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Name: Elena


Russia, Perm, Kuibisheva street, 15, flat 4. An index 614007.
The address of bank Western Union: GUTA BANK. KOMSOMOLSKII
PROSPEKT, 7. PERM, the Index 614990

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[Her dying mother]

Hello my dear $ukr!!! I to have very bad mood and to me is very sad. Today doctors informed me awful news. They to me to tell, that my mum will need to be performed operation. And the operation will be faster made, the it will be better for it. But a problem that this operation very expensive. If we to not have time to perform this operation my mum any more will not be in alive. She will die. I to not want, that my mother to die. Operation costs 800 euros. I to not know, where to me to find such big sum of money. Now I should devote time to search of money for operation to my mum. To me it will be very difficult to find the sum, but I shall try. On it I to finish the letter. I shall wait for your letter. I kiss you!!! Your Elena.

[My reponse: Boyfriends >> poor friend like me, who have to impose on friends]

Hello my dear Elena!!! I couldn't write to you earlier due to my travels.
Sorry to hear about you mother. I spoke about her to my friend in New York, who is an internationally famous surgeon. He is highly respected by many surgeons in Russia, who were his students. It is nice of him to have offered to help on the medical issue. I know, in the time he was with me on the phone, he was losing more than 800, the surgical cost you mention, because that is the kind of income he earns. He however wants to help me, out of respect for me. I am going to ask his help, ONLY AFTER you will send me some information.
However, it may be easier for you, to ask all your boyfriends, and they may happily give you 800, and more!
I again wish your mother well.


Hello my darling $ukr!!! Thank you very much for the letter. Unfortunately I asked 800 euros my friends, but anybody from my friends has no such sum. So you can help me whether or not? Now I should come back to my mother I Wait for your following letter. I kiss you!!! Your Elena.

[My challenge - Доверие, но проверие - Boy they hate Stalin!]

Elena!!! [Taking care to repay everyone of her ! in kind and count]
I suggested you ask all your boyfriends. Many times, boyfriends will do lot more than friends.
If you want me to ask my doctor-friend, send me all these:
1) Hospital's name, full address, phone number, fax number, web-page address
2) The Doctor's name, full address, phone number and e-mail address
3) A copy of the doctor's diagnostic report
4) A copy of hospital's billing statement
5) A picture of you with your mother in or just outside the hospital
6) Your full name, address and phone number
7) Your mum's full name, address and phone number
They can all be in Cyrillic, it doesn't matter if you can't give them in English
The billing statement can be in Roubles, since hospitals in Perm accept Roubles, and you don't even need to worry about or $.
My friend will talk to the doctor about the diagnostics, and unlike me he understands all the medical details. After he understands the full details, he will then contact one of his students, who are now surgeons in Russia, and possibly have him visit you, your mother, and the hospital in Perm. After that he can pay the hospital in Roubles directly.
This is the easiest way of doing things for many reasons:
1) I can pay my friend any time in any currency. He is an extremely close friend of mine from my college days.
2) He can pay his Russian student surgeon in any currency. Although they may not want to accept from him, my friend will insist on paying them
3) The hospital and doctor bills can be paid directly to them and in Roubles, saving all the time and effort for them, and you in dealing with foreign currencies.
And most of all, here is the biggest advantage for you!!!
You do not have to become my girlfriend, but keep all your present Russian boyfriends, and perhaps get even more of them!
So think about it!


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2008-01-27, 07:14:45
Crikey from Australia  

Was it wrong clogging up the page with my original post in the primer thread about the scammer alisha? The second post yes was just the bare facts about aussie visas,well as bare as i could keep them,cause when it comes to visas for any country nothing is

Re-Mickey,i dont have his email to ask him to forward your email onto me,Ive only been in contact with Dirk mainly and Tony briefly.That said i would still like to see your suggestions and information etc.When receiving the mail of yours ill be happy to go over and post in the welcome thread with the aus-flag etc.

