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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.


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2009-12-17, 04:28:47
OJAS from United States  
2009-12-17, 21:27:31
anonymous from Oakland, United States  
I just got notified by one of these freaks- Irina. I knew it was a scam right away so I decided to carry on just for laughs- and see the pictures she was sending of course. The pictures seem to start pretty innocent, then the cloth start coming off as the emails progress. My new 'girlfriend/wife' apparently is on her way to Moscow as I write this trying to find her way to me. Her mother is apparently very happy that she has found such a nice 'future American husband', and I am naturally very excited that I found a new toy.
Anyway- this site is great, and apparently my 'russian hottie' is really two-timing me- at least with about 20 of you guys. Thanks for the postings. It really helps with strategizing my next move. Any suggestions?
2009-12-18, 03:56:18
OJAS from United States  
Oakland 2009-12-17, 21:27:31, You could start with http://www.delphifa..086.shtml
Copy / Paste can save time with Template responses to scammers http://www.delphifa..p=3#100372
2009-12-23, 19:07:40
anonymous from New Zealand  
My dear!
How are you today? i am very happy for your response to the email i sent to you in your address at the site.I am Miss Loret Kevin Age 23 ft 5/6 wt 59.I am the only daughter of Late Dr Kevin martin from Sudan in Africa,who died as a result of the war in my country .My father was the Parliament Leader of the parliament. he is the owner of martin minerals (LTD) before he was assassinated alongside with my mother on a cold blood one morning.
But i managed to escape for my dear life and ran into a neighboring country,(Dakar) the capital of (Senegal) with the help of the United Nations peace keeping force and I am residing here now as a refugee.
Meanwhile,I am writing to you now in a Reverend computer and will like to know you the more before we move forward from here!.

I will like to know what you do for a living,remember that you caught my attention in that site that was why i wrote you at the first time.Here is one of my pictures i came here with,i will show you more of me when i know and see yours.Awaiting for your reply soonest!
from my heart Loret!

2009-12-26, 20:55:05
anonymous from Australia  
anyone knows her?

2009-12-26, 20:56:23
anonymous from Australia  
and again...

2009-12-26, 20:58:00
anonymous from Australia  

2009-12-26, 21:00:36   (updated: 2009-12-26, 21:09:19)
anonymous from Australia  
2009-12-28, 15:27:50
[hidden] from China  


I chated with one guy named Eric Maxwell online . He also said he is an engineer living in London. I never think he maybe a liar till my feeling tell me it can be a spam people.

He asked me my contact number when we chat on msn for first time. As I often work for
some UK companies ,so I have a good impression for people from UK. I tried to call this guy at+44 7031857056 .But it said the number I am calling doesn't exist.

He also said he work and oil and gas company.

Please comment for my post.

2009-12-28, 16:22:01
Agent 86 from Salem, United States  
2009-12-28, 15:27:50
[hidden] from China

Hello please be informed the phone number You posted
is a Nigerian number. [ +44 7031857056 ]
The call did not go through because You did not dial 1 before the
rest of the number.

This is a scammer and should be avoided at all costs.
He can claim to be from anywhere He wants but through false proxy's
He can hide the fact He is in Nigeria.

Simply put never allow any contact with anyone that has any
West African connection ever.
That includes Nigeria, Ghana, Dakar Senegal, Benin Republic,
any Refugee Camp, Gold Coast, Ivory Coast, all of West Africa.
It is 100% scammers no exceptions.

Please learn all You can about scams and scammers now
so You can remain safe in the future.

Kind Regards Happy New Year Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'// <><
2009-12-28, 22:06:35
anonymous from Canada  
2009-12-29, 00:43:28
Agent 86 from Salem, United States  
2009-12-28, 22:06:35
anonymous from Canada page # 96

Just to make it very clear Raven Riley is not and has never
been a scammer.

She is Porn Star and makes enough money to buy a third world country.
She has no need to do scams.

Her pictures are used by scammers world wide.

Nearly 100% of all scams are done by men.
Scammers use stolen photo's and even fake web cam appearances.

Never blame the girl in the photo as they are not the scammers.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'// <><
2009-12-29, 09:46:26
DOC from United States  
Thanks Agent86

@2009-12-28, 22:06:35 anonymous from Canada page # 96

I removed the pic you had posted of Raven.

No nudity is allowed on Delphi.

Here is your pic edited. Regards, DOC

2009-12-29, 09:46:35
anonymous from China  
Hello please be informed the phone number You posted
is a Nigerian number. [ +44 7031857056 ]

Thank you for your reply. I didn't lost anything but feel bad this guy wastte my time.

Thank you very much.

Wishing you a happy holiday season and Happy New Year!
2009-12-29, 12:45:17
DOC from United States  
anonymous from China,



Scam phone numbers in the United Kingdom (+44):

Most '419' scams using +44 70xx numbers involve emails that are sent from Nigeria
and other West African countries, not from the UK! If you see a +44 70xx number in a
419 scam email it usually means you're dealing with criminals based in Nigeria.

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