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Name: Natalya Solce


Email: natalyasolce@rambler.ru


Address:
Kokshaisk, Russia



Other Comments:
The addy is also used by Nadezhda Vasileva (Moscow)

Introduction:
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Good afternoon my new friend! My name is Natalya. To me of 28 years. I serious, fair, arrogant, perspective but not looking at it the cheerful and cheerful girl. I possess knowledge of several foreign languages. I do not love lie and a deceit. I do not play on any feelings and I would not want that played on mine! I search for exclusively serious attitudes. I wish to find the greater and pure love instead of short-term correspondence. My friend if I have really interested you also you would be not against with me to communicate that write on my mail box natalyasolce@rambler.ru. With impatience I shall wait for your letter.

Letter 1
Hi my new friend. I am glad that you have paid attention to my
announcement on the Internet. I am really very glad to the beginning
of our dialogue.
As you already know I live in Russia. In a silent, picturesque, fine
place under name Kokshaisk. It is present paradise for people which
really love a life and love all beautiful! To us come to take pleasure
in pure air and the magnificent nature people from all Russia!
I the girl which am quite happy with a life but which does not suffice
the present pure love! And for this reason I also have submitted the
announcement on the Internet... Because in Russia such love simply not
to find! I since the childhood dreamt of the prince on a white game.
And even tried to find it here... But my diligence success have not
crowned. And here I also have tried to find the prince abroad. And who
can assume... Can it there are you?
As my friends I 'the walking encyclopaedia' speak about me! This trope
is final! They speak it because I always know all! And besides I know
English! And consequently to me often address for council... Still my
girlfriend speaks that I the outstanding person! Because at me always
good mood also that I can always lift it that at whom it was not
present! I very much love the friends and very much I value them. I in
general value any relations! Two girls enter into a circle of my
friends. We is constant together! We together went to school, at
institute, and even we work now together! But unlike them I have not
found till now the love. And they already married also are quite
happy! And I even envy them a little... But exclusively white envy!
I live one. I the daddy with mum live very far from me! But I have big
and very fluffy cat! His name is Butcefal. Yes, yes, it is direct as
well as horse at Alexander! It though also very big but to it only 3
months! It such prankish! It more than once dropped my flowers
standing on a window sill, dropped curtains and all my books on a
regiment! But I all the same very much love it and I can not become
angry about it! And you have a pet? If there is that tell to me about
it and show its photo? Well?
I very much would want that ours with you dialogue was successful, and
the main thing fair! I do not love when me deceive and consequently I
never deceive nobody. On it I finish the letter and with impatience I
will look forward to hearing from you.
With the best regards yours Natalya.

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role: Network Operation Center CJSC ER-Telecom Company Mari El branch
address: 12, Lenina st., 424000, Yoshkar-Ola, Russia
phone: +7 8362 210035
fax-no: +7 8362 210035
e-mail: noc@yola.ertelecom.ru


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2007-12-12, 10:35:45
Oxana from Germany  
Unbelievable! I had written for onderwerp 'Dirk from the Netherlands' in my mail and he still continues. Is it a question of honor now for him not to give up?
2007-12-12, 12:05:04
Eddie from Sweden  
Yes, my friend the Dagger is a quick learner. It's not that long ago he was a newbie himself. Thank God to have someone here with his mud'a!
2007-12-12, 16:38:13
Oxana from Germany  
I'd really like to get known to this smart guy but I guess I can't afford the airfare. What to do?
2007-12-12, 23:24:13
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
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Datum: 12/12/07 18:12:28
Aan: Dirk van Dellen
Onderwerp: Hello my love


Hi the darling. I was glad to speak again today with you in msn. And
it is very a pity to me that you do not trust me. I simply wished to
love and be favourite. Also wished to be near to you. And all! More I
did not want anything! Also believe that I really love you and at me
in a head should uniform thought deceive you. Any! Believe to me! And
for me was a deep shock to hear from you that that you consider me as
the deceiver and that money for the ticket did not transfer to me. For
me it was a shock. And I trusted you. Trusted in that that you trust
me! Trusted in that that you really would do all what to see me
nearby. Trusted in that that you love me! Conducts all of you it spoke
to me!!! But there was all not so. And most painfully to realise that
that you do not love me! You it have told. It is the most sick.
Believe... I all night long did not sleep yesterday. Did not sleep
from for this only. For what to me all also thought it? What I such
have made that with me so arrive??? Also cried. Cried from that that I
do not have simple female happiness! And the female happiness it to
love and be favourite! Here it is all turns at me in a head and till
now. And I do not know what to do. But I it have told all to you. Also
I think you me will understand. I love you and with impatience I wait
for your following letter.

