our site admin says '' Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity '',
it is a clear standard ? I don't think so.It is not clear standard so you & me have different opinions.
This standard ''Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity'' is not a concrete one,I think so.
We need a ''dialectical process''.
You put your opinions & I also do.

By the way almost pictures on Delphi ,
it is an adult one like this.

And minor's photos are few on Delphi.
When we delete minor's photos,
our Delphi will vanish ?


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2009-10-03, 04:09:59
anonymous from Netherlands  


AGAIN SUCH A NICE LETTER!!

Hello!!!
My name is Anna. I use this kind of dialogue for the first time.
For this reason I want to apologize beforehand, if I will write
something not correctly. I heard that many people who not
been able to find happiness in the usual life, have found happiness
through Internet. I have decided to make this step. I hope you will also in me if we
support our relations.Hope that they will be sincere, warm and confidential.
I want to believe that our glances coincide and you and i are not different people.
I search for that person who rescue me from solitude.I feel myself solitary in
this enormous, false and cruel world.It is so awfully.I come short heats of
the confidence and rapports very much.I search for the person whom I could
open my soul and heart, be divided their own thoughts and feeling, understand
that somebody need me.The main is clean and openning soul.
If you search for the same please write me.
My personal email address is: beautygirl@fast-mail.info

I promise that your letter will not remain unheeded and answered.
2009-10-03, 04:54:53   (updated: 2009-10-03, 05:40:57)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
In law, the term minor (also infant or infancy) is used to refer to a person who is under the age in which one legally assumes adulthood and is legally granted rights afforded to adults in society. Depending on the jurisdiction and application, this age may vary, but is usually marked at either 18, 20, or 21. Specifically, the status of minor is defined by the age of majority.[verification needed]

In countries like Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, and South Korea, a minor is a person under 20 years of age. In many countries, including Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Brazil and Croatia, a minor is presently defined as a person under the age of 18. In the United States, where the age of majority is set by the individual states, minor usually refers to someone under the age of 18, but can be used in certain areas (such as gambling and the consuming of alcohol) to define someone under the age of 21.


http://en.wikipedia..nor_(law)

Is this girl over 18 (or 20 by Japanese standard)? http://www.delphifa..46#174262

There are lots of girls like her on Delphi, pretending to be 25 in the letters but looking like 16 (minor) in the pics.

Professional pornmodels, like Raven Riley, are at least 18. Else they violate the Law. It's OK to post their pics here, but... NO NUDITY.

Let's pretend that Wanwan doesn't know who the girl in the following picture is. Give us your first impression. Is she a minor? Would you post her pics on Delphi (by Japanese standard)?

In my opinion the Admin means: 'Indecent pics of minors'. Delphi-standard and my standard are exactly the same. Why? Because USA-Law and the Law in The Netherlands are exactly the same on this question.




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2009-10-03, 06:34:06
Magnus from Huddinge, Sweden  
writes to the thread of anna ogannisya.i have got scammed of her and wanna writes with people who has got scammed too.regards.
2009-10-03, 06:35:09
Magnus from Huddinge, Sweden  
shes nam is anna ogannisyan and not anna ogannisya.see you soon.regards.
2009-10-03, 06:38:31
anonymous from India  
hay i want you to meet you riply
2009-10-03, 07:46:02
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
From: suwintik@hotmail.com
Date: 10/03/09 2:33 PM
Subject: from Sveta
Message: hi)How are you?
I'm from Ukraine
our life is very unpredictable..maybe you is me future and i don't want to lose this chance so i wait for your replay!Wish you great weekend!
Sveta





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2009-10-03, 07:48:39   (updated: 2009-10-03, 07:49:54)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Sveta
Lisichansk, , Ukraine

http://www.antheacl..&id=20069




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2009-10-03, 07:52:33
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Real name: Heather Renee Smith

Heather Rene Smith
Date Of Birth 8-Jan-87
Place Of Birth Salinas, California, United States
Nationality American
Celebrity Status Model


http://www.zimbio.c..nee+Smith

http://tineye.com/s..db663984f




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2009-10-03, 07:57:30
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Heather Renee Smith




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2009-10-03, 09:12:23
OJAS from United States  
India 2009-10-03, 06:38:31 do you want to meet this one? http://www.delphifa..28#160009
Or the one in my next article? One of the links gives her email contact
2009-10-03, 09:13:05
OJAS from United States  
2009-10-03, 10:16:31
wanwan from Japan  
@Newbies
@Oldbies


Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity


It is not a personal standard but a Delphi's standard.
So it is very important for posters to clarify the concrete standard .
What do you think of this issue ?
When you put your own thoughts ,opinions on here,
it is a welcome step for clarification of posting standard.
It is important for us to argue the pros and cons.
Off course I will invite the admin to here to ask his thoughts.
2009-10-03, 16:10:46
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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Hello Fellow Delphfians

I have been forced into this discussion over pictures of Minors.
I for one if, I am to take Dirks view on this issue must immediately
go and retract many statements that, I have made demanding
the removal of pictures of what clearly are children.
I have had pictures removed because of this.
This is no longer a discussion between just those who have contributed
to this site and recognize each other.
The scammers actually seized the opportunity to cause confusion
on many threads.
I have had contact with a long list of very offended Woman who refuse
to come on this site and contribute anything until this site cleans it self up.

While the legal Definition is clear to everyone very clear in fact there
has been no debate over that part of the Issue.