It feels weird being a newbee here,in regards to being scammed i am,in regards to being online ive been around ten years or so!cheers,hope to hear back from ya.

p.s ,im in the process of creating a new thread for my scammer,hope my email dont get published,some say they dont but do!

ok i created the thread,have the update link,but cant find the thread through the front door so to speak lol
2008-01-27, 08:46:39
OJAS from United States  
Not at all, mate!
That's what this thread is for; and so are most other threads. I'm happy to see Crikey with Aussie flag, Droog with Russian flag and more posting on this thread.

The Welcome thread makes it easy for newbies to navigate, if limited to just being informative.

The actively baiting threads may get too distracting for the author if lengthy discussions are posted that have nothing to do with aiding the author.

The inquiry thread is 991, when a newbie is unable to find string search or picture search for a new one.

The oldest 5 are the Kazan threads, therefore the largest, and most of the over 1600 threads are open for all posts.

There is an German thread; From time to time a French thread gets activated. For newbies with difficulties with English I have been suggesting they start a new thread in their language so others may help them. Usually this will be ineffective way of finding help, since most threads are in English, and most readers may not know other languages.

These are just recommendations to keep threads manageable for delphi users

Once again feel free to post any time on this thread.

Seems you've already won the series. Ready to join the Adelaide oval for singing Underneath the Southern Stars? :-) (Don't know the words to the Baggy Green Anthem!)
2008-01-27, 09:56:49
Crikey from Australia  
I like your thread as a home base,its lessens the confusion! My new thread for 'alisha' is up and running,but i cant find it via the 'front door' as a user,rather than a thread creator! i type this 'alisha' logs into yahoo on,and runs when i drop a little hello into the chat box!.lol.

Have we won the cricket already? i know we got 1/5 runs early on then i had to go out,didnt think it was over till tomorrow?As far as the adelaide oval nah,too far away,although i was born in a suburb called norwood in adelaide,and even worse ..ummm,did u know most aussies dont even know the second verse/stanza to our own anthem?lolol.

And again 'alisha' signs in and out,thats a positive sign i suppose,it means the idiots are still using one of the 3 addys i logged here,meaning the next victim has a chance to google the truth about them.B4 i fell for my scammer i did google,but there was no info on the addy,the numbers,or pictures,so i took the chance..silly me,but thats life,ive come to see through this website i was fortunate,others have lost so much more.

Anyways take it easy man,hope Dirk can send you my email addy soon to see your ideas an post them under the aussie flag!
2008-01-27, 11:05:03
OJAS from United States  
It's a pleasure mate, you and any one else deciding to bookmark my thread as a home base. It will inspire me to do my homework, because someone is there to avail of my work, will even stop by my thread for a visit.

You will see how heavily I rely on contributions from Aussies and others. Although I could do this, better an Aussie flag, so I request you copy / paste the following block to a notepad file, MAKE SURE DELETE BLANK SPACE AFTER EACH http and before the colon: Post the edited text (with Aussie style captions) in the Welcome thread http://www.delphifa..2412.shtml Revise the captions Aussie style and test the hyperlinks that they work OK. Although I have been doing similar things, Aussie newbies may be more comfortable exchanging information with another Oz flag, than with my American flag. The idea of an indexed set of links actually arose from an Oz newbie who completely missed such important posts but felt a bit reluctant to ask explicitly in del.

Mate, if you have not already seen these, please read these:

Raise a toast http ://
Cheers works for the AFP http ://
Beware of what you deposit http ://
Block future wire transfers as soon as you identity a new scammer http ://
Do extra homework before visiting some countries http ://,22606,22233912-5005962,00.html
If you go to Russia first, you will return. If your money goes first, it stays there. http ://
Template photograph Hello Spinner (photoshop your own name) http ://
Spread scammer watch http ://
Scam advisory http ://
Fosters? VB? XXXX? http ://
Welcome thread http ://
http ://
http :// p=0#65857

(After deleting blanks in URLs) As soon as you post the above block, immediately copy the new URL to a flash drive and save.

delphi permits 15 posts per page for quick page loading. If you are posting anyway something else on a page, where a one-liner does not already appear on an earlier post, at the end of your new post, add this one line paragraph from your flash drive. (Note Copy / Pasted of contraction URLs directly from delphi will not work)

The oparagraph

If you have not already seen (just obtained URL from the fladrive)


2008-01-27, 12:22:37   (updated: 2008-01-27, 12:59:23)
OJAS from United States  
A newly accepted thread may take 24 to 48 hours before becoming visible to others. Till then only the author may access it from the e-mail link approved and sent by Admin

A new post is given a new comment jump number after the #. It immediately scrolls to the top, and the URL can be copied by the author, saved on to a flash drive, for future postings of that article.

