certainly wasn't me who thinks you're 'gullible and deserve to be scammed'. If you read my posts, you'll find that I slag off anyone who comes on this site and says stuff like that. They can f*** off.
And I've heard about the 'work visa scam', in fact it's quite a regular occurrence on delphifaq.
But I just have to say (pardon the hindsight) that despite that the fact that you did your HOMEWORK and you thought you'd covered all the angles, all you really needed to do was trace the scammer's IP address. There's a 100% guarantee that your scammer wasn't writing from where 'she' claimed to be, or 'she' was using a proxy server or forged IP address. Pity you didn't think of that one. :((((((
Eddie from Sweden
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread via Google etc, and ....
PLEASE READ THIS!
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS AND RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses, and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway.
IN OTHER WORDS, in most cases you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait. Furthermore, the majority of Russian scammers nowadays use proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
So....if several or more of the following criteria apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first.
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think with your brain!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this strange because a serious girl who's looking for a partner usually saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level? PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam. THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really..
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in her country and a letter from her employer. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Immigration would consider her an overstay risk and never let her in without credit. Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Furthermore, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
There are a few scammers that are more patient and professional, who will take months before they scam you for money (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot them anyway). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
But a ground rule is: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It worked for me.
anonymous from United States
She tells me her name is Elna but she is also using this address firstname.lastname@example.org. Too bad the woman is a scammer what a waste of a sexy body
anonymous from United States
I got the following email with this girl's pictures..
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:47:31 +0000
Subject: eroticy.com message for email@example.com
Hello! Please take a look at my photos! Would you like to have me as
I'm 26 years old kitten looking for someone who can take care of me!
I came across your profile on Eroticy and decided to write you hoping you will find my profile interesting. I've been told many times
I'm a pretty girl but I still can't find a special person and the man
of my dreams! I want to find someone special to take care of him, to
make passionate love with him, to walk in the moonlight... to rise our
passions and emotions... I would like to look in your eyes and hold
your hand.... I'm looking for understanding and careful partner...
I hope you like my photos and I will receive an answer from you today!
As soon as I receive it I will write back with more information about
myself....... I am from Russia, but willing to travel.
Impatiently waiting for your answer!
I am writing from my friend's email address, so
please make sure you do not reply directly to this email. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org only. If you don't use my personal addie, then i wouldn't be able to read your reply.
[hidden] from United States
Hello! This is me again!!! Sorry I didn't know what to write you lasttime I was not sure what to write because I don't have any experiencein writing to someone in internet and this is very new for me!I told my sister about you yesterday! She said I should be cautiousbecause there are a lot of crazy men in internet! I hope you are notone of them!I would be happy to talk to you by phone someday soon when I feel ready to do it!!!!!!!!!My main hobby is a practice of kundalini yoga. Kundalini Yoga concentrateson psychic centers or chakras in the body in order to generate a spiritualpower, which is known as kundalini energy (kundalini energy is asexual energy). It helps to make a sexual energy stronger and makesexual life more emotional and fulfill it with many interesting aspects...I can show you some yoga poses when I come over there, what do you think????Please tell me more about your hobbies!!!!!I don't have much free time to have many hobbies. Also I like to readbooks, listen to the music and go to the cinema sometimes. My favoriteactor is Johnny Depp and my favorite actress is Eva Green. I don'thave a favorite movie, I like all movies with my favorite actors!As I wrote you I'm 26. I don't smoke. I drink socially. I don't haveany kids although I like kids, I've been working in Children'shospital, tomorrow will be the last day of my work.I live in the city called Igarka. Igarka is a city inKrasnoyarskiy Krai, Russia.I think I didn't write you I'm a nurse. And I'm going to get a specialwork visa for nurses and come to your country and work there for atleast 6 months!!!I like my job so much!!!!! I like to help people!I'm not sure for what kind of relationship I'm looking for, I'm opento anything and I can't look in your eyes now and touch your hand,it's not easy to communicate by writing emails only! Although I feelsomething special about you. I hope so much we will meet each othernot later then in 2 weeks. Now I write to you only.All of my emails I write by myself, I'd been learning English inschool and then at the Academy (I graduated Krasnoyarsk State MedicalAcademy), I continue to teach some professional terms. Sorry I don'thave much free time last days, I'm making all arrangements of my tripand please forgive me if I can't comment everything or write all Iwant to write!!!!I guess we have time difference and I want to calculate it! Please letme know exactly the name of your city, I found a site in internetabout timezones and I will try to calculate it. As I told you my citycalled Igarka.Oh almost forgot to write you! My