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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2012-04-23, 01:08:38
anonymous from Austria  
Laures Krister
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2012-04-23, 20:03:04
anonymous from United States  
LEARN TO ME REAL GOOD SCAMMER'S , FIRST OF ALL YOU COULD WASTED YOUR TIME CALLING AT MY HOME & PLACE OF BUSINESS AND ALSO SENDING ME LETTER'S WITH NUDE PHOTO'S OF STOLEN PICTURE'S OF PORN-STAR'S WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO BOTHER TO OPEN AND THROW THEM IN THE TRASH ! IF YOUR GOING TO THREATEN ME WITH VIOLENCE I GOT TO WARN YOU THAT I HAVE EIGHT-BODYGUARD'S WHO HAPPEN TO BE FORMER ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES COMMANDO. THEY KNOW MARTIAL ARTS OF HAGANAH , KAPAP , AND KRAV MAGA . PLUS THEY ALL ARMED . AND YOU WILL FIND THAT I OWNED A TOTAL FOUR- HALF-BULLDOG & HALF-PITBULL TERRIER WHO WILL TAKE YOU ARM OFF FROM YOUR SHOULDER'S !
2012-04-24, 16:21:56
anonymous  
i have been scammed for money by this lady.
her name is supposed to be evgeniya rubtsova born 10th august 1985 from 18 to 46 mira kazan.
i knew something was wrong but took a chance anyway.
we have been in contact since december 2011 until the 22nd of april 2012.
she is a pretty lady and to be honest not a good liar.
but i smelt a rat 8 weeks ago but was foolish enough to fall into the honey trap.


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2012-05-07, 09:21:25
anonymous  
This site was extremely helpful. I am a 62 year old woman who joined an online dating site called Mate 1. I met a man named Bobby Fletcher who says he resides in NYC, and has a home in NYC. Says that he has two small children and that his wife died in childbirth with the second one. He says that he is an engineer and so is his sister, Nina. He even had Nina chat with me on yahoo, etc. All of a sudden he tells me that he has to go to Nigeria to work on a bridge constrution site and kept in touch and then all of a sudden he had a fall off a cliff and has a head injury and is in St. Nicholas Hospital in Nigeria and his assistant, Kennedy, is handling things because Bobby is in and out of consciousness calling my name. The answers to my questions are vague and I started putting things together. I did give my email and my phone numbers, but fortunately have not spoken with him or his sister. I am going to block the emails and delete both of them from yahoo. So glad I read this. I am a counselor and an intelligent woman. These guys are really slick. I am done with dating sites. We all hear success stories and we want to believe that there are really good people out there because we hear their stories that they met their partner on an online dating site. Whew.....so glad I read this this morning.

Unbeliever in PA
2012-05-07, 23:44:55
anonymous from United States  
WELL TO LET PEOPLE KNOW A FEW THINGS ON SCAMERS, THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. BUT ALSO SO SHOULD BE , GOOD AT WHAT WE DO. KEEP YOUR WALLET AT HOME OK. LOCK YOUR DOORS TO YOUR HOUSE. WHEN YOU ARE AWAY. IF YOU THINK AFRUCA HAS THE ONLY SCAMERS , YOU ARE WRONG. U.S.A. DOES DO . AND IF THEY KNOW WERE YOU LIVE , WELL YOU KNOW WHATS NEXT RIGHT. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIND A GOOD HONEST AND TRUTHFUL LADY HERE OK. ALL I EVER FIND IS SCAMERS , WHORES , OR JUST PLAN KNOW GOOD WOMAN OK. I,M SAYING ALL ARE BAD. EVEN GOT TO THEM YET OK. THERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT GOOD OUT THERE , BUT JUST KEEP WALLET LOCKED UP AND YOUR HOUSE LOCKED OK. AND CHAT ALL YOU WANT WITH THEM. BUT YOU KNOW WHEN TO GO HOME .. I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND . THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS ALSO IT HELPS ME TO .. THANK YOU ..


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2012-05-07, 23:55:42
anonymous from United States  
SOMETIMES WE FALL IN LOVE WITH A NICE LADY , WELL WE THINK SHE IS ANY WAY. BUT A FEW DAYS DOWN THE ROAD, OR MAYBE A MONTH, WE HAVE E-MAILED THEM OR CHATED WITH THEM, THEN IT TURNS OH BOY !! FOR REAL NOW SHE COMES ON GOOD NOW, SEND ME THIS SEND ME THAT. YOU TOLD ME YOU LOVED ME , SEND ME 100.00 USD OR MY MOM IS REAL SICK. NEEDS MORE MONEY. WELL GUYS IT,S TIME TO COME HOME OK, CLOSE THE BAR. AND GO HOME . SHE IS A REAL SCAMER FOR REAL AND IT BLOW YOU RIGHT OUT OF THE WATER. YOU REALLY LOVED HER , WELL SHE KNEW THAT. BEFORE HAND . THEY ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. BE GOOD TO YOURSELF OK. JUST MOVE ON LOOK MORE. THAT DAY WILL COME YOU MISS RIGHT OK . THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS ALSO. THIS GIRL I PUT HERE IS A REAL GO GETER OK SHE WILL TAKE IT ALL IF YOU LET HER . SHE LIKE A LOT OF MEN . AND I KNOW THERES MEN HERE WHO KNOW HER ALSO. SHE IS A GOOD SEX QUEEN.


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2012-05-08, 14:32:02
anonymous  
2012-05-11, 11:30:09
anonymous from United States  
Has anyone ever heard of Ola Ojo Temitope Vincent?
2012-05-14, 00:28:44
anonymous from South Africa  
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These poeple must be locked up as they do give physical addresses, why are they still out there??
2012-05-14, 10:51:19
anonymous from South Africa  
I recently was contacted by a woman claiming to be Lidiya Sergeevna Taritsyna. She is apparently looking to leave Russia and look for work in a foreign country and needs a 'friend' to show her around... Currently in Moscow as a tourist claiming she feels 'left out' and 'like a stranger'. She has sent me over 50 pictures of herself (58 to be exact) and 2 of which are seductive... She says she has fallen in love with me and has all her documentation ready and will have confirmation of her flight to Johannesburg International withing the next few days... No request for money so far as she says everything is sorted...( i didnt even mention money) Also says she will be staying in a flat with some girls in JHB that her 'agency' has organised for her.....

Does anyone out there have any advise as to what i should do or say to her?? i have read she is a scam artist, but im also interestedin seeing how far she will acctually go....




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2012-05-14, 13:12:38
OJAS from United States  
@Protea 2012-05-14, 10:51:19,
Keep sending "her" to bank http://www.delphifa..32#163684

Grande Finale start with http://www.delphifa..tm#168643

Looking forward to a exciting tour of England! :-)
2012-05-15, 17:06:22
OJAS from United States  
2012-05-16, 02:46:04
anonymous from United States  
ANYONE NO THIS WOMAN??SHE GOES BY THE NAME MONICA BROWN????SHE IS ONLY HERE ONLINE SEEKING MONEY FROM MEN!!!!!!!!!


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2012-05-16, 02:46:43
anonymous from United States  
HERES ANOTHER ONE


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2012-05-16, 02:47:47
anonymous from United States  
ANYONE NO THIS WOMAN?????
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