HEY GUYS SHE IS A PRO BUT I HAD FUN WITH HER AND THEN WHEN I CALLED HER OUT I NEVER HEARD FROM HER AGAIN
anonymous from San Diego, United States
The last email (10/27/07) I sent her was a 10 digit number (I used her passport number with an additional digit) she went to pick up her monwy - - - and guess what NO money, got a little even back...her is the email saying:
I could not take away money....
To me have told that money for Katja Kremtsowa is not present
Give me a copy of the document of payment. I shall give her agent.
I shall wait very much!!
From 10/22/07 pretty [email@example.com]
Unfortunately there is only one small theatre in my city and there is
nothing interesting. If I want to go to ballet, for example, I should
go to Krasnoyarsk, there sometimes can come famous Russian actors and
dancers but I can't go there often because it's quite expensive.
By, the way, one thing else about my trip. Agency will help me to rent a room
to stay near my future work. I will share this room with a few girls yet,
it is usual procedure and it helps to pay the rent (it will be cheaper).
And I have a question, is it normal if we will like each other may be it is
possible to live together?of course if you or somebody doesn't mind.
As you know I will stay there for three months but If I will like there I will be
able to prolong my trip. I think I will be able to improve my english and you can learn Russian
and I think it will help us to learn each other better,who knows.Do you have a big
wide bed?(joke). And now I have some good news for you! After sending this email I will
go home, take my packed bags and go to Krasnoyarsk! From there I will fly to Moscow! I`m
really afraid to fly on a plane! I hope my plane will not fall down! I'm really afraid!
It is several hours from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow.
When I come to Moscow and settle down I will write you an email. I
hope today I will be able to write you. Please don't worry about me
if you don't hear from me today, that will mean I was not able to
find a place to stay and I will write you tomorrow.
In Moscow I will spend a week or maybe even more, I should make all
final arrangements with my documents and after it I will come to you!
I've never been to Moscow before and I'm so nervous now... I've never
went somewhere alone and now I should go alone to such big city!
I really want to talk to you by phone, but as I don`t have a mobile
phone, I will find a public phone in Moscow with international calls.
You know... I had such great desire to start my trip already.. and now
I feel myself like a newborn kitten who has even didn't open it's
eyes... I just want to hug my mommy and don't want to go anywhere...
but I know that's my dream to start a new life and I will try to turn
in to reality! Soon you will hear some news from me from
Love and kisses! hope I'm the one for you!
I could not be kept and I send you the most sexual photos.
Excuse me for impudence... :-) These photos were made by my sister.
From 10/21/07 pretty [firstname.lastname@example.org]
I just want to add few things... I think last time I wrote you not all my thoughts... My mind is always in a mess when I write you because it's hard to write everything to somebody who is so far away. I don't remember if I wrote last time I've never been married, don't have kids but I love them and they love me! I And I want to tell you that I always wanted to find an older man.
Why? I have two answers..
Firstly, I think older men are much more serious and they can take care of me, they are more experienced in life and can teach me many things. Have you heard a saying 'The older the violin, the sweeter the music'? I believe in it... I think I'm not that young already but I don't have much experience in life and I want to have someone who has more experience in life then me.
Secondly... maybe I'm not right about it... but I want to be honest I've always had such worry... if I marry a man nearly my age...
and after some years I will become not that young and beautiful... I think it's more hard for a woman to be attractive then for a man...
and he will find a younger mistress and I will become very miserable.
I don't want my man to be unfaithful. I know I can be faithful to my man and I will never cheat on him.
But this is just my worries. This is not my goal. Please tell me if you think you will love your woman at any age and not find a younger one? Can you be faithful?
Also I want to tell you that I learned english in university, so I don`t use any translators, and I can speak english as good as I write on it.
I hope we will have no problems in communications. I feel that you are very nice man I really want to meet you. If you will not like me or something else we can be just friends.