birthday is July 30, I'm a Leo!!!Do you believe in horoscopes?I live with my father and sister. My sister is 17, my father is 68.My mother is not alive she died from pneumonia two years ago. She was47 years old, much younger then my father.I won a trip to Egypt this summer, I took a part in the regionalcompetition (I'm not sure how to express it in English) of nurses andwon the first place!!!!! I was so happy! I didn't expect it!!!! WhileI was in Egypt I though how lucky I am and I think if I was able towon the first place maybe I can reach more in my life and I decided tofind a work in another country, more well paid then in my city... InRussia nurses earn not good money.I'm sending more pics this time! One pic is me at work plus one pic isme at the nurses competition (I'm sorry the quality is not good, I'mthe right one) and anotherpics were taken in Egypt. Almost all doctors at my work are the men,not women but I never had any close or intimate relationship with thembecause I never mix my work and my private life.I have to go now and finish to write my resume!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iwill write more later!!! I can't wait till I come to you! Mariya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. This is a copy of some part of my resume. Could you please spend 3 minutes andread it maybe you can tell me if I made any mistakes! I'm trying tolearn all professional terms but it's not that easy!!! I will be verythankful to you if you take a look at my resume! City: IgarkaState/Province: Krasnoyarskiy Krai.Zip/Postal Code: 663842Country: Russia Languages Spoken: Russian, English fluently. Country of citizenship: I am a Russian citizen Occupation: LVN/LPN Specialty: Adult, Ambulatory Care Nursing, Burn, Call Center, Cardiac Care, Charge Nurse, Chemical Dependency, Children's Care, Critical Care, Diabetes, Emergency Room, Family Medicine, Float Nurse, Gastroenterology Nursing, Head Nurse, Home Health, HomeCare, Hospice Nursing, Hospital, Intensive Care, Licensed Practical Nurse, Long Term Care, LPN/LVN, Newborn/Nursery, Outpatient, Pediatrics, Primary Care, Private Duty, Quality Assurance, Quality Assurance Nursing, Recovery, Rehabilitation Nursing, Respiratory, Skilled Nursing, Staff Development, Trauma, Urgent Care, Womans Health, Wound Care Graduation date: May 2001.Degree/Diploma Held: LPN/LVN. Krasnoyarsk State Medical Academy.Estimated start date: 2 weeks Desired Work Status: Full-Time, Permanent, Part-Time. Are you willing to relocate for right position? Yes ObjectiveSeeking an awarding position as a Licensed Practical Nurse SkillsHuman resource managementKey problem solverCounselor and source of information to personnelPayroll certification and deliveryPrepares correspondenceMaintains files and administrative recordsPerforms diagnostic testing, and clinical lab testsAdministers immunizationsEmergency Medical TechnicianPediatric Medical Assistance care Experience Pediatric intensive care nurse 1999-2001The Central Regional Hospital of Norilsk Licensed pediatric intensive care nurse 2001-2003Norilsk Regional Clinical Hospital Licensed pediatric intensive care nurse 2003-2004The Central Regional Hospital of Igarka. Licensed pediatric intensive care nurse 2004-October,2007Igarka Regional Children's Hospital
anonymous from Chile
estas mujeres son falsa.....ke penka por ke se ven tan buenas...pero nunca les mandes $$$....es un enganio....yo recivi emails de ella y despues ve en el internet y cache ke lo hacen a mucho,,,,,nos vemos flaca
anonymous from United States
she sent it to me too ,,
anonymous from South Africa
Don't worry, i've also been a victim, very tempting though, but when they do not answer your emails, somethings fishy. Elena Zeptsowa is a nurse that wnat to come to South Africa in two weeks time to come and help others.
anonymous from Malta
hi there i just received the third letter:)
im really anxious to see what she ll sat now
. . .man im having fun here
but this fun im having is cause of this site man , thanks and keep up the good work
but how can anyone fall into this ?, you know the e mails(from the 1st one)are so F***ing beautiful to be true . . . come on do you think ite that easy?
im a professional club DJ for the last 16 years mate and the opprtunities to pull girls are immense but still not this easy mate. . .
but 10 points for the scammers mate cause they re good ta
p.s. but im still holding the nude pic he/she sent mate:)
let her ash for the money mate. . .thats were the real fun begins mate:)
anonymous from Malta
first i received a mail from this address:
Ksyushenka <email@example.com>, then i replied:) and received from this address:
Ekaterina Koryukowa <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
im sending this cause i thought you could use the info
anyway he/she/it 'is in' Moscow and it s the 2nd day of no e mails since he/she/it 'left' hometown
(man this is fun ta its better than a frigging movie) Lol
so now im anxious to see how the script is gonna go eh
anyway ill keep posting as progress goes by
Yes this is hilarious! :-D
First contacted me on 2007-11-15.
Now up to the email where she's at the theatre in Moscow.
He/she/it is going by the name of 'Yana Tsygantsova', email address email@example.com.
Yes this is Bojan :-D
First contacted me on 2007-11-10.
Now up to the email where she's at the theatre in Moscow.
He/she/it is going by the name of 'Elena Zemstova', email address
anonymous from Louisville, United States
Got the 10th email... where 'she' is in Moscow and has her flight booked to my city.... and thats where she asked for money.
I had done a few searches prior but didn't find anything until this site and this email. Kudos for everyone else posting this.
Oh, and the name she's using is Mariya Soworowa, again from Igarka.
Good thing I'm flat ass broke and couldn't send money even if I wanted to!
anonymous from United States
Thank you for this great information, so much wasted beuty and no brains
this has been a confirmation to her cold hart.
anonymous from Sweden
Welcome to anonymous United States and any other newcomers who find this thread, PLEASE READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are NOT women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. They use multiple identities and it's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ). In the other words, the girls are also victims!!
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!