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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-04-30, 12:18:21
anonymous from United States  
Rose Mithual tried to scam me multiple time, and after paying for a olane ticket, visa, etc, she never came. She contiues to try to scam me for more and more money. She also has a website: www.Alexmodel.com. Piece of garbage and a pesistent liar.


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2009-05-07, 11:09:49
anonymous from United States  
Beware of this girl she is real Raven Riley a porn star She called herself Angela Allotey and her father David Alletoy in Ghana she is a very very good SCAMMER
2009-05-07, 12:31:49
OJAS from United States  
Here is a site, for some Russian celebrities, if their names in Cyrillic are known http://rusactors.ru..ndex.shtml
2009-05-07, 14:17:25
anonymous  
Scammer at Yoshkar-Ola, Aleksandra Viktorovna Fedorova
2009-05-07, 14:33:24   (updated: 2009-05-07, 14:38:15)
anonymous from United Kingdom  
I reckonthis is a scam, going by other emails posted on your site
Hello My Dearest,
How was your night over there in your country and the day,i believe you had a nice night and that the arthmosphere over there in your country is very nice today? Mine was a little bit cool over here in Dakar Senegal.

My name is TINA ODILY i am (23yrs) but age doesn't matter in a real relationship,so i am confortable with your age,I am from RWANDA in Africa,5.4ft tall, fair in complexion, single,(never married ) and presently i am residing here in Dakar as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country some years ago.

My late father DR.FREDRICK.D Odily was the managing director of Upeh COCOA INDUSTRIES (Ltd) in KIGALI (the capital city of RWANDA,my country) before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed my mother and my father in cold blood.

It was only me that is alive now and I managed to make my way to a near by country SENEGAL where i am leaving now as a refugee under a Revrend father's care and i am using his computer to send these message to you.

I would like to know more about you.Your likes and dislikes,your hobbies and what you are doing presently.I will tell you more about myself in my next mail.Attached here are my pictures.
Hoping to hear from you soonest
Yours forever,
TINA

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2009-05-08, 05:29:22
anonymous  
one more here....
i got this mail on 06.05.09 from this id - mercy01@yahoo.o.uk

(My Dearest,

I am very happy for your reply to my mail despite your busy schedules.
How was your night over there in your country, I believe you had a nice night rest and that the atmosphere over there in your country is very nice today? Mine was a little bit warm over here in Dakar Senegal.

My name is Mercy Awa, 23 years old but age doesn't matter in a real relationship, so i am comfortable with your age, My hobbies are Reading, traveling Listening to good reddiles also my likes are obedient,Honest,sincerity,truth and my dislikes are lie, dishonest, envy, and betrayal.
I am from Liberia in West Africa, 5.6ft tall, single, (never married) and presently, i am residing here in Dakar as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country some years ago. My late father Dr Wilson Away was chairman managing director (Awa INDUSTRIAL COMPANY LTD),in MONROVIA the capital of my country, and he was also the personal advicer to the former head of state (The capital State of Liberia) before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed my mother and my father in cold blood.
It was only me that is alive now and I managed to make my way to a near by country Senegal where i am leaving now as a refugee under a Reverend father's care and i am using the computer in his office to send these messages to you.

I would like to know more about you. Your likes and dislikes, your hobbies and what you are doing presently. I will like to tell you more about myself in my next mail. Attached here is my picture. I will also like to see yours!
Hoping to hear from you soonest
Yours forever loves mercy)



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2009-05-08, 11:49:20
anonymous from Blackburn, United Kingdom  
Just thought i`d bring this 'girl' to your attention. She calls herself Evgeniya Shakirova but, as i found out today, is also known as Christina Putnikova & Kseniya Tokareva. She has not asked for any money yet put there are letters she has sent to others on the net and the story is always the same i.e. she is a dentist and is taking exams in Nizhny Novgorod so she can come to the UK and be with her 'beloved' but also work here then start a family. I have attached a photo so you can see what she looks like.


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2009-05-08, 16:45:21
OJAS from United States  
Suggestions on posting scammer information.

A) From the e-mail header, only 3 fields are useful for us.

1) Scammer e-mail address - Google can hit the full e-mail address, as well as just the user name part, before the @ symbol. Scammers often set up several e-mail accounts with the same user name, with different mail service providers.

2) X-Mailer is the sending program. The Bat!, Voyager, CompuGate, Becky, are mass mailers. A macro simply substitues value (your name) for place-holder variables

3) Sender IP. When traced, if it is nowhere near scammer's city, it is a scam in the works.

The header also contains your personal info, no point posting them.
The header also contains some encrypted data. For example, law-enforcement agencies can issue a warrant to the ISP, and determine who signed on to the SMTP server, and track the e-mail sender. But we CANNOT do that!

B) From the e-mail body, mask your name, with any substitution. Scammers visit anti-scam sites when their business slows down. If they recognize your name, they may stop writing to you, and you lose them. Some will send you insults, generally in Russian. Worse, some send you trojans, virus attachment etc., and you may a fight in your hands unexpectedly.



C) With each picture add as many descriptions as strike you. Granted, some are easy to photoshop, some difficult, from these examples: Moles, other birth marks, tattoos, body piercings, lines, scars, dimples, color of eyes, any electrical outlets, angle (wide = uniform focus, narrow = focus on foreground). All objects may cast shadow in one dirction, but the girl herself casts no shadow (amateurish photoshop). Think of more your own examples.

It is important to make a database search-friendly. Adding swear words to any picture is ridiculous, and in NO WAY helps searching.

Supplementary links:
http://www.delphifa..=42#39628
http://www.delphifa..?p=1#56065
2009-05-08, 20:21:12
OJAS from United States  
2009-05-09, 19:15:01
anonymous from Germany  



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2009-05-11, 10:53:44
OJAS from United States  
2009-05-11, 16:37:05
anonymous from Netherlands  
I see that this girl tried to get another victim after Norway was not interesting anymore. Contacted me on the 21th of April. Someone had send her a letter from me with email adress haha. Send lots of pictures and in the end asked if I was interested in starting serious relation. Don't know if it has to do with Russian festivities but didn't hear from her for a couple of days.


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2009-05-11, 16:38:06
anonymous from Netherlands  
2009-05-11, 16:39:52
anonymous from Netherlands  
2009-05-11, 16:40:21
anonymous from Netherlands  
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