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2007-12-13, 01:22:14
Fast from United States  
Simply Incredible! Thay are nothing if they aren't persistant. Must be powered by the energizer bunny! Dirk, will you go through with it if she gets a legit Visa? No telling what they are up to in the name of revenge. Watch you step....but you are 'da MAN and I don't need to tell you that! I really didn't think you would ever hear from them again. If they have half a brain they will quit and cut their losses of humiliation.
2007-12-13, 01:57:48
Eddie from Sweden  
Below is an article about Yoshkar Ola scammers, found on the Russian internet. The article was obviously in Russian, sorry for the somewhat lousy translation.

Article:

'to do Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V'. -- the most popular joke in the recently held Yoshkar Ola comedy stage show. This year, jokes about scammers are very popular. Students are drumming and singing about the boy who loved money very much, and another boy marches across the scene with a poster 'I love Western Union'. The audience laughs hard, everybody understands. Because for the Yoshkar Ola students the question 'what does scammer mean' is not an issue, everyone is familiar with it, everyone knows what it means.

'Hello, my name Elena. I read about you in your profile. You are very interesting to me. I want to get aquainted with you. Write me, I shall wait'. All customers of the English dating sites periodically get such messages. And very soon any interested American, Canadian, British or a citizen of any other country learns that far away, in a Russian suburb lives Lena, who has dreamt about him all her life. Then our 'prince on the white horse' learns that it is love, and it was sent to him by God. And maybe (why not believe in destiny?) a gullible foreigner will send to a Russian princess a couple of thousand dollars or a ticket to be with him the rest of their lives together. In the end, he will learn that the girl 'Lena' is actually a 'fat Boris', but chances are, he will still hate the heartless Russian women.

You will not find any modern Russian dictionary giving the explanation of the word 'scammer', except for maybe English-Russian dictionary. In English, the word 'scam' means fraud, but in Russian it has a narrower meaning: the fraud on the Internet dating websites. A scammer, respectively, is the same 'fat Boris' who pretends to be a girl, starts an Internet romance, and then requests money. The scamming in Russian has another, more colorful and patriotic name: 'to take the rich'. Indeed, why not 'take the rich', make them share their money. This even sounds like a fair deal, the weak takes from strong, the poor from the rich. This should calm the conscience of scammers, as we were told, they don't sleep well.

From all types of online fraud, scamming stands out because it is the easiest one to put on the conveyor. It is the real production process, where everything is divided into stages. To minimize the time and effort, the whole process has been systemized a long time ago. In the early stages, thinking is not necessary, you simply need to work hard. Usually, the scammer receives his first money after two months, this time frame should allow acquaintance, friendship, love and the desire to meet in person, unfortunately unrealistic. After establishing another faceless mailbox like 'ElenochkaForYou@....' or 'Natasha547@....' and registering on the dating sites, starts the most boring part for scammers - 'zakidka'. This is exactly what the above-mentioned comedy show meant by 'to do Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V'.

On the dating sites scammers start by looking for suitable candidates to scam. First, they select the country (usually USA), then the region or state, and make sure they don't interfere with a colleague, so they don't pick the same victims. The main parameters: male; between the ages of 27 to 50 years; race - all, except blacks (the scammers say that blacks will most likely take you, instead of you taking them). All letters, including the first introductory ones, are pre-written a long time ago, and you don't have to think about anything, just: 'Ctrl-C' (copy), 'Ctrl-V' (insert), and the letters are sent. 'After the overnight monotony work doing Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, you become totally dumb and tired' - Andrei, who will soon have to do it for several nights in a row, shares his story, 'this is the most boring work, the most interesting part comes later'.

But the truth is, the further it goes, more sad it gets. With each new template and each new photo it involves you more and more. After the fourth template 'half of the rich' are gone: some don't like the girl, some are not looking for anything serious, but most are simply afraid to deal with Russia. In the end, the most desperate and naive remain. Or maybe it is more pleasant to say 'stupid'? Stupid and rich - this way you don't feel pity for them. 'I simply don't get it, how can they meet somebody on the Internet and accept anything?', says Andrei, although he's been scamming for more than a year, he still doesn't understand it.