It is the posted Policy that creates the question.
[ Please do not post inappropriate pictures, inappropriate pictures include
pictures of Minors and Nudity. ]

Where the rub comes into this is whoever the reader is See's the
word Minors. That indicates logically a child under the legal age
of adulthood it in no way implies it is intended to me only nude
pictures.
In fact with the next word word being nude.
That word covers any nude pictures meaning adult and minors both.
There is no need to say nude pictures of Minors because the way it is
written they are covered by the word nude pictures.

So here it is a matter of opinion on how to read it and understand it as posted.
I can tell, You right now out of many opinions on this topic.
Until, I read Dirks response to Wanwan not one single person
ever got the meaning out of it as Dirks opinion reflects.

In, My opinion this appears as a double standard to everyone right now.
It must not be dismissed out of hand as nothing important.
There are already Battles in progress on this topic.
Unless Peter posts a clear definition on this point as to what is
meant by the word Minors we are at a impasse.

My personal opinion has always been any photograph showing
nudity needs to be removed. Nudity tears down this sites reputation
and many will never come here seeking anything as long as it remains.
Woman especially are offended by all the nudity.

As for Minors, I remove any picture that contains a child's face.
Nearly all the postings on this site are victims who's pictures were
used without permission in the first place.
It serves no good purpose to post a innocent child's picture here.
It is bad enough the Adults have their pictures here.
But a Child has no voice or choice and needs to be protected.
This site should be open to educating anyone who wants to learn
about these scams and scammers.
If a Minor comes here now and See's pictures of, His or Her friends
posted here what is that Minor going to take away from tha ?
At a bare minimum the fear their photo can be posted here also.

If the site Policy is to be like Dirks view then plainly print it out.
Specifically saying Minors pictures are only allowed when dressed appropriately.
If not the view that no Minors means no Minors is the one to take.
It gives no exceptions.

A side bar on this topic. There are Many Nude pictures of a Minor
on this site that have been here from before, My time.
Nothing has been to remove them except a occasional removal.
Just search Jewel Danes there are loads of them scattered across more threads
than, I can count. This obviously was the intent of the Spammer / Scammer.
This site needs to wake up to these issues not make postings that
mock Wanwan for, His opinion.

I say these things with all due respect to everyone.
This is not a slam or offense toward anyone.
But it is time this issue is taken seriously and with the view of
the Majority who are watching to see what is done.
We lost a very good contributor over this already.
Its not time to make light about this its time clarity be given
to everyone.

I will continue to see any child's picture that is posted be removed.
I do not judge the person who posted it.
I will only stop this action when told by Peter, I am wrong.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
2009-10-03, 18:59:54   (updated: 2009-10-03, 19:06:55)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
My dear and respected friend Wanwan,

Why can't you just accept that your interpretation is wrong? Why can't you just accept that we don't have an issue here? We all just have to live by the rules. Delphi is under the jurisdiction of US Laws. One of those Laws says:

It is forbidden to posses and/or pass on to others SEXUALLY EXPLICIT (: pornographic) pictures, showing minors.


The Law describes 'minors' as everybody who is younger than 18 years.

The Admin translated this Law into his own words:

Please do not post inappropriate pictures. Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity.


The Admin has a very good reason for this request. The Law says:

Anyone who breaches this law will face the consequences (: punishment, imprisonment).


The Admin told you in his own words: 'It will get me in serious trouble.' Right he is! He's the owner of this site. So he can be held responsible for its content. Even if some fools posted illegal, sexually explicit pics of minors.

Pictures (as meant in the Law and in the Admin's request) should be removed from this site immediately. You find most of them in the West-African Threads. So... Bupkus.

My dear and respected friend,

It's a pity (and amusing at the same time) that you didn't answer my question, regarding the pic I posted. I asked you: Would you ask the Admin to remove this pic (without knowing this young lady's real identity)? I will answer this question for you.

Based on your (wrong) assumption that the Admin means 'pictures of minors IN GENERAL', your answer is: Yes, the girl in the picture looks minor. So, the pic has to be removed. Your next request would be: Remove all pics (and her Thread) from this site. That, my friend, would be the first step towards removing about 3,000 Threads from Delphi. Yes! Take a closer look at all the thousands pictures posted on Delphi, and you will agree that 95 percent of the girls is (or looks) a minor.

Regular visitors know that the girl in the picture is a famous and popular TEENAGER pornstar: Allison Angel. Now that you have this extra piece of information, you would even stress the importance of removing her Thread at once! Let me tell you this, my dear friend. The Admin will smile and reject your request. Why? Because, Allison is fully dressed in the picture (not sexually explicit). Furthermore... Allison was born on 7 April 1986. She's 23 (considered an adult by Law). Any sexually explicit pics in her Thread will be removed. The rest stays as evidence of the fact that Allison's pics are abused by Dating Scammers. Same goes for Raven Riley (and other pornmodels, like the fully dressed adult Lisa Daniels).

A new problem arises! Like said: Most girls in the pics used by scammers are (or look like) minors (younger than 18 years). The pics are not sexually explicit. The pics don't breach the stated Law. But, Wanwan wants to remove all pictures (and Threads) showing minors (IN GENERAL). My dear friend, the Admin will have a hell of a job. He will have to remove about 3,000 Threads.
And what about us? What about all this time we invested in posting Scammer after Scammer, who use 'stolen' pictures of 16 year old, innocent girls from sites like Facebook, Hyves, etcetera? Was it all just wasted time? Yes, if your interpretation is correct. No, if I am right. Those pics are perfectly LEGAL (: in accordance with the Law).

This was my last contribution to this non-discussion. I found another Minor in my mailbox. Will post her right after this comment.

Thank you.

BTW,

Most countries in the world have this Law, including The Netherlands.




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