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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2008-02-24, 19:09:17
anonymous from United States  
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Annette, It would appear that you are being scammed big time, but there are a few things you can do to verify. Go to the intro for people new to this site. There you will find directions to trace the IP address of the email this person is sending to you. Also, at the bottom of this page, there is a 'Picture Search' (in red) - check to see if any of the pictures you have received from this guy show up on this site.

2008-02-25, 22:38:28
anonymous  
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Be ware of this scammer! In her second letter I received this. Check this out.

'Hello Dearest,
How are you today i hope you are doing well,i am more
than happy
to read from you this day,like i told you before in my
previous mail my name is nissy amedi from Ivory Coast in West Africa,I am 23 years old 5.3ft
tall, Fair in complexion,i am single and
presently i am residing in the refugee camp here in
Dakar as a result of the civil war that was fought in
my country.My late father Dr Federick Amedi was the
managing director of Fred cocoa and Associates (Ltd)
and he was the personal adviser to the former head of
state (Late Dr Robert Guei) before the rebels attacked
our house one early morning and killed my mother and
my father in cold blood.It was only me that is alive
now and I managed to make my way to a near by country
Senegal where i am leaving now.I would like to know
more about you.Your likes and dislikes,your hobbies
and what you are doing presently.I will tell you more
about myself in my next mail.
Attached here is my picture
Hoping to hear from you soonest.
Nissy


2008-02-26, 18:08:59
edcannady@earthlink.net from Los Angeles, United States  
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Hopefully this will help someone who has been scammed!
Good day.
We are glad to inform you, that in the Russian security services have made a decision on creation of division.
Division RK.Qualified employees FSB. (security service of the country) have entered into a basis of employees.
Under the order of the president of Russian Federation V.V. P u t i n: has decided: to create and provide financing
division RK. For finding-out, revealing d a t i n g s c a m m e r s: in territory RF. The problem of disclosing and
revealing of swindlers in Internet, becomes complicated absence of the dissatisfied party. Since 2000 in Russia
it is fixed more than 3000 cases of swindle by the Russian, criminal groups. But only a little they them have been
opened. And only for the reason, that the deceived men had shame to arrive to Russia on litigation.
And for this reason division RK is created. For the prevention of a deceit. For aintenance of the present
acquaintance and correspondence. The purpose of our work is check of databases. In division RK one of the best
experts in the field of Internet work. The whole staff of employees to work on processing of the information which
we every day receive.
Why we have addressed to you. In the first we have obtained your data from lists on dating site. If you now
have correspondence in one or several women from Russia we can help you. We know, that 80 % of Russian
and Ukrainian women ask the financial help. Not to the bill of exchange your money in empty. Be convinced,
that your girl is real and only then trust her and if there will be a desire, help. We wish to protect you from waste
of your money. And so how. You send us:
- e-mail your girl;
- her full name;
- City.
- your name and e-mail. (for a feedback with you.)
Do not overload us with the information. Observe accuracy in registration of your application.
We process received information in current of 5 working days. And after that you receive the full information,
concerning your woman. You do not need to pay that, we do not collect money. We perform our work on the basis
of the decree of the government. Even if you have correspondence with many women can give them on our check.
It for maintenance of your safety. And an obstacle of undermining of authority of our country in a world level.
Center of the Safety closely cooperates with an information server Google.com
Data for processing by our Center of the Safety.
Send on E-Mail:
podrazdelenierk@gmail.com
centerscaminfo@gmail.com
____________________________
With the best regards to you:
Russia. Moscow.
Petrovsaya St, 19-b/z 48. k23A
Major FSB. chief of division RK.
Mr. Belov K.I.
2008-02-26, 19:35:01
anonymous from United States  
natasha has new name is karina,she started emailing me a week ago,saying what i just read on this website. she is hot but knew it was a scam from the beginning.is the girl in the photo really the one doing this or is it some guy.im on my forth email right know,she hasnt asked me for money yet.im just having fun with her.
2008-02-29, 14:17:33
anonymous from Mexico  
Hi:

Thanks for the advice. I know now more about scamers. They just started sending some letters and pics, and have sent some mines but no money. I'llbe preoared when they communicate again.