Those few foreigners who really want to find their love online, learn that they have found it in the approximately seventh letter, although they themselves are really the ones who have been found by the scammers. Scammers proclaim their love, and do it naturally and fast (because their conveyor cannot wait). Next, depending on the reaction, 'the girl' immediately or little bit later requests money for a visa, tickets, or both.

'Sure, I feel sorry for them', says Andrei, but refuses to talk more on the subject.
'This month I earned 15 thousand rubles, and two months ago only four' - Kolya believes that scamming is a real job, and for the provincial student it is a large amount of money. His office pays scammers 20% of received money, in many other offices they pay only 15%. 'We used to have a guy in our office, to whom one American during three months sent more than twelve thousand dollars'. According to Kolya, how much you earn, depends half on hard work and half on luck. But not everyone can force the American lover to send more and more - you need a good imagination. You have to invent reasons why his sweetheart cannot fly to him: she's been robbed in the subway, her mother is sick, she has been accused of withholding taxes and put in prison, and he has to send money for bail. 'Very popular is a story that she accidentally broke the expensive antique vase in a museum and should pay back 3000$', laughs
Nikolai.

Just like love, the desire to send more and more money has to be developed. To begin with, a foreigner is asked to send only $300 for visa. If he sends it, later it will be harder for him to reject the idea that his princess will fly to him, but will be much easier to send more money, because the barrier of mistrust has been broken already. Next, the amount of $1,400 for a ticket. The development of events is determined by a scammer's skills in brainwashing. There are many half-myths which circulate among scammers, how someone took one American for 40 thousand dollars in one month, that another American robbed his own company to get the money, and a really crazy one got heavily in debt, got fired from work, refinanced his house and sold his kidney for the non-existent sweetheart. Indeed some people still have faith in 'the humble Russian girl Lena', which turns into an obsession, and they are ready to go bankrupt for her: this is a big luck for scammers and they live off it.

Who is this femme fatale? The whole point is that this girl does not exist, she is created by the joint efforts of a scammer and a victim who sets the direction. While similarities do exist: she is usually between 25 and 30 years old, beautiful and smart, looking for a serious relationship. Men from Russia don't suit her because they are rude and drink too much. She believes in God and loves the most popular movies and music, uses a dating site for the first time, and always uses the Internet cafes. 'It is very important that the girl looks natural, so they believe in it. Not a supermodel, but good-looking', explains Kolya. Almost all photos are stolen from the Internet, so the real girls are completely unaware that they are indirectly helping to scam foreigners. The site womenrussia.com has a big collection of Russian women gathered from scammed men from all over the world, the so-called 'black list'. Sometimes there might be a very unexpected picture. A real girl called Elvira accidentally discovered her photographs and personal details there: 'one friend of mine wanted to prove to me how much scamming is developed in Russia, and entered my data, it turned out that I was on all scamlists for a long time'. Most photos are simply stolen by scammers from the girls' personal pages and blogs, and if you check, the 'black lists' are also full with pictures of Alsu, Valeria and many other Russian celebrities.

According to the old-time scammers there are almost 300 offices in Yoshkar Ola (other estimates give the number of 500). Each office has five working scammers, and there are also girls who pick up money. Of course, there are no statistics, and the situation is estimated by eye, but if it is true, every 100th resident of Yoshkar Ola is a scammer. And if we take into account that almost all scammers are students, and usually guys rather than girls, the typical scammer is easy recognizable. In Yoshkar Ola, the capital of Mari El and concurrently 'the capital of Russian scammers', all scammers recognize each other. 'Yes, it is true, our city is the capital of scammers', Andrei says with some pride, he recently got a transfer of $1,000, and is in a good mood today, 'other cities have some scammers too, but we have more. There are so many scammers in our city that is almost a legitimate business.'

'I will rent my apartment to scammers', says the elderly lady Olga Mihailovna, housewife, 'they are nice guys and always pay good rent'. 'In the office where I used to work, if we earned 20,000 dollars per month, the owners would pay us bonus, but some offices may earn 30,000 dollars or more per month' says Andrei. Good office earns about 15,000 dollars per month. Accordingly, the annual income of an office is about 200,000 dollars. And if it is true that Yoshkar Ola has 300 offices the annual income of Yoshkar Ola is sixty million dollars.

