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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2010-05-21, 19:03:07
anonymous from United States  
I HAVE BEEN SCAMMED BY A MAN WHO CLAIMED HE LIVED IN ENGLAND BY THE NAME OF SPENCER CHARLES! HE CLAIMED HE WAS IN LOVE WITH ME AND HE WANTED TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES CUZ HE COULD NOT LIVE WITH OUT ME, HE TOOK OVER 20,000 FROM ME AND I FOUND OUT HE WAS REALLY FROM LAGOS NIGERIA, HE TOOK PICTURES FROM THIS WEB SITE AND HE ALSO CLAIMED TO HAVE A LITTLE GIRL BY THE NAME OF DESY IN WHICH HE ALSO TOOK THE PICTURES FROM THIS WEB SITE AS WELL, PLZ PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHOM EVER U MEET ONLINE, I AM IN A SERIOUS RUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THIS SCAMMER! HE HAS MADE UP SEVERAL DIFFERENT STORIES JUST TO GET MONEY OFF OF ME AND AS AN IDIOT I BELIEVED HIM CUZ HE SOUNDED SO SINCERE AND SO PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT! THIS IS THE PERSON HE CLAIMS TO BE


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2010-05-31, 12:44:25
anonymous from United States  
THIS IS THE SAME BITCH
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2010-05-31, 15:24:00
anonymous from United States  
HER SHE IS AGAIN SHE IS A SCAMMER WATCH OUT FOR HER
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2010-06-04, 03:17:25
jose_7919 from Panama  
hola soy de venezuela, tengo 30 años, graduado en leyes. desearia conocer a mujeres estables, educadas, con buenos sentimientos y que esten centradas en la vida.
2010-06-04, 12:43:40
anonymous  
rating
Hello My Love, the address is:
Mike Adams
c/o Angela Sakkas
P.O. Box GP 3331
Accra-Central
Ghana 23321.

angela_luv85@live.com

number is 00233279461636.

angela sakkas greeg michael brisbane australia

crime, kriminell, warnung, warning, atention, date.de,
2011-09-27, 00:40:01
Biker Bob from Australia  
Thailovelinks ,my first hit site ,very interesting
Badoo lives up to it's name
Datanya site is a who's who of the porn world,sorry Julie but Mellisa has taken over here
takes a whije to go through but worth it to see how far the scammers go
p.s 'Julie ' is in Alaska sun bathing on tropical beach
BEWARE they are every where
2011-09-27, 01:32:05
Biker Bob from Australia  
uses Janessa brazil pics
Innocencia Gyimah
Halima Mohammed
limalove48@hotmail.com and at @yahoo.com
P O Box 44 Legon ST Accra Ghana
ph;233 245811333
ph;233 245944229
thats all so far
BE warned she is good


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2011-09-27, 14:39:27
Dirk from Kerkrade, Netherlands  
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2011-09-29, 11:18:00
anonymous  
Just to let you know Chris Morgan is back. He now lives in Brooklyn NY. He is a contractor for refineries in China. Dad died 12 years ago and his mother 3 from cancer. He was born in Liverpool UK, and has a 16 year old daughter Amanda who lives with her grandmother in Africa. He is 6 ft tall, with black hair, and Hispanic. Wife, Kimberly died in an auto accident could talk about her, still to choked up. Drives a Porsche Cayenne. Favorite color is yellow and he works from home.

He has not gotten to the point of asking me for money, but he did ask me to marry him. I thought, maybe he needed citizenship. He is on Plenty of Fish. com under the name Chris Morgan 1968 His yahoo address is chrismorgan_1968@yahoo.com Very good at making you feel like you are there to save him from being alone,. That you are special and that everything is going to be great. I rec'd the same two pictures of him, One with sunglasses and one on the plane.

Very convincing, my girlfriend found this on him here. I'm glad I have friends who look out for me.

Good Luck ladies.



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2011-09-29, 13:04:37
Malek  
Reported before on delphi
http://delphifaq.co..33#132689

How are you ?
Good Morning Sweetheart,
I just got back from church and wanted to know how you are doing .

Dear Angel,
Some of the most superb feelings and tingling emotions come from what love an Angel, such as yourself, and I make. Our world, as we have come to see it, has no bearing and an infinite boundary when we are locked lips to lips.

No one person can sever that bond of nothing but pure affection and intimate passion. We are the Angels of Our Heaven and with merely our names to live with. A name, which consists of nothing more than symbols of a language taken for granted.

I would soon rather speak nothing. A true test of love of which we have accomplished merely by the elucidation in our eyes. Earth moves with such apathy that only Our Heaven can keep the pace of our devotion for one another. As slow as the heart beat of a goliath at rest.

