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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/ and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!
So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.
Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
well as promised i have sent the pic ,, i have loads more , after getting her , or if its a him hes a good surgeon , to run about , i finally sent the cash ,, ok ,,, so i only sent a single pound , and used , im an internet scammer ,, as a password,,, would have loved to be there when they went to pick up the cash,
hope this saves some one whos not as aware.
i have a good one for you gays. this one is stuck in a camp . her mother an father were killed. so she ended up in a camp. but she has 6.4 millon dollers in the bank. but she can't get it out. she needs a bank account number to send the money to. if any of you want to become rich man. she is going by the name of glory dabah - firstname.lastname@example.org. i think i will have some fun with her. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Ayuba Amandu
anonymous from Australia
Hi, just my ideas. This actually worked with one of the very successful scammers here.
After you have exchanged a few messages and everything seems ok., tell her you are serious about a relationship, but it has to take the following form. That you want to get to know her really well, messaging and later lots of phone calls (get VOIP) and webcam. This is the only way you can develop a relationship. And then, after a few months, you will go and visit the girl in her country and meet her and her family. And see if you get on. Then she can come and visit you later to see if she wants to live with you in your country. Tell her this is the only way it is going to happen (And seriously folks, if you don't do it this way you are fucking nuts, so you are telling her the truth.) Be strong about it. It is funny that right about here you lose at least half of your contacts. They just don't answer. And any mention of family gold, or inheritances, or their rent being due and they are going to be thrown out in the street, yadda yadda, then shut them down. If they have a disaster a week or so after meeting you, ask yourself this. How did they manage before you came along? I have chatted many girls on Afrointroductions (I like african chicks) and most, 9 out of 10 are scams. I have met about three or four delightful ladies I chat too and will probably meet in the future. This is after chatting to probably 300. I have attached a couple of pics. If you have been checking this site out, you will know this girl. The first is how she says she looks. The second is how she really looks. And judging by the diamonds she is doing really well out of the scams.Please never, never send money and tell them that right from the start. The genuine ones will understand. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Janet Adu Dating scammer Janet Adu
here is a good one guys. this girl goes by williams tiffany adebola. email@example.com. she fell in love with me after 2 emails. wants to marry me. she is in nigeria to collect her fathers entitlement money from his oil & gas company. oh by the way has a oil & gas company in the uk to. but the lawyer wont give her the money. until she is 35 or marries someone. lucky me . she has picked me. so she has no money now is stuck in nigeria. needs 8,550 dollers to pay her bills an air fair to the usa. i told her no problem my love. i will email you the western union infomation and you can pick up the money 12 september. to bad the wu info will be of no use to her it will all be bogus. i wish i could see the face on them when they try to get there 8,550 dollers. do you think i will get some unfriendly emails. ha ha ha ha
Scammers post profiles on dating websites to fish for victims. Upon finding victims scammers lure them to more private means of communication to allow for fraud to occur. Scammers may also initiate contact with their victims through brief, generic emails. This variant, sometimes known as the 'nice girl' scam, promises to send self photos (which are actually selected by the scammer from a photograph pool) if the victim replies to the email.
I think I have come accross a scammer a couple of weeks ago and I have been e-mailing her/him to see if this person will ask for money. I say it took 10 e-mails when he/she asked for money. From her e-mail she is an only child her mom is a pensioner and her father well he died in the Afghanistan war 1988. She works in a cloths shop and earns 135 Euros a month!! She is from Marij-El i Russia and wants a new beginning abroad. She does not have a computer so she uses her buddy Marina who is 32 years old. Her best story is here former boy friend read her e-mail below!
And today again in the evening I have seen your letter!! I am very glad to it, I every day
think only of you, about us with you and when I come to my girlfriend
and I see your letter, my heart simply bleeds profusely, it is ready
to jump out from a breast and to run to you!! When I read your letters
I present, as though you are near to me, but then I understand, that
you very much and very far from me, but lovely know, that you always
in my heart and I are very strongly glad to this!! I am simple in
delight that we have got acquainted with you also us the destiny, in
fact how to be spoken at us in Russia has reduced together, all that
is not done, all to the best!! In this letter I would like to tell
about the last private life!! My former the man called Ðleg, to it
there were 26 years, but has already passed 3 years as we have left
and for all these 3 years I not to time did not see it, and to see it
at me there is no not what desire!! When we have started to meet, to
me there were 25 years!! We about one year after our acquaintance
simply walked, communicated, it drove me at cinema, in theatres, gave
me gifts, every day fell asleep me colors! I was on the top of the
world with happiness!! After one year of our friendship, it has left
in army, I promised that for it I shall love, wait and it is necessary
to wait and I have constrained the promise, I have waited it from
army!! It served in army about 1 year then it has come absolutely
other person, it was reserved!! After his returning it for a long time
searched for work and money, but to a life did not suffice it and
after that I to it have suggested to move to me home, it has
agreed!!!! And for all this time, that we have lived together, I have
much gone through burning and insults, and all this from for him so
much!! In the first it did not work, my mum and I worked only!! We fed
it and completely contained, from inaction it started to drink vodka,
to drive friends when we with mum were on work!! When at him have
started to come to an end money for binge, it started to sell all from
a house, that is furniture, the TV!! But I suffered all, in fact I
knew, that to it not where to go, it it was a pity to me!! But further
it is worse!! When he did not have money, it started to ask them me,
but I to it did not allow, in fact I knew, that it to spend them for
vodka and it started me to beat and take away my money and it
proceeded very for a long time!! I was afraid to tell about it to my
mum, in fact at it very weak heart, and she would not go through it!!
And in one awful day, it has beaten me so strongly, that I have
received concussion of a head, and I have got in hospital!! In
hospital to me there has come the militiaman, and I to it have told
all! Through not which time of mine the man have planted in prison!!!
But I do not regret about it, in fact it was the present cattle!! In
hospital I have stayed about 2 weeks, then at me the good, quiet life
began!! I so am glad, that all this I has ended, hope lovely that you
not such person, I hope, that you will love me and to respect!!!!!!
Now at me from for memoirs to run tears, but not that I to this have
got used!! Now I to go to go to bed, I hope you to me dream in dream!!
Your lovely Ekaterina!!!!!!
Her e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org
Has anyone come accross her? Oh by the way she is on speeddating.com
anonymous from United Kingdom, if you have doubts, do background check of her, it is cheap. I would recommend you http://rusdetective.com