Nevertheless, scamming never became the official national business of Yoshkar Ola. The authorities recently closed several offices: they turned off the lights in the entire house, and when scammers got out to see what's going on (they need electricity to work!), cops broke into the apartments, arrested everybody and sealed the apartments. After that, the city became quiet for some time. Sure, during this period of time many foreigners wondered why their 'love' doesn't write to them. But just two weeks later everybody returned back to their offices. There is enough work for both: scammers scamming, and law enforcement agencies catching them red handed from time to time.
2007-12-13, 06:30:04
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Thank you, Eddie. I tried to post some links to mobile phones in Russia, but 'lost' contact to Delfi. I will post them later on. Natalya is online right now.

Fast,
Good question! Let me tell you this. Straight from the heart. I baited quite a few of them, always using my real name and addy. This one is unusual. Natalya wants to convince me that she is real (we are chatting right now). It is very intens, very personal. And I consider this scam very dangerous. I wonder how many men fell for this MSN-routine! Will I go through with it, you ask? No, can't afford it. Don't have the 800 and the rest that is needed to get that pretty thing here. I go for Oksana, if she wants it. She's nearby. And... She has a legit visa!
2007-12-13, 07:04:07
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
2007-12-13, 09:50:12
Eddie from Sweden  
The , Dagger

I could have given you some free info about cellphones in Russia.

They ALWAYS start with a 9 and have ten digits, no matter where they are in Russia. The first three digits after that is the federal code. Add to that James Bond 007 at the start, the international code for Russia.

thus a typical Russian cell number looks something like this:
+7 916 303 9612

As you know my fiancée is Russian and I'm in daily contact with her)...her cellphone number is 927 XXX XXXX, (Ulyanovsk area) her mom's number is 927 XXX XXXX (same area), her brother's number is 902 XXX XXXX (Yekaterinburg I think), and my Russian ex-girlfriend's number was 917 XXX XXXX (Sterlitamak in Bashkortostan).
2007-12-13, 10:16:04
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Why is Natalya blacklisted all over the world?

This chat is partly in Russian. It is friendly smalltalk. Towards the end Natalya asks me to help her. I agreed. One condition: play it by the book. No fake visa! She agreed on it. Let's see what happens next...