Why would the world seem so passive? I believe it is a chance for us to make our own time to spend together. It is love. It is what binds the thoughts of all beings trying to understand it. It appears that you and I have fallen into love, without having looked for it.
This is Heaven and we are the Angels of Our Name....

Affection Always,
Your Heaven's guide,you are my Angel.

Hubby

Fond letter at here :
http://www.scamwarn..=7&t=3708

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2011-09-30, 09:32:33   (updated: 2011-09-30, 09:42:03)
anonymous from United States  
ANYONE TALKED TO OR NO THIS WOMAN????I MET HER ON YEARBOOK AND WOULD LOVE TO NO HER ALOT BETTER.SHE SAID SHE WAS FROM TENNESSEE BUT IM NOT SURE SHE REALLY IS????IF YOU NO HER CONTACT ME AT tpartin10@yahoo.com.
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2011-10-01, 06:23:59
Biker Bob from Australia  
Thailovelinks ,my first hit site ,very interesting
Badoo lives up to it's name
Datanta site is a who's who of the porn world,sorry Julie but Mellisa has taken over here
takes a whije to go through but worth it to see how far the scammers go
p.s 'Julie ' is in Alaska sun bathing on tropical beach
BEWARE they are every where
2011-10-01, 10:54:32
anonymous  
Listen up guys... this is an interesting read outlines Nigeria's hotbed activity and a typical scammer interview. Take heed !

Online scams create 'Yahoo! millionaires'

In Lagos, where scamming is an art, the quickest path to wealth for the cyber-generation runs through a computer screen.

(FORTUNE Magazine) - Akin is, like many things in cyberspace, an alias. In real life he's 18. He wears Adidas sneakers, a Rolex Submariner watch, and a kilo of gold around his neck. Akin, who lives in Lagos, is one of a new generation of entrepreneurs that has emerged in this city of 15 million, Nigeria's largest. His mother makes $30 a month as a cleaner, his father about the same hustling at bus stations. But Akin has made it big working long days at Internet cafes and is now the main provider for his family and legions of relatives.

Call him a 'Yahoo! millionaire.'

Akin buys things online - laptops, BlackBerries, cameras, flat-screen TVs - using stolen credit cards and aliases. He has the loot shipped via FedEx or DHL to safe houses in Europe, where it is received by friends, then shipped on to Lagos to be sold on the black market. (He figures Americans are too smart to sell a camera on eBay to a buyer with an address in Nigeria.)

Akin's main office is an Internet cafe in the Ikeja section of Lagos. He spends up to ten hours a day there, seven days a week, huddled over one of 50 computers, working his scams.

And he's not alone: The cafe is crowded most of the time with other teenagers, like Akin, working for a 'chairman' who buys the computer time and hires them to extract e-mail addresses and credit card information from the thin air of cyberspace. Akin's chairman, who is computer illiterate, gets a 60 percent cut and reserves another 20 percent to pay off law enforcement officials who come around or teachers who complain when the boys cut school. That still puts plenty of cash in Akin's pocket.

A sign at the door of the cafe reads, WE DO NOT TOLERATE SCAMS IN THIS PLACE. DO NOT USE E-MAIL EXTRACTORS OR SEND MULTIPLE MAILS OR HACK CREDIT CARDS. YOU WILL BE HANDED OVER TO THE POLICE. NO 419 ACTIVITY IN THIS CAFE. The sign is a joke; 419 activity, which refers to the section of the Nigerian law dealing with obtaining things by trickery, is a national pastime. There are no coherent laws relating to internet scams, the police are mostly computer illiterate, and penalties for financial crimes are rarely enforced

'What do you want me to do?' Akin asks in pidgin English, explaining why he turned to a life of Internet crime. 'It is my God-given talent. Our politicians, they do their own; me, I'm doing my own. I feed my family - my sister, my mother, my popsie. Man must survive.'

The scams perpetrated by Akin and his comrades are many and varied: Moneygram interceptions, Western Union hijackings, check laundering, identity theft, and outright begging, with tall tales of dying relatives and large sums of money in search of safe haven. One popular online fraud often practiced by women (or boys pretending to be women) involves separating lonely men from their money.

Attempts to speak to government officials about Internet crime were futile. They all claimed ignorance of such scams; some laughed it off as Western propaganda.
Some officials, who asked not be identified, said young people are drawn to Internet crime as a way of getting back at a society that has no plans for them. Others see it as a form of reparation for the sins of the West.

Or as Akin puts it, 'White people are too gullible. They are rich, and whatever I gyp them out of is small change to them.'
2011-10-02, 22:09:50
lalo from United States  
can anyone tell me her real name? somebody is using her pics to scamm, but i think she is porn star, can anyone kknows her site? if anyone knows it can you tell me the name of the site.
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