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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2012-06-05, 12:10:57
anonymous from United States  



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2012-06-05, 12:11:29
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2012-06-05, 12:11:58
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2012-06-05, 12:13:10
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2012-06-10, 20:44:20
chinesepeony  
Recently, I joined a site which was introduced to me by a friend, with no intention of dating anyone. Since I travel quite a lot, I'd like to share information and ideas of my travels. For the past 2 weeks I've been corresponding with a 'Frank Lee' and 'Edwin Fransix'. I've very strong suspicion that they are scams. 'Frank Lee' has sent the same e-mail twice. While 'Edwin Fransix' wanted me to disclose my personal information to a certain financial institution to collect USD 3.5 Million on his behalf. I have not written to both of them since. Now thinking back, I'm afraid that they may use my pictures and ID for other sites as scams. Appreciate any advice on what should or should not do next.

Regards,
Chinesepeony


Below are samples of their e-mail:


FRANK LEE

This was sent on Saturday, 9 June 2012, 23:39 and another on Saturday, 26 May 2012, 3:41

From: Frank Lee <frank.lee0610@yahoo.co.uk>
To: xxxxx
Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 23:39
Subject: HELLO MY DEAR

Hello pretty lady xxxxx,

Am really happy to hear from you after I had sent you the email. How are you? I just check my email now when I saw your massage. I will plan to visit you in your country, It will help us to know more. Well I don't mind religion, tribe or culture, as long as I can get real friendship and ideal love from you then I am fine and satisfied. What you will like to get out of this friendship assuming it grows positively.

Well,l think i should let you know what i need from my kind of woman,firstly..she must be caring, must be honest, truthful, trustworthy and a woman/friend that will never give me a doubt over. I believe in matured woman with experience because i discovered that most young women are after sex. A friend who can be there for me whenever i'm in need to see her. I am looking for a God fearing woman to spend the rest of my life with --that's why i don't rush because i have the believe that someday she s going to come my way....advice you get to know me by heart to see if I am a God fearing man myself. l don't believe in age when it comes to relationship all l want is a woman that will make me happy and make me feel so good and will be faithful in all things that she says to me and always be there for me to lean on. I've promised my God to stick with only one woman and he should just be ready to stay with me and i'll be her man forever.

One thing I would like to seek from you is HONEST, I want us to be honest to each other in everything we do, of course you would agree with me that honest is the key to a good and lasting relationship, without truth we cannot move forward. I believe in co-operate existence in my relationship which I believe is the best for a matured relationship. I believe love to be the power that can bring two together from a far or near and I hope you will get hold of this point as I do too.I have to stop here hoping to hear from you soon. Take your time and write to me, I will be highly honored to read your massages OK

Frank.


Then he sent another e-mail on Sunday, 27 May 2012, 23:29 and on Monday, 11 June 2012, 5:46.


From: Frank Lee <frank.lee0610@yahoo.co.uk>
To: xxxxx
Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2012, 23:29
Subject: I MISS YOU HONEY.

My darling xxxxx,

How are you doing? and how was your day? I hope you are doing fine. I am happy that we are getting to know each other and we are opening up very well with honesty, Well you will ask God why i like you. Meanwhile i have some questions for you by the way,..... can l trust you? can l believe a word altered by you? are you ready to fall in love ? are you ready to make someone happy? have you ever fall in love and love so much? all i want is love and care.....can you do that for me? if yes..then let see how it work between us. Kindly tell me the best time in which we can meet so we could learn more about each other.
Sweet kisses for my dear.

You don't knows the feeling that I get when I see your email. You don't have idea about what you get to my head whenever i want to read your email to listen to what you have to say. Nobody has ever made me feel like the way you make me feel this way only by reading your words of who you truly are and what you are expecting in a relationship. It feels like I just want to grab you and be in your arms forever and forever and never let go.Let me tell you,i know it has not been long since we met but i am starting to think about you always because you sound like my perfect ideal match. it gives me more and more strength with which to carry on my life that the best is still ahead since i met you. I am happy to meet you and to have this means as a mechanics for our communication to develop a friendship and in turn i hope that we can end up being together if not for friends then something more as am finally getting interested in knowing you more.

Finally my dear,i will like you to be open to me whenever there is something you feel that touches you heart about us because you will always be welcome in my life

Frank.