Natalya zegt:
Hello
Dirk zegt:
Hi
Natalya zegt:
How are you doing?
Dirk zegt:
Not that good, but okay
Natalya zegt:
You read my letter?
Dirk zegt:
Yes, I read it. Very emotional! This whole thing is very emotional!!!! Do you want me to anwer the letter?
Natalya zegt:
yes
Dirk zegt:
But what do you want me to write in it? We talked about it already!
Natalya zegt:
Well if you consider that to you nothing me to tell in the letter then can not write...
Dirk zegt:
I can write you a letter. But, you already know what it says. And.... We are talking now. So, what do you want me to say?
Natalya zegt:
That I wish to hear that you will not tell to me.
Dirk zegt:
I do not understand. You want me to tell you, that I do not tell you????
Natalya zegt:
I speak that that that I wish to hear from you you to me will not tell!
Dirk zegt:
What do you mean? 'Not tell'?
Natalya zegt:
Anything. We will change the subject.
Dirk zegt:
Okay. What do you want to talk about? I am very interested in Yoshkar-Ola. Tell me about it
Natalya zegt:
It not the big beautiful city. In which it is a lot of trees and bushes.
Dirk zegt:
Yes, I saw one tree. With you in bikini! Silly girl
Dirk zegt:
Natalya? Are we still talking?
Natalya zegt:
Why you name me again silly???
Dirk zegt:
Because I always have to smile when I look at that picture. I don't mean any offence when I say 'silly girl'. Do we have a languageproblem here?
Natalya zegt:
Yes you are right. I do not know colloquial English language. I know only English language on grammar. As me learnt at school and institute.
Dirk zegt:
So it is difficult to make jokes. You are offended everytime I make a joke. This is interesting, though! How do you think you can live in The Netherlands. You have trouble with English. And you don't speak a word of Dutch. This is a very interesting subject to talk about
Natalya zegt:
If I live at you that I can quickly learn English language.
Dirk zegt:
That does not help you. You will have to go to school. Learn Dutch
Natalya zegt:
No! I can learn this language simply communicating with people.
Dirk zegt:
Denk je dat nou echt?
Dirk zegt:
Natalya? I waited ten minutes now. Why don't you answer me?
Natalya zegt:
Because I in every possible way tried to translate that that you have written to me.
Dirk zegt:
That was Dutch. What translator do you use? Babelfish?
Natalya zegt:
No. I tried to translate it.
Dirk zegt:
Yes, I know. With a book? You have a translator in your computer. Which one?
Natalya zegt:
No! I! Without the aid of the translator!!
Dirk zegt:
How do you translate it? You are The Walking Encyclopedia!
Natalya zegt:
Yes yes yes
Dirk zegt:
But you can't translate the Dutch sentence? It's difficult, I know.
Natalya zegt:
I know German language a little. And the Netherlands language is a little similar to German.
Dirk zegt:
Yes... But... It is difficult. Most Dutchmen don't know how to speak their language properly. We have many dialects. By the way... That Dutch sentence means... Вы действительно думаете это?
Natalya zegt:
All the same Russian is more difficult. Russian almost the most difficult!
Dirk zegt:
Can be. But I use a translator. And you won't come anywhere when you speak Russian in The Netherlands
Natalya zegt:
yes
Dirk zegt:
We agree once again! Let's talk about Yoshkar-Ola and its people. I am very, very interested
Dirk zegt:
Natalya? What are you doing? Why do I have to wait so long to get an answer?
Natalya zegt:
What exactly do you wish to know about Yoshkar-Ola???
Dirk zegt:
Everything!
Natalya zegt:
And is more detailed
Dirk zegt:
You know that I know a lot about the problem in Yoshkar-Ola: internet fraud. I want to talk about it with you.
Dirk zegt:
В дружественной манере, я подразумеваю.
Natalya zegt:
No!!!!
Dirk zegt:
Why not? You know about it. And I am interested.
Natalya zegt:
Yes. About it knows all city. And swindlers catch.
Dirk zegt:
And swindlers catch?
Dirk zegt:
Are you afraid?
Natalya zegt:
WHAT????? Why I should be afraid???? I not the swindler!!! You again start me to offend!!!
Dirk zegt:
No, I do not offend you. I just want to talk about it. Men like me, who are looking for a Russian partner, do not trust Yoshkar-Ola. Understand?
Natalya zegt:
BUT SAME DOES NOT MEAN THAT IN YOSHKAR-OLA ALL SWINDLERS!!!!!!
Dirk zegt:
Agree!!! 100%!!! There are more sincere people than swindlers in your city!!! But, do you understand that it is hard for us to trust anybody? Again... В дружественной манере, я подразумеваю
Natalya zegt:
Well it is final! And why then we trust you????
Dirk zegt:
Agree!!! That is what I said to you. You don't know me. I can be a very nasty person. I am not, but you never know. And... It is a fact: Yoshkar-Ola has a reputation! It's a pity for all the sincere girls that live there
Natalya zegt:
Well thanks....
Dirk zegt:
For what? For calling you a sincere girl?
Natalya zegt:
Here you communicate with me every day direct dialogue through msn. And you do not trust that I do not say lies to you??? You think that I the swindler???
Dirk zegt:
You still do not understand what I mean! I say it in Russian. Maybe that helps: Я не забочусь, являетесь ли Вы жулик или нет. Я люблю говорить с Вами. Но Вы должны понять меня. Есть большой обман в Yoshkar-Ola.
Natalya zegt:
And I thought that you trust me.
Dirk zegt:
I did not say that I do not trust you.
Natalya zegt:
But you named me the deceiver. That basically one and too.
Dirk zegt:
You are referring to a talk we had two days ago. I did not say that now!
Natalya zegt:
well
Dirk zegt:
Okay, You don't want to talk about it. I understand. Another subject. You will like this. Mobile phones in Russia.
Natalya zegt:
yes
Dirk zegt:
You told me that those things are expensive. I looked it up in the Internet. Russia seems to be a growing market. Nokia gives the phones for free, as I understand it. Did you get my number?
Natalya zegt:
What??? I have not understood you a little! Nokia gives phones free of charge???
Dirk zegt:
That is what I read somewhere. What I meant was, that everybody in Russia has one now. But it is still expensive to call abroad. Do you know Skipe?
Natalya zegt:
What? I have not understood you!
Dirk zegt:
Вы знаете Skipe? Это - система как телефон. Вы можете позвонить целому миру бесплатно. Я имею это.
Natalya zegt:
There is no I do not know it

