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This lady sent me an email - her first to me - which on internet search showed her up on a scammer site - as a gorm letter - the text is:

Hi! Have good day!. The computer in service of acquaintances found to
me Some structures of people which coincide with my inquiry. I
Preliminary studied them and has decided to send you to the first the
message Because your structure seems to me more interesting. I hope,
that You have time to send me some messages that we could it is better
to find out each other. I shall tell a little about myself; my age of
27 years old , my name is Elena, friends name me is Elena. I was not
married and I live in an apartment of my parents . Some years, after
the ending of training I work seller soft toys in shop. To me To like
productive leisure, periodically go in for sports for maintenance of a
body. I like to travel and be in different places, but My work does
not allow me to do it frequently. I have many friends, We sometimes
together spend time, play billiards and tennis, we have Other
entertainment. I send you the picture that you knew my person. Also I
want to ask you to send me some pictures of you. Please Ask things
interesting you about me and inform me some The information on you:
what you love an entertainment? What your character? What You love
qualities in women? Whether You had the wife? I shall answer on your
questions and to inform you it is more about itself in following
E-mail! I shall be To wait for your messages. Elena

I wont bother replying. Photo sent with letter is added below.


2007-06-09, 17:00:36   (updated: )
[hidden] from United Kingdom  

Keywords: brunette sunglasses black top blue jeans
2007-10-29, 23:08:51
anonymous from United States  
Here is mine...Almost identical. Wow. this hurts! I cant believe I was so easy and such a retard! I sent personal pics to this horrible group of scammers to laugh at.

Hi! My not familiar friend! In a service of acquaintances to me Have
given some questionnaire of the people, which approach me, I
Previously studied them and has decided to send you to the first
message Because your structure seems to me more interesting. I hope,
that You have time to send me some messages, that we could It is
better to learn each other. I shall tell not much about myself: my age
25 Years, my complete name Juliana, And so me name the friends Yuliya
or it is simple Yulya. I once Was married, but my marriage has broken
up as my former husband of saws, and Deceived me. I hope that you not
such and we can construct ours The future. But before far and us it is
necessary much to learn about each other. The given moment I live in
an apartment of the parents, After the termination Honey of the
college I work nurse in hospital, my job Very to like I from childhood
very much wanted to become physician, and I think that My dream has
come true. To me very much to like there to work. Free from Jobs time
I play sports for maintenance of health. And as I I like to go in the
summer with the friends on picnics to lakes. I have one Dream to meet
with the liked man dawn only he and I on a coast The rivers. As we
with the girlfriends often are engaged with volleyball. I send you
Some photos, that you would present as I look, and I I hope that to
you to like. And I shall wait from you of the letter with yours By
photos. I have not how much questions for you, than you like To be
engaged in free time? What you to like in the women? You when Not be
were married? You have children? You use spirits Drinks? And last
question on today As you think that to you not To like in itself? I
wait from you of the letters with questions which Have arisen at you
to me. Yours faithfully I shall wait from you of the answer, yours The
new friend Yuliya, my electronic address

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Dating scammer Yuliya

2007-10-29, 23:09:23
anonymous from United States  
more pics...
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Dating scammer Yuliya

2007-10-29, 23:09:50
anonymous from United States  
and another...

2007-10-29, 23:10:20
anonymous from United States  
and another...

2007-10-29, 23:11:29
anonymous from United States  
Letter #2
Hi Brian! Have pleasant day! Brian, you ask, where I live - to To
regret it far from you also can be, we not when can not be together.
Differently it was not necessary much e-mail, To learn each other. I
live in an average part of Russia, in city Cheboksary. But if we shall
decide to meet, I hope, what is it not Will be a problem for us,
because I have made a little Travels to other countries. I was in the
several countries of Europe; For example Turkey, also went with the
sister in Germany. I made these travels as The tourist. Therefore
Brian, you should not have excitement rather That we not beside. I
such woman, that if I shall like The man, for meeting I shall reach
even on the moon. Besides in Our days is not a problem to make such
travels. I not I worry about it and I have necessary feelings to get
acquainted and probably To have the attitudes with the man of other
state. It is very interesting - Other culture, thinking, tradition.
For me this new - Probably and you Brian Can learn, that such Russian
woman. You as ask concerning other address in my structure; at first I
Specified in a structure the country, but then the computer of a
service of acquaintances My structure did not accept and informed,
that I should try to enter the information Once again. I did it still
few times, but he again asked me to do New attempt. Then I did
experiment and I specified in a structure, that From other country and
my structure at once was accepted. I think, what is it or The mistake
with the programs of the computer or this service of acquaintances
works not with each country. On it I finish the letter. Write and ask
questions. I shall wait for yours e-mail.Yours Yuliya.
2007-10-29, 23:12:55
anonymous from United States  
She was on Yahoo out!
2007-10-30, 02:18:28
Eddie from Sweden  
To any newcomers who find this thread, via Google or whatever, PLEASE READ THIS!


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal them from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to stealing them to me). Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses, and form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait. The majority of Russian scammers nowadays also use proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially when he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

So....if several or more of the following criteria apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first!
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think with your brain!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this strange because a serious girl who's looking for a partner usually saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# girl claims not to have a mobile phone. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level? + if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego or loneliness pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam. THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, that's the only thing you need to do really..

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!

She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. All of these she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries...the USA and Canada are almost as complicated. Anyway, a normal tourist visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Be realistic. In any case, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are a few scammers that are more patient and professional, who will take months before they scam you for money (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot them anyway). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, are not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense.

But a ground rule is: if you are actually looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her, after all you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It worked for me.
2007-10-30, 03:26:08
OJAS from United States  
Thanks Eddie
Hope you understand I never meant to rob your time so soon after what I meant to be a request finding its way into Santa's wish-list.

I'll correspondingly update my first-level abridgement; Don't bother with parsed bbc link. I anyway cover it as part of my first-level.

After testing successfully several times I'll have a ''final'' condensed post; It'll be no more than 2 - 3 lines; It's just tall enough to attract a newbie with a wheel mouse; It's short enough not to bother an oldbie as too repetetive.
2007-10-31, 20:01:08
OJAS from United States  
If you're a newcomer who found this thread via Google or whatever, PLEASE READ THIS: http://www.delphifa..=69#58888
@Oldbies, once in a while check these links for information currency
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