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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/ and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!
So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.
Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
This photo is appropriate or not ?
I want to know the lady's opinion.
[hidden] from Salt Lake City, United States
Abigail and I are currently chatting...She found me on Match.com. I kept seeing red flags and glad I did my research to discover this site. She has not asked for money, yet! Red flags: her answers to my question were always vague and she is conveniently dropped off line when I pursue a question. Some msgs read like they're templates. I will move on, not waste my time with her. Thanks everyone for posting....
Hello all......American female fool here,
How embarressing!!! And heart breaking!!!! And going broke!!!!
My 'knight in shining armor' is in (where else) Lagos,Nigeria.
And I, like any 'lost my heart' to this fool, person....sent money to him.
How could I not, I loved him and he needed my assistance....and I was a fool.
Anyway, my inquirey is this.....I am ready to have an investigation done on him,
I need to know if he is for real or not.....and am thinking of going with Wymoo.com,
but I've read several incerps in here where it is mentioned that it is a waste of time
and money to have a professional investigation done. How could I possibly find out on my own whether this man is being truthful with me or not? Oviously, I'm not ready to let this guy go, just yet......but I need to know if he is for real or not so what is so horrible about shelling out a few hundreds for a professional to get the real scoop on this guy, if they have the capabilities to actually being there to see if this man is whom he claims to be and then report that information back to me?
Agent 86 from Salem, United States
anonymous from United States
Please forgive Me for being Blunt with You.
Your hooked up to a scammer and please for Your sake believe Me.
First off please make Your postings in the Male Scammers section
of this site.
Near the top of the page is a list of places on the site.
Please find [ Male Dating Scammers (562) ]
Click on that and You will see only reports of scams done on Woman.
Secondly You must learn right now that Your being scammed and
it is impossible that, Your not being scammed.
If You do as I ask and look on the Male Dating scams You will find
that Nearly 100% of all scams of Woman are from Nigeria.
Simple Rule to live by.
If Your ever contacted by anyone from Nigeria, Ghana, Dakar, Senegal,
Benin Republic, Any Refugee Camp, Gold Coast, Ivory Coast.
All of West Africa its 100% scammers there are NO EXCEPTIONS !!!!!!!
Please for the Love of God do not have a Investigation done on this Scammer.
That may sound strange for me to say.
But the truth is You have lost money already and Your odds of getting
a single Penney back are slim to none.
Never send Money to anyone on the Internet NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if Your ever contacted by anyone claiming to be part of the EFCC
that is the Nigerian Branch of Government that is supposed to bust these
scammers. Under the 419 law code in Nigeria.
I have a fake e mail in my inbox from the EFCC right now.
Its the scammers trying to get me to believe they will help
me get my money back from being scammed.
Funny thing is My scammer was not from Nigeria. LOL
If You try to go through Our Government that is a definite dead end.
If You go through anything connected to Nigeria the Corrupt Government
will Rob You blind and do nothing.
You need a very fast lesson on what is really going on and need to
end any connection to this scammer right now and never allow Him to
contact You ever again NO EXCEPTIONS !!!!!!!
Please Never confront the scammer with the truth.
You have been lied to and manipulated from the very first contact.
No matter what You say or do will change this in any way.
You will remain scammed and it will not end until Your Penniless
NEVER tell the scammer a single word about this site.
NEVER post Your e mail address on this site.
You can ignore Me and keep looking for proof that shows, He's not a
scammer all that will do is waste Your time and money.
No one wants to hear that they have been scammed.
But You must know it now and save Yourself from anymore Heart or Money Loss.
[ How could I possibly find out on my own whether this man is being truthful with me or not? Oviously, I'm not ready to let this guy go, just yet......but I need to know if he is for real or not so what is so horrible about shelling out a few hundreds for a professional to get the real scoop on this guy, if they have the capabilities to actually being there to see if this man is whom he claims to be and then report that information back to me? ]
You say Your not ready to let this guy go that is asking to remain scammed.
There are no Professional people right now that won't rip You off trying
to investigate this for You.
You need to see several links, I have for You and You need to understand
You are a victim just like these links talk about.
Right now there is a Factory of Scammers Operating out of Nigeria.
There are no White or Black, Men or Woman on line at all that are not
Your guy no matter if He claims to be from anywhere else in the World and is
working in Nigeria.
Is in fact a Young Black man sitting in a Internet Cafe scamming Hundreds
of Mugu just like You every day. [ Mugu = Gullible White Fool ]
I will get Miss Marple and others to help You also on this.
If You keep any contact at all with this scammer.
You certainly will never be rid of this scammer.
Scammers use stolen photo's, They have many Fake names and ID's.
They usually are impossible to trace back to the source because of fake
IP addresses, They have many phone numbers, If blocked they contact You
using another one of their many e mail addresses.
Nigerian Scammers never stop if confronted will keep lying and will
never stop until You stop them.
They use Religion and anything else to convince their victims they are
in Love with them.
Its all manipulation.
I will post a picture below of real scammers at work in Nigeria.
These are Who You are hooked up with and it is the truth.
I really Hope You listen to Me now.
Please save Your Money and Your Heart.
Please make a new posting in the Male Dating Scammers part of this site.
Include as much detail as possible including any photo's.
I am very sorry You have been scammed and will Pray You get rid of
this scammer now.
Remember the scammer is gathering Your information with each contact.
You do not need to ever talk to the scammer to end this.
In fact if You do Your just asking to be lied to some more.
you want to have my oppinion about this picture..??
ok for me as an female i think this picture belongs to
NUDITY yes,because if you look at the picture,what does it
stand for ?? I mean is this a picture for every audience..??
of course not..it is created for the male audience...not for us
women...is it that bad that it should be removed.??.it is very
questional ,my self i have looked at it several times..does it
make me feel bad ore good?? it is mixed thinkings of this one
because she shows in the same time and not..but it is very sexual
picture yes it is..does it make me upset ?? yes and no...
But if i could chose i would remove this one..but as the males
here has oppinion in that is not/ borderline....????
for me as an female having an oppinion it is NUDITY..
All regards //Miss Marple//
anonymousWW from Japan
Your opinion is very helpful for me to think about posting standard.
I think it is the borderline photo .
That is the reason why I asked you on this photo.
I want to know the female's opinions on posting standard.
Thanks ,again !
Have a good weekend !
anonymous from United States
I didn't remove the photo I posted, someone else did. But I will repost another one. So I pose the question again. Does anyone know who this lady is. Thanks again.