Dirk zegt:
Look it up. It's free. And I want to talk to you
Natalya zegt:
Well. I will search for it.
Dirk zegt:
Good girl
Natalya zegt:
Good boy
Dirk zegt:
See? We like eachother
Natalya zegt:
Excuse?
Dirk zegt:
Don'tyou like me?
Natalya zoekt naar:
You like me!
Zoekresultaten Search:
No-angel-like-me, overview - Hyves.net - http://no-angel-lik..hyves.nl/
www.fm-r.nl http://www.fm-r.nl/
Skyrocket.be http://www.skyrocket.be/
Meer zoekresultaten ...
Dirk zegt:
Yes, of course I do. I see that you are searching for Skipe. Skyrocket is not the right thing
Natalya zegt:
To you have returned money moneygram???
Dirk zegt:
Yes. No problem.
Natalya zegt:
Or you and with it have deceived me?
Dirk zegt:
How could I????
Natalya zegt:
I you should ask it!
Dirk zegt:
?
Natalya zegt:
!
Dirk zegt:
Okay, okay. Want to quarrel?
Natalya zegt:
no
Dirk zegt:
See? You like me
Natalya zegt:
yes yes yes
Dirk zegt:
Good girl
Natalya zegt:
well well well
Dirk zegt:
Мы можем говорить на русском языке, если Вы любите
Natalya zegt:
Давайте говорить на русском
Dirk zegt:
Мы уже говорим на русском языке. О чем Вы хотите говорить?
Оправдание. Теперь Вы должны ждать. Я должен перевести это.
Natalya zegt:
Хорошо. Я буду ждать вас немного.
Dirk zegt:
Никакая проблема.
Natalya zegt:
вы работаете сегодня?
Dirk zegt:
Отрицательный. Завтра утром в 05.00. Вы встанете с кровати к тому времени, когда я начинаю работать.
Natalya zegt:
Нет. В это время я буду еще спать
Dirk zegt:
Вы спите в 07.00? Вы не должны пойти, чтобы работать?
Natalya zegt:
Моя работа начинается в 8:30 утра.
Dirk zegt:
Вы должны быть 07.00! Ленивая девочка!
Natalya zegt:
Почему это???
Dirk zegt:
Хорошо, я начинаю в 05.00. Таким образом я должен встать в 03.00. Ненавидьте это! И Вы должны начать в 08.30. Таким образом Вы должны встать в 07.00. Или Вы спите на работе?
Natalya zegt:
Нет! Я встаю в 7:30 и все прекрасно успеваю
Dirk zegt:
Ваша работа является соседней ваш дом. Я должен вести 25 километров
Natalya zegt:
Нет. Мое место работы расположено в 10 минутах езды на автобусе.
Dirk zegt:
Возможно я заставлю Вас работать завтра.
Natalya zegt:
Что это значит7
Dirk zegt:
Жалость. Я буду на линии 15 завтра
Natalya zegt:
Я вас не поняла
Dirk zegt:
Переводчик не мог перевести то, что Вы сказали. Вы говорите диалект? Я только ответил на это
Natalya zegt:
понятно
Dirk zegt:
Я люблю это. Теперь я имею то же самое препятствие, которое Вы имеете. Я должен перевести ваши ответы. И затем мой. Это забавно.
Natalya zegt:
вы так считаете?
Dirk zegt:
Да, это забавно. Вы не думаете так?
Natalya zegt:
Но во всяком случае это легче для меня
Dirk zegt:
Да, это. И более трудный для меня. Я не возражаю. Я люблю это. Возможно я буду учиться говорить на русском языке. Переводчик, кажется, работает. Таким образом мы можем продолжить говорить на русском языке, если это более удобно для Вас
Natalya zegt:
да. Это удобно для меня. Что думает ваша мама обо мне?
Dirk zegt:
Она улыбнулась, когда она видела картину Вас в дереве. Вы забавны!
Natalya zegt:
А что она говорила про меня?
Dirk zegt:
Она любит Вас.
Natalya zegt:
И на тоже считает меня обманщиком как и вы?
Dirk zegt:
Нет, моя мать не говорила это. Она сказала: Сын, быть carefull. Именно это говорят все матери. Как о вашей матери. Она предупреждала Вас?
Natalya zegt:
Я уже говорила вам про своих родителей
Dirk zegt:
Позвольте мне предполагать. Они сказали: Дочь, быть осторожным. Вы не знаете этого человека. Он мог быть убийцей!
Natalya zegt:
Нет
Dirk zegt:
Они не говорили это? Что они говорили?
Natalya zegt:
Вы вообще не читаете мои письма?
Dirk zegt:
Да, я действительно читаю ваши письма. Вы сказали, что Вы живете один. Вы не говорили очень о вашей семье
Natalya zegt:
Я говорила что они живут далеко от меня!!!!
Dirk zegt:
Где они живут? Что они говорили Вам? Обо мне
Natalya zegt:
Давайте не будем б этом. Хорошо?
Dirk zegt:
Вы не хотите говорить об этом? Вы имеете проблемы?
Natalya zegt:
Никаких проблем. просто не хочу говорить об этом и все
Dirk zegt:
Хорошо. Понять.
Natalya zegt:
так что вы можете сказать насчет нашей встречи? Я думала мы встретим рождество вместе?
Dirk zegt:
Это было бы большим! Я подразумеваю это! Но, Вы не можете оставить Россию со подделанной визой. Хорошо, возможно Вы можете уехать. Но голландские власти пошлют Вам назад немедленно. Если Вы действительно хотите это, то я помогу Вам. Играйте это в соответствии с книгой. И мы встретимся!
Natalya zegt:
Хорошо. Помогите мне
Dirk zegt:
Я буду. Посольство нуждается в infomation от меня. Просите визу. Я дам информацию. Я напишу Вам письмо. Вы будете нуждаться в этом для заявления.
Natalya zegt:
Хорошо. Сделаем именно так
Natalya zegt:
Извините но мне уже пора идти домой. Давайте встретимся завтра в msn днем. Хорошо? Я буду ждать вас.
Dirk zegt:
Да, мы будем
2007-12-13, 10:34:32
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Sorry Eddie. Saw your comment too late. Why I posted those links? To undermine Natalya's remark that cell phones are expensive in Russia (400 - 500 USD, she said). The actual calls abroad are expensive. That is correct. But those little machines are not. As you know... You have to figure them out. I found the photo-/videofunction sooner than the phonefunction (LOL). Do you know Skype? It's free.
2007-12-13, 11:41:52
Eddie from Sweden  
Dirk, I see what you mean.