I hope I will get my work visa soon in Moscow and all documents and I come to you! I don't have any area limits with this visa so I can work where I want. I don`t know exact day of my arrival, but as soon as I will
know I will write it to you.
And one more thing.. i'm sending you some more photo.
On one I try to blow at candles :-) (at me soon birthday)
You know, I'm just trying to be honest with you and write you all my thoughts on different issues. Please be always honest with me also....
I will write you later, I will look if I have more nice photos to sendyou.
Have a good day!
From 10/18/07 pretty [email@example.com]
Hello from PRETTY!!! It was very nice to receive a message from you!
it is my first time I try to correspondence with man in internet world.
I do hope you will be enough patient to understand my writing.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I don`t have big secrets. The thing is that I will work abroad for three months or so and I would like to meet a nice man to be my guideor just be good friend to spend time with.I think that it is hard enough to live in foreign town without friends and also I have never been abroad. I am from so small town here in Rusian Federation,I am afraid to be lost.
I want to see real life and it is impossible to see without person who knows all sides of the life. It doesn`t matter what age is he or what is his eyes color, I just want to know that he is kind and open-hearted inside.
I don't want to live in Rusian Federation because I have not any chances here,it is hardly possible to explain it by the first time but I want you to know my plans. In Ru ssia many young girls also want to start a new life abroad, so many of them used a special program 'W ork and travel' for young people who wants to work abroad. I also decided to do so and to use it. This program just helps to register documents and gives suitable work in any state(town)of USA, Canada or Europa (or other big
country) . I just need to choose.I already started to register documents and now I need to decide in which city I want to work.
I`m 26 years old and I`m not afraid of work (I shall work as the seller in shop or cafe of a fast food).
I think it is the right way for me, I am lost here, and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better place. I never been abroad so I decided to find a friend abroad and make his city to be my destination. I want to repeat the same way,it is my only chance to change my life.
I am full of plans and different dreams.
I have light brown hair and grey-blue eyes. I think I look very good, but first of all I want to be beautiful inside.
I do hope that you will be not disappointed to meet me in the real life if we will meet.
Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
I will leave my town in a few days or so (I can't tell you everything exactly right now) and I would like to be sure that I have a man who waits for me there. I will work all day and I would like to find a man to spend all free time together to get to know each other better.
if you have any interest to meet me I will be more than happy to meet you too. My be it sounds silly but I just don't want to be alone in the evenings,and I want to be sure in advance that somebody waits for me!
I think that my e-mail starts to be too long so I will tell you all details about me and my life that you would like to know in next e-mails if you will like my pictures and will want to meet me! I send my different photos.
On one I with my sister, and on others I on walk in a wood.
By the way, this firstname.lastname@example.org is my personal e-mail adress, so pls write me here ok?
With best regards Katja (this is my real name)!
From 10/12/07 pretty [email@example.com]
Hello! Please take a look at my photos! Would you like to have me as your girlfriend?
I'm 26 years old kitten looking for someone who can take care of me!
I came across your profile on OnlineBootyCall and decided to write you hoping you will find my profile interesting. I've been told many times I'm a pretty girl but I still can't find a special person and the man of my dreams! I want to find someone special to take care of him, to make passionate love with him, to walk in the moonlight... to rise our passions and emotions... I would like to look in your eyes and hold your hand.... I'm looking for understanding and careful partner...
I hope you like my photos and I will receive an answer from you today!
As soon as I receive it I will write back with more information about myself.......
Impatiently waiting for your answer!
Eddie from Sweden
God, there are some jerks on this thread!
anonymous from United States 2007-11-02, 18:28:34 ...'SHE IS A PRO'?
firstname.lastname@example.org from United States ...'Damn, this bitch'?
anonymous from Denmark ...'to fool people is in their (Russian) genes'?
why don't you morons do your homework and read a few threads instead of posting mindless crap? Almost makes me sympathise with the scammers for trying to rip you off.
Eddie from Sweden
To any newcomers who find this thread, via Google or whatever, PLEASE READ THIS!
