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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2012-02-15, 04:23:07
anonymous  
More scammer spin about refugee camps to play on your sympathy to get you to send money. The girl's pics and template on scam site 419.bittenus.com !

[ Alexina Wilfred: I am more than happy419.bittenus.com/11/12/alexinawilfred.htmlCached
Dec 10, 2011 – From: Alexina Wilfred < 0alexina00@att.net > To: Sent: Thursday ... From: Alexina Wilfred < alexinawilfred@ymail.com > Sent: Saturday ...]



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2012-02-20, 06:38:05
anonymous from London, United Kingdom  
Hi, gents, been talking to a Diana Moskvina, 29, from Pavlovo, Niizhny Novgovrod, clearly a scammet her are a load of pics, any one else seen her?


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2012-02-24, 12:29:27
anonymous  
I am going along with one of these at the moment just to see how closely they follow the script down to the end. The amazing thing to me is just how good your english has to be in order to write it so badly on purpose. Typing in an accent is not normal. She will be in Moscow soon and will be looked at ' like an enemy'. I think when the request for money comes I am going to say that I am waiting for my funds from Nigeria to clear the bank.


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2012-02-24, 16:58:15
Malek  
The name that they used for this pics. is Larisa Naoumkina.
Russian gangs exist mainly from guys.

Scammer's List : Russia, Moscow, Larisa, 27
http://www.scammerl..id/614268

Photo album of this gril, probably stolen from this site ?
http://www.scammerl..oheader=1

Reagrds


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2012-02-25, 17:34:46
wtank@sasktel.net from Canada  
rating
Hello I am from canada and have been contacted by steveruthtravel And a man calling himself Steve chattaway saying he has been contacted by someone to set up a travel visa to come meet me
When I asked who, he was puzzled then said oh you don't know this person.
I said I met this girl ........
I asked if he could supply picture to make sure same girl,he said will call her in and trick her into providing a picture
Any way he is listed on here I will tell him to get lost
He does have my phone number
Wish me luck
The girls picture and profile is l.one89@yahoo.co.uk
Girl is called Tracy
I don't know how to upload the picture
2012-02-25, 20:24:59
Dirk from Kerkrade, Netherlands  
2012-02-25, 17:34:46
wtank

I don't know how to upload the picture


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2012-02-26, 12:01:49
anonymous  
2012-02-27, 06:54:17
faruk1704  
actually am also suspecting scammers on ma account on facebook
first, i got a message on facebook from Doren Donma saying that she read ma profile on fb that she's in love with me that she wants to know ma whereboutsthat i should also send her ma e-mail address so that we could share our photos . it' the same message ma brother showed me, i just we were scammed.
Recently the same message i recieved from a different person this time from the so called lilian soumah, en they have a similar character of insisting that do tell anyone about it this means they doing to alot of pipo, so they don't want u to share it with anyone.
now what should we do to avoid them, because some of us are not well conversant with computers,i just see it in a cafe where i surf from.........???
2012-02-28, 03:19:30
anonymous from Italy  
2012-02-28, 10:30:19
OJAS from United States  
2012-03-01, 08:05:39
anonymous from Hamden, United States  



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2012-03-07, 02:29:31
anonymous from Nigeria  
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2012-03-09, 11:50:03
anonymous from Mexico  
Hello My Dearest
I am more than happy in your reply to my mail.How was your day?.i hope you had a wonder full sweet day,i really thanks God for his infinite Mercy upon me in this my wilderness experience. Mine was hot over here in Dakar Senegal.My name is JENIFER DAVIDS single 24 years and never married, i am from IVORY COAST in West Africa and presently i am residing in the refugee camp here in Dakar Senegal as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country. My late father Dr DAVIDS WALTER. was the chairman managing director DAVIDS INDUSTRIAL COMPANY LTD, in Monrovia and he is also the personal adviser to the former head oaf state before the rebels attacked our house one early a morning and killed my father. Due to the sudden death of my father , my mother had a blood pressure with resulted to her death after four a month my beloved father left us.It was only me that is alive now and managed to make our way to near by country Senegal where i am living now as a refugee. Due to the maltreatment am receiving from my step mother.I would like to know more about you.I am in love with you. Your likes and what you dislikes,your hobbies and what you are doing presently. I will tell you more about myself in my next mail. Attached here is my picture . Hoping to hear from you soonest,
Yours Forever.
JENIFER
2012-03-16, 05:20:10
anonymous from Canada  



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