URLs longer than (29?) characters will be contracted with 2 dots .. in delphi. These are hot links, will only work when directly clicked on.

Contraction URLs will not work if they are copy / pasted. To retain copy / paste as future option, I adopt Peter (Germany) idea of inserting a blank after the http These links won't work when directly clicked on, because of the invalid blank character in the URL, and needs to be removed to become a valid URL

Crikey, a reminder on the above posts, test the edited URLs from your edited notepad file, to make sure http is immediately followed by the colon: no blank space, carriage returns etc.
2008-01-27, 15:00:44   (updated: 2008-01-27, 15:06:45)
OJAS from United States  
Crikey, I found your thread http://www.delphifa..2662.shtml (Bookmark for ready access)
http :// (blank introduced)

In the folder http://www.delphifa..age_scams/ I started descending order of thread numbers, and this is one way of finding recent threads
2008-01-27, 17:03:30
OJAS from United States  
The quickest way to this site is logon to
A slower way (larger size) is logon to http://www.delphifa.._scams.htm has its own advantages. On the Edit menu of the browser, Find alisha I think this is what Crikey calls find it via the 'front door'. You had me stumped for a while, not but for long, mate! :-)
2008-01-27, 21:25:13
Crikey from Australia  

Yep i found the 'front door' lol,peter sent me an email that i got today confirming the page is open,it seems to have auto added 'most' of my posts from previous pages spread out through links all over,which is good!I added it to book marks and now will continue my version of hunting these types down,and helping any where i can.

Damn they must be stupid,ive sent some outrageous evil aussie emails to the addies of 'alisha' and yet the yahoo-alisha, last night responded to me when i softened up and started talking MTCN numbers and calling her 'honey' lol..must be a night shift worker,good,i may be able to waste their time a little bit more then.

Recently i spoke to western union via mail,my banks are seeking to name-block the addies i gave them on 'alisha' but western union responded to me personally with some addies to goto,i will paste the reply below.

Thank you for contacting Western Union. We are writing regarding your inquiry. We strongly suggest you contact your local law enforcement to report this incident. Western Union also advises you to report any incident of suspected fraud from an Internet website to the FBI Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC) at
If you have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at
Sincerely, Oswald R.
Customer Service Representative
end paste.

Western union can be contacted personally via the page link below.

WOW i just noticed peter cleaned up the primer thread but didnt delete my posts in visa help,yay i must be doing something right!lol..RE-the above matters OJAS,your going to have to bear with me as i sift through the advise and go through the posts ,ie copy to notepad and re-address under aussie flag in primer,its gonna take me days to work that out,my 'front door' referral was easy-peasy compared whats up there to soak in and understand!:)

RE-my thread http://www.delphifa..662.shtml

already some iranian has posted a useless flag emblem ,do i spam that to clean it up? cheers man:)

2008-01-27, 23:47:47   (updated: 2008-01-27, 23:56:54)
OJAS from United States  
Hi Crikey,
I do not think it was auto-sort. More likely Admin Peter has done that. He is a busy man as it is. Thanks for WU complaint info. Peter of course was going to keep your newbie information on the primer thread.

Since I do not want to clutter up the primer thread, let me take this opportunity here to thank Admin Peter for cleaning up the primer thread, makes life lot easier for newbies.

Copy, paste, post the following message in your thread.

Please hit spam button on the Iranian flag. After it disappears, please hit spam button on this request itself. Thanks.
2008-01-28, 00:53:08
Crikey from Australia  
Ok, tony got back to me,hes identified the link between my screen name here and my email addy,hopefully he can forward that onto you soon,cheers to you and tony,as well as peter for helping my thread with a kick along by sorting through some of my other linked posts re- alisha burkat.

p.s busy is a kind way of wording it,i struggle just reading the threads as there are so many,let alone admin lol!Good job Peter
2008-01-28, 12:28:13   (updated: 2008-01-28, 13:10:19)
Droog from Russian Federation  

2008-01-28, 10:51:22


May be its scammer though?