When I was there in 2006 I noticed that the same model that I own, a Samsung which had cost me 4000+ SEK...+ £600... 6 months earlier was about a third of the price in Russia (new). And any cheaper models of Nokia, for example, were really not at all expensive by our standards, ... a Megafon telephone card is dirt cheap (again by our standards). The reason is partly that Russian taxes are quite low.

But if you're only earning $200 a month, one might see things in a different light.

So in a way, 'Natalya' is right, mobile phones are still quite a luxury in Russia, at least in provincial towns, but I can tell you every girl has one - even if it's only second-hand.

You can quote me on that.

PS..Dirk, he's reeling you in with the sincere approach. Don't fall for it.

See if he'll chat on webcam with you -- if you offer to buy him a webcam and send it to his/her address (not that expensive by registered package...will take just over a week to get there...although it's Xmas time so it's bad timing).

A real girl would be quite happy to chat with a webcam if she has one. And very easy to install in an internet café. I saw it done myself in an internet café last year...girl came in with her own webcam, the internet guy installed it and she chatted happily for an hour sitting at the next computer.
2007-12-13, 15:01:11
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Eddie,

Thanks again. I'll be careful. It's the unusual character of this whole thing... It makes you doubt. Well, at least Nathalya doesn't deny that the visa is fake.

Webcam? Good idea.
2007-12-13, 15:33:20
OJAS from United States  
Eddie ''if you're only earning $200 a month''
You buy certain electronic equipment once in a few years
How do the prices of TV and mobile phone compare for someone with that income?
2007-12-13, 16:08:34
Peter from Germany  
@ Dirk
Not sure I got eveything. Am back in life and tried your beer for the first time. If you want Oxana: No problem (not the real one). Got the whole comp full with her pics. You can get her (not her real) account as well.
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