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS AND RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal them from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to stealing them to me). Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses, and form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait. The majority of Russian scammers nowadays also use proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially when he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
So....if several or more of the following criteria apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first!
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think with your brain!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this strange because a serious girl who's looking for a partner usually saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# girl claims not to have a mobile phone. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level? + if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego or loneliness pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam. THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, that's the only thing you need to do really..
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. All of these she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries...the USA and Canada are almost as complicated. Anyway, a normal tourist visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Be realistic. In any case, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept if you insisted.
There are a few scammers that are more patient and professional, who will take months before they scam you for money (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot them anyway). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, are not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense.
But a ground rule is: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her, after all you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It worked for me.
Why don't the arseholes / assholes who keep posting nonsense first read the beginning of Eddie's post available in starting with ''If you are a newcomer ... '' just a few lines earlier? It is not complicated. If you can wipe your arse / ass without getting a shitty finger you can survive a cleaner brain after reading his post. If you can't stand a cleaner brain after reading his post I hope you wash your hands really well before you eat!
Eddie - I pick this as your latest for my next update. Since I anyway supplement with internal and external hotlinks, you might as well get rid of the bbc link in your next clean post. Apart from the inconsequential link that is not hot in your post, I really like your present clean post solely for a true newbie who hasn't been scammed, hasn't posted nonsense, say has stumbled upon delphi while googling for an unknown city in his e-mail. A good welcome for such newbies who otherwise might get confused by reading an opening remark not even aimed at them in the first place!
Eddie - I suggest you post your future newbie guide exactly like here. It opens welcoming them. I know it is hard for me also, after responding to an idiotic post, instead of sending that comment directed only at that person, I have continued in the same post some general info. But that might potentially confuse a newbie, and mistake the whole post as scammer-friendly. As much as possible I'll try to separate posts aimed at different readers by isolating what is meant only for innocent newbies. My problem is I cannot predict my temper after reading a sweeping idotic statement, or someone just having been scammed.
anonymous from United States
The Scammers do provide some interesting pics ! And their letters give another insight into our Russian neighbors (tho, a negative insight ) Ludmilla , or Boris ? did provide a picture of life / vs. the political B.S--- pushed by politics these days. Those pics generated considerable interest at my local coffee shop . And, the owners would 'consider' giving her a job, if she would wear proper attire . My shipmates would meet her at the airport ! What's a shipmate for anyway ?
Eddie from Sweden
LOL...no problem... and I agree that some of the 'material' the scammers use is extremely tasty.
The girl in these pics is called Alena Vodonaeva. She's a famous Russian sex symbol and reality star. Here's a link to her website:
This is what I have recieved from the same person as above, I have also never given out my email as it was only created the other day:
Liliya to me
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Hello, its me again!! I just wanted to tell you hi!!
I decided to send you more photos, I hope you will like it.
On first I read the book, English author Joanne Rowling - 'Harry Potter', it
was very interesting. And on another photos is me listening music and
I am at an exhibition of children's pictures. By the way my sister draws very well.
I think you are interested that I don`t have a boyfriend, because all
men here look on my appearance and I want somebody who will look inside me.
and.........one picture....sexy.... :-)
I'm not info taking naked photos!
I really apologize if you think now I'm not a good girl...
I hope you don't think so. Please let me know and
I will write you more if I'm forgiven for sending this pic!!!
I hope you will answer this email and we will try to get to know each other better!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAh!!!! I'm so ashamed to send this
P.S I would like to know more about you. Write me.
I also want to see your different photos and hope to know you better!
I will write you long e-mail about everything later!
I'm impatiently waiting for your answer!
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anonymous from Ukraine
the most curios thing that i from Ukraine .... and this girl on pics is from one TV-show called Dom-2 its mean House-2 where u shoud built a house and find a couple....this stupid asshole probably was thinking that im from USA or other country....our task its to send this information for other possibile address....for your friends.... they must that such shit exist in world wide web.