2008-01-28, 13:29:08
OJAS from United States  
Droog, Zdravsvuite!

I see a follow up post. Scammers have been known for doing such things, I will try to post such examples later.

You might have already seen my requests earlier if you find some links. One more interesting link will be Postal code Vs. Russian City name.

Since there is no general advisory African thread, if I see informative posts, I'll post in your link.

You might have seen I am also trying to contribute to a different African thread started by Crickey

Ovidyemsa Zafstra! :-)
2008-01-29, 04:32:15   (updated: 2008-01-29, 04:34:47)
Crikey from Australia  
Wether australian or not this site might be advisable to ask people to check out via the link


It will show the newbee/or person still wanting to believe in their scammer what the police know about online relationship and various other types of fraud emanating from nigeria.cheers OJAS.
2008-01-29, 11:47:48
OJAS from United States  
Thanks to Mickey from Australia for opening the subject of template photograph http://www.delphifa..=18#72696

Is a girl posing for a template photograph holding a blank paper where Hello sucker can be photoshpped?

See the pic just above similar question http://www.delphifa..p=0#72786

In another picture, http://www.delphifa..=23#72345
Look closely the bottom corners, it is a blank paper. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human to hold a paper perfectly horizontal and vertical edges, exactly parallel to the frame edge of a photograph. The top corners flop a bit due to gravity, heaving, trembling pulses of a living human. If you see a perfect rectangle and parallel edges to the frame, it is created by photo-editing. Proportions of paper size to human size, and the ratio length to width paper size is another factor.

American standard size A is 8½ X 11. To get higher sizes, double the smaller number, and invert the ratio. Thus size B is 11 X 17, C 17 X 22 D 22 X 34 E 34 X 44. To get lower sizes, halve the higher number and invert the ratio, starting with the A size. Thus AA is 5½ X 8½, AAA 4¼ X 5½

Knowing paper ratios of a country helps to determine if someone is holding a paper, or is it created by photo erasure rectangle, leaving a perfect white background plus strange aspect ratios length to width.

Another point is the chromatic difference created by scanning versus photo editing. Try this. Take what you consider to be a perfect white paper and scan it, save it as a file to a flash drive. Next, erase a small rectangular area, save and compare the files. They are not identical because the computer has created perfect white erased rectangle. If your eye-sight is better than mine, you may even be able to tell the difference of these pictures side by side which is perfect white for humans, and perfect for computers.

Before posting pictures, my recommendation is
1) First study all the pictures for that girl for static features, and compile comments on locations of moles, tattoos, body piercings, bottom ear-lobe split or fused, color of eyes, anything else that will remain the same
2) Compile dynamic features that strike you for each individual picture. Citing Eddie, married Russian girls wear ring on the right fourth finger. What kind of electrical outlet you see in the picture etc.
3) Peter (from Germany, not to be confused by newbies for Admin Peter) has written articles on the importance of observing details outside the girl
4) Skeet, drod, and others have written on feature recognition, Since I am not familiar with those, I take the easy route of ''help me with homework'' and request them to post on eye-brows, chin type, pattern of grooves from nostrils to ends of lips, color of eyes etc.
5) I also request Peter (Deutschland) for links to his articles on details to look for, beyond the girl in the picture. It is ok if some are in German, I will use a translator temporarily (although it sucks as Eddie knows!). Maybe Peter eventually gets time to compile his articles into a single post? (I mean zwei ... LOL!)
6) First add as many text comments as possible for each picture, text search is preferable to picture search. All static features need to be commented once only per girl per page. There are 15 posts per page, readers will easily look for the same static features on the same page. The one exception is when a girl undergoes plastic surgery, then for each new surgery, a new set of features, minute scars, imperfections she is trying to conceal, etc., but that is for another day.
2008-01-29, 12:42:23
Peter from Germany  
Hi folks! OJAS, what you have written about perfect white and rectangles is right. Don't know what to add. Yes, there are others like Skeet and Drod with good eyes. Can't do much more now due to my new job that takes all my energy.

Greets to Russia. I am pleased to see a russian poster here.
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