EDWIN FRANSIX

I was playing along with him to see if he was genuine or not (which also want to make me puke). He has been sending me e-mail and smses but have never called or met. After several correspondences, this was what he sent to me:

From: Edwin Fransix <de.fransix@hotmail.com>
To: xxxxx
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012, 15:45
Subject: You all i want, my soul and my heart desire.


Hi hunny.

After my discussion today with the financial Institution regards to my payment, i told them that i will soon be living to Australia for an important business purposes so i may not be in Malaysia for weeks.They informed me that i have to appoint someone as a representative or next of kin as the legal receiver of the fund so that they can proceed to make the transfer of the fund.Honey,as i said before this contract in Australia has been my dream for long and its capable of turning our lives around for good,i have no one here in Malaysia who i can entrust with this.Kindly suggest of what you think in this matter, i strongly trust that you can stand for me even if i am not there and your co operation on this matter will be highly appreciated by me in every way.

Where are you now, i miss and love you.
Hugs and kisses.


This e-mail below, he attached 2 documents, which I did some investigation on my own and found out to be fakes.

From: Edwin Fransix <de.fransix@hotmail.com>
To: xxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012, 11:31
Subject: I love you with all my heart...


Hi darling angel,

My angel regarding my trip to Australia i have decided to travel today but promising to come back soon, because i can no longer wait to be with you all, you both are all i desire, never thought i will ever feel and fall in love again after the death of my ex-wife, ...can't wait to be in your warm arms of love soon and speak with you all through the night.

Angel i have drop a copy of my authentified document of agreement and payment,dropping it not because of what you wrote, neither because i need you to trust me... but rather, to make you see the reason when i say am a straight and principle man. nevertheless my love i have dropped your infomation with the financial institution for them to be able to contact you in my absence and for you to take care of things before i comes soon. You are truly a lady after my own heart{the only woman in my heart,SOUL AND MIND..my wife to be}, remember i will not wish to have a third party in our affairs...as i said am a principle man that love things to be done well.

Love you with all my heart.
Muaaaah, sweet hug and kisses.
2012-06-11, 23:20:14
anonymous from United States  
im new to this. im wondering if anyone has of this gal munib nina husseini address;kaneshie-accra--ghana-west00233 e-mail: ninah101@ymail.com...just money from me yet..


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2012-06-12, 01:10:03
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2012-06-11, 23:20:14 anonymous from United States - im new to this. im wondering if anyone has of this gal munib nina husseini address ?

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2012-06-12, 11:09:49
Malek  
2012-06-16, 08:58:05
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2012-06-22, 15:15:14
anonymous  
Has anyone had any communication with this guy? He claims his name is Aleksi Gallagher from Canton, GA. His email is aleksigallagher@yahoo.com. He is calling me from Ghana 011-233-26-446-4004. He pulled the had to go to Ciaro for telecommunications installation after chatting with him for 5 days. I met him on Match.com and he has now removed his profile and his face book page. He claims to have a lot of money, but said he lost his luggage and requested I send him undergarmets, toiletry, sandles, and cologne to a Ghana address of 38 Paw Paw St, Accra, Ghana 00233 under emergency terms; then 2 days later he was requesting $6,000, then changed it to $3,000, then said he acquired the money he needed but was short $450 and begged me to send it to him. Unfortunately, I sent the items from the lost luggage, but not the money. He is still texting me and IM me on yahoo. I have only spoken with him once when he claimed he was at the airport leaving for Ciaro, but it was from a private number. He claims he loves me, owns a home in GA, and after some research, found it was foreclosed on and sold at auction in Feb. and was listed under a woman's name. So please if anyone has seen or knows anything about this person, please post it. Thank you, and please ladies be cautious and careful out there.
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2012-06-23, 18:58:24
DOC from United States  
2012-07-01, 23:21:11
anonymous from Canada  
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ok i am not sure if you got my last message but i do have a scammer on my hands his name is Bernard Churchgate and i am very worried and scared now i did give information which was my cell phone and mailing address.. but when i found out eventually that he was a scammer i told him to never contact me and i was not sending any money cause i have none,

could you please help me to stop this guy.. i do no online banking of any kind wha so ever. could you please help i am very scared.. i am not going to be answering any calls what so ever from him now i know that he is a scammer.. please get back to me..
2012-07-02, 07:25:44
Miss Marple from United States  
2012-07-01, 23:21:11
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please go to the male scammer section here on this site instead,i will put here an link for you...

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