Thanks

S
2008-02-29, 18:22:14
[hidden] from United States  
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jessica elizabeth jones

jessicaluv21@yahoo.com

TOTAL SCAM

says she is a clothes designer from agoura hills, ca. working in nigeria..
was robed :0 now needs $ 9000 to complete work or looses $22,000 already invested

here are the people she works with

Name of Hotel: Extanza Royal Hotel
Address: 12 clem Road
City: Ikeja
State:Lagos
Country:Nigeria
Zipcode:23401
Hotel Manager Name: Emmanuel Moore
Room number:107b
Hotel manager phone number: 011234-7036386144

I work under this company here in Nigeria as there designer
Name of Company : Tifany aloa
Address: 44 awolow road
City: Ikeja
State:Lagos
Country:Nigeria
Zipcode:23401
Company Manager Name: Janny Moremi
Phone number-01-7258613

i traced thi ip 98.136.44.48
adress to
701 first ave
sunnyvale ca. 94089
us




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2008-03-01, 00:01:34   (updated: 2008-03-01, 00:14:48)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
How to trace an IP-Address:

http://www.wikihow...P-Address


How to find the Header:

http://spamcop.net/..e/19.html

2008-03-01, 14:20:39
anonymous from Ireland  
I came accross another one called Nadezhda from Ulyanovsk. 'She' claims to be a manager in a construction firm, her mother is a doctor and her father an engineer in a bread factory. I had the exact same words when she spoke about 'monokini'.
2008-03-04, 09:58:35   (updated: 2008-03-04, 10:08:17)
anonymous  
hi, i have been scammed, but i noticed it straight away, but played along with it, the girl in question is oksana lobanouskyg, i have up loaded pics of her, please beware of her, regards bruno, great sight chaps, keep up the good work.
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2008-03-05, 01:49:21
anonymous  
I think the girl is doing ok. If it is a girl. Could be anyone really. I had two of them trying to scam me at once...hee hee The picture is supposedly Larisa. I have some of those pics of Anastasiya too Tony


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2008-03-05, 07:05:53
anonymous from United Kingdom  
I have met a guy on a dating site,he emailed me and asked to get to know me...we have chatted on messenger where he tells me he is an american from Colorado living in Kent UK.has a son who lives with his wife in the US At present he is in Lagos on business importing cars from the UK days later he said having paid some £28,000 at the port he is now being asked for a further £800 due to weight etc. can I send it to him via Western Union....
He is charming good looking,professing that I am the one for him etc. he's reeled me in for sure and I do feel an emotional attachment!!!
I said I cannot raise the cash,and since then he HAS managed to get £500 from various sources ,now he only need s the small amount of £300.....no I haven't sent it,my head says scam,my heart says,let him be genuine!!!I did suggest that a friend of a friend may be able to meet him with the money,but he doesn't seem keen.......says I am telling people about his problems ,that he will not go beg for a pokey £800.........................
If I am wrong here with my suspicions then I will feel awful.
Name..Frank Coliinton age 48
address given in Lagos where I am to send the money....14 Broad Street
23401
Anyone have info please(I shall attempt to download his pic.)
2008-03-05, 08:08:35
anonymous  
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I HAVE ALSO FALLEN FOR THIS...I THINK? I HAVE LOST SOME MONEY AND HEART PAIN.AS I READ THROUGH YOUR PAGES I HAVE HEARD JUST ABOUT EVERY PHRASE THAT CAN BE USED ON A PERSON.I AM A FEMALE AND I DO HAVE A BIG HEART AND I DO WANT A CHRISTIAN MAN BUT DAMN I GOT SCAMMED...........I HAVE PICTURE MINE ARE ALL MEN AND TWO ARE IN LJAKA LAGOS NIGERIA AND THE OTHER IS IN ANOTHER PART OF NIGERIA......HELP,HELP
2008-03-05, 08:12:41
Peter from Germany  
Well done, unknown UK!
It is a scam for sure. Everybody who wants money send to Nigeria is a scammer and: He is not the guy from your pictures!
2008-03-05, 09:51:39
OJAS from United States  
anonymous 2008-03-05, 08:08:35 Sorry you got scammed
Please e-mail Tony, with my request for his help. He is familiar with African scammers http://www.delphifa..=21#65253
http://www.delphifa..?p=6#77792
2008-03-11, 07:55:42
bdic@earthlink.net from Eaton, United States  
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I also have been SCAMMED....Aware of this type of activity I have been playing along for the past week. Waiting for the other shoe to drop, and the one that would finally ask for money, which I finally received today. My Imaginary Russian girl was named Oksana Soutyagina. Below I have the final letter hitting me up for money. I have continued to play along and told her I will be flying to Russia next week to save her and for her to show me how much she loves me by sending me NUDE photo's of herself...LOL Good luck to all of you out there and play with them. Thanks for all the info on this webpage, it didn't save me any money but I am sure for a lot of guys out there, you are saving them a lot of grief and CASH!!!!!!





