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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/ and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!
So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.
Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
Hi there, she tried to scam me laitley but am a lonley wolf and it wont happend:P
if u need here like she seed letters I can provide them + more pics
firstname.lastname@example.org from United States
anonymous from Luxembourg,
Please post as many letters and pictures as you can - they are valuable for identifying scammers in the future.
Everyone who is corresponding with scammers - please always ask them for copies of their passports. Fake passports are valuable for law enforcement in case someone decides to file for prosecution.
anonymous from United States
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Tatiana <email@example.com> wrote:
From: Tatiana <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: responding to chillyfantasy1
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 1:22 PM
Hi! Thank's a lot for your answer!
I could not answer you earlier. I did not see your letter. It has been placed in spam folder.
I do not know why it happens. Probably it is a mistake of a server. I will disconnect spam filter.
I'm not sure what could I write for the first time, I'm sending my photos...
I have many photos, sorry I don't have any professional one, just usual photos. Let me know and I can send more pics!
I'm looking forward to visiting your beautiful country and I would like to find a man over there who will be interested in meeting me!
I've never been abroad before and I would like to visit it so much!
I'm looking for a friend, lover or maybe even something serious...
I'm a free bird now, I don't have a boyfriend and I'm open to anything!!! Pls send me your photos and write me about yourself!!!!
I would like to have a serious relationship although I don't know if that's possible in internet so
I'm looking just for a good man who can show me over there and....... we will see!!!!!!!! I hope you like my pics!
I`m 27 years old, I hope my age is ok for you?? My height is 5.6
May I hope that you will write me back? I hope so much!
Also I hope I'm your type of girl, I'm not sure you like Slavic appearance!!
OK, I will wait for your answer. When I hear back from you I will write more things about myself and send more pics!
Tatiana (this is my real name)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 4:47 AM
Subject: responding to chillyfantasy1
Hi there....it has been a nightmare getting around this crqp on these pay sites...my e-mail is ............... i hope to be hearing from youy...:)
--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Tatiana <email@example.com> wrote:
From: Tatiana <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Hello again
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:20 AM
Hello!!! This is me again! I decided to send you more info about me.
Sorry I don't have much time to write now because my sister is waiting for me.
We will go home together. It is my first time I try to correspondence with man
in internet world. I do hope you will be enough patient to understand my writing.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I don`t have big secrets.
The thing is that I will work abroad for three or six months or so and I would like
to meet a nice man to be my guide or just be good friend to spend time with.
I think that it is hard enough to live in foreign town without friends and also I have
never been abroad. I am from so small town here in Russia,I am afraid to be lost.
I want to see the real life and it is impossible to see without person who knows all sides
of the life. It doesn`t matter what age is he or what is his eyes color, I just want to know
that he is kind and open-hearted inside. Last time many girls all over the world also want to
start a new life abroad, so many of them used a special program for young people who wants to work abroad.
I also decided to do so and to use it. This program just helps to register documents and gives suitable work
in your area. I already started to register documents and now I need to decide in which city I want to work.
I`m 27 years old and I`m not afraid of work (I will work as a dance teacher).
You know, I`m a professional dancer, I dance in group on festivals, wedding celebrations etc.
But when I will arrive (I will travel alone) I will work as a dance teacher (instructor),
I have an international certificate. I think it is the right way for me, I am lost here, and I think
that I look pretty enough to find a better place. I never been abroad so I decided to find a friend abroad
and make his city to be my destination. I want to repeat the same way,it is my only chance to change my life.
I am full of plans and different dreams. My hair is blonde and I have grey eyes. I think I'm somewhat pretty,
but first of all I want to be beautiful inside. I do hope that you will be not disappointed to meet me in the
real life if we meet. I will leave my town in a few days or so (I can't tell you everything exactly right now)
and I would like to be sure that I have a man who is waiting for me there. I will work all day and I would like
to find a man to spend all free time together to get to know each other better. if you have any interest to meet
me I will be more then happy to meet you too. Sorry I really have to go now. My sister is waiting for me and I have to go!
P.S. Forgot to say I'm sending a pic with my sister, my father and me.
--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Tatiana <email@example.com> wrote:
From: Tatiana <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Hopefully your future girlfriend!!!
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 7:39 AM
Hello l!!! This is me again! I was so happy when I saw your e-mail in my mail box.
Thank you very much for your photo! I think its very important to know how a person looks like with whom you are corresponding!
I really like you so much! Now I know that you are interested in me and I hope we will be able to meet soon when I will come to your area. Why I chose you? I found you at the site by chance. Telling from the beginning I know a
woman who is on a dating site. That profile wasn't mine, it was a profile of that woman, but she let me find
someone from the dating site from her profile. I don't know how to use the site, so I found you by chance and wrote you.
I think I should write you more things about me, I hope it will be interesting for you to know me better!
As I wrote you I`m 27 years old, My birthday is 21 of August 1981. I am a leo.
I'm 167 cm tall (5.5.) and 51 kg weight. I don't know exactly my bust-waist-hips measurements, I don't have a reason to measure it because I think it's OK and my body is proportionate )) I take care of my body, for truth its very easy for me, because I work as a dancer, so it helps me to keep feet!!!
I've never been married, don't have kids but I love them and they love me! I don't smoke, drink occasionally.
And I want to tell you that I always wanted to find an older man. I think older men are much more serious and they can take
care of me, they are more experienced in life and can teach me many things.
As for my family - I live with my mother and my brother. My mother is 48 years old, I love her very much, she works as a hairdresser in a beauty salon.
I have a sister, her name is Zoya, she is already married and she lives with her husband.
I also have a younger brother, he is 13 years old, his name is Maksim.
He is very clever and he wants to be a naval officer like our father. My father was a great person, he was courageous and brave. He is an ideal man for me.
My father died in auto crash... My mum cried for several months but now she is ok, she will never meet another man because my father was the only man in her life and now her aim in life is to grow up our brother.
It was my mother's idea to try to work to another country.
She loves me very much and she thinks that its impossible to earn good money in russia working as a dancer or dance instructor. I teach ballroom dances. My mother read many stories about girls who found their happiness abroad and now she wants me to do the same.
As I wrote you I live in Russia, the name of my town is Chashi it is situated in Kurganskaya Obl. (District).
It will be great if you also tell me some interesting facts about your city.
I don`t remeber if I told you or not but I graduated from Chelyabinsk University two years ago, Economy faculty but I don't work on my specialization because I can't find a good job here in economy sphere, my city is so small. I don`t use any translators and I can speak and write English well. I also have a certificate of aerobic's instructor.
I write my emails from Internet cafe, we have a computer but no Internet.
If you want I can call you when we get to know each other better it would be nice to talk to you. Today I'm going to tell my mother about you, I'm sure she will be happy I've met someone over there who can show me around!
I hope you are not getting bored to read my emails?
It's a pity there is no messenger here, so we can talk only using e-mails..
My address here is Russia, Chashi, Pushkina street 30, flat 44.
So now you have a representation of who I am....
I just can tell you I enjoy life and I try to live to the fullest, I like to try new things. I'm very tender, caring, artistic, faithful, decent person.
Sometimes I can be not well organized, I think everybody had it's own minuses and pluses.
I don't look any special qualities in a man. I just hope he will be faithful to me and ready to create a happy family with me and I will do everything to make him happy. I'm looking for a soulmate! Do you look for any special qualities?
PS I'm sending more pics this time! They were taken in Sochi one year ago.