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Hello my love,I have got all the info and resend to you,
you see I am after visit to consulate and agency and I am so happy to say that
we will meet in a few days!!!!
I am really lucky girl to meet you.Honey the thing is that I booked nearest possible
flight .I need only your help. there is only a small problem but I am sure we will
be able to solve.I wanted to
ask you to help me to pay for tickets but they tell that
I can't use your help or ask you about sending me tickets because I have
permission to use the help of agency only because they do all travel things and
it is their
business to arrange all travel things for my jorney,it is the law.and it is not
possible to get work visa without help of agency,too strong laws.
I was sure that my mom will help me becasue she promised but now she sent telegram
that it is possible only in a few months or so because of
family problems.and she can't send transfer now.I was in the bank to try to
ask
them about loan but they tell I have to have something to stay them
and I have nothing to stay because I have only a few
dress and things,some perfume and it is all I have,and small gift for you from
russia with love.and I think it is not great problem for you
to help me.I even think that maybe it will give you the pleasure to help me
because you are my knight,rught? after all payments here and travel by plane I
have about 300$ my own money and
I need about 990$ from your side,because I have to pay for ticket and a
few thigs yet,and I have to pay in advance about 1290$ and if the tickets will
cost less i will get some money back. when we meet
I will return this sum and some extra money because to send thransfer costs
money too.I have to be sure that I will be able to book it or I will lose all the
money I gave them
in advance.I'm not going to ask one more time for your
help,you see I am in hard situation.I will be waiting for your answer .I know it
sounds like I am pooroutsider but you see I have not
time or somebody to ask about help,you know my mom gave me all that we with mom
could collect for my travel.I hate to ask but now I don't have any other choice.you
saw all my body and I believe you I have
done almost all here and now I need some help from you,please help me to leave Moscow
and
it is all I ask now and you know I am full of the love to share with you. Kiss
you, counting days and minutes before our meeting.you know it is only money ,and
I think that
it is not too hard for you to help me ,you see I have such chance only once in
my life.I know you are kind man and I do hope you will be
able to help me.I promise I will return all the money .and I will earn money
because I am ready to work as hard as possible!
Million Kisses, Your poor Oksana you know my rent address here is
Russia, Moscow,
zip 109202,
Basovskaya street 7
flat 9. Remember that my full name is
Soutyagina -(last name) .
Oksana - (firstname) it is right writting in English, and you should put it on
western union list and you can choice any bank in Moscow,they tell it is
international service and I can get money in any bank of
Moscow. they tell I can get only Western Union or Moneygram transfer because I
have not any
bank accounts in Moscow and I have only passport and it is
enough to get it! P.S. I am not sure I should tell this but I want to let you
know that if you don't like me I will not bother you and it is only your choice
to spend time with me I
know you may be too busy,and in any case I will return money back .you know I
will have rent room ,job and I want to say that you don't worry that I want
to use you just for my goals.and I
am sure that when we meet we will not regret about
it,promise,and I hate people who imagined so many silly rules and laws.and I
have only small suitcase with me.and I dream about our first
meeting,our first night and I have some sexy night dress with me! and I think
that now everything depends on you my hope and I will check my mail all day and
all night
because i can't sleep if I am not sure that everything is all right and you
can help,please dear don't
leave me alone i have done so much and I am almost near you.
and I can stay more than six months,I can stay longer it is possible if we fall
in love and going to marry.But I think we need time to learn each other.
and as soon as I got transfer ,they tell in the bank you should send me transfer
number and I will be able to get transfer then,
I will send exact schedule and number of the flight and terminal number and time
of my arriving to your airport.
I with the big hope shall wait your letter.

Kissss Your Oksana


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