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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2013-02-09, 03:38:40
OJAS from United States  
2013-02-09, 20:13:27
OJAS from United States  
2013-02-09, 02:47:39 anonymous from United States,
and interested newbies, compare these 2 profiles:

http://confirio.com/F0U9
http://confirio.com/id/431345
2013-02-10, 03:19:31
anonymous from United States  



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2013-02-10, 04:06:08   (updated: 2013-02-10, 04:19:55)
f_emmitt@yahoo.com from United States  
WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT JANE KIMANNA,LIA 19,I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO HER FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS AND SHE SAYS THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN TAKING HER PICTURES FROM HER WEB SITE AND SCAMMING THEM,I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PICTURES OF HER HERE AND JUST GOT THROUGH TALKING TO HER,SHE SAYS WHAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT HER NOT TRUE,SHE HAS TOLD ME SHE WAS IN PORN,BUT SHE SAID SHE IS NOT IN IT ANY MORE,SO is her site being stolen??E-MAIL ME BACK AT f_emmitt@yahoo.com
2013-02-10, 08:01:34
DOC from United States  
f_emmitt,

It's a new scammer tactic! They tell you some bullshit about how they are not into porn anymore, turn her life around, changed their name, moved to Ghana, someone is using their pics, and claim to be the real porn model in the pics. ALL SCAMMER BULLSHIT!

Post more info on this ''JANE KIMANNA'' like address, phone number, and email address. Thanks!
2013-02-10, 17:34:36
anonymous from United States  
f_emmitt, DOC is 100% right!
Another twist that I am encountering on this tactic is that the women's homes are from all over the globe. London, Melbourn, Indonesia, United States. They begin the scam this way because they know the history of the person in their stolen pictures. After the initial 'wooing', they will sometimes give the history to their proposed victim along with a web page address showing what they want to leave behind. Then begins the manicuring. IE. 'I am only 2 months from completing my Masters Degree here in Ghana.' They will give fake info. right down to the University, complex, department, room number and Professor's name to gain your confidence. Yes, all are authentic pics sent to a proposed victim, even the occasional 'cam-scam' of recorded video has been stolen... but it is who they 'say' they are! Sadly... you learn that, this is not who you have been in contact with when they say, 'I don't want to go home, I want to come to you!' I know the intricateness of this scam. It is intended for a long term set-up and a 'top-dollar' take. Evenso, the monetary loss can begin on the very first night because of her living expences. ~ Bax! Feb.2013

2013-02-11, 16:53:46
OJAS from United States  
Thanks 2013-02-11, 16:27:26 (updated: 2013-02-11, 16:30:02) anonymous http://is.gd/Znx107
2013-02-11, 20:03:42
OJAS from United States  
2013-02-12, 05:23:13
CuriousMale48 from United Kingdom  
This I can see is a very good site to detect scammers.

I am more interested in scammers in Ghana.

But my main question is - Can a scammer answer their phone when you ring them and speak with you?

I am currently chatting with a female, who says that she was born in Sweden, to an English Mother, and a West African Father.

Now according to her, she lives in Southampton, UK, and works as a Beautician, and is currently in Ghana to collect her inheritance from her late father, who has left her in his will Timber, a Gold Mine and 88kilos of gold, which is held in a secure property. As you can gather 88kilos of Gold works out £3million plus. I'm not interested in the money, an have told her son, it does not mean anything to me, and she has accepted that, she tells me she loves me etc.
She has according to her been in Ghana for a week now, and was staying at her late fathers house in Sunyani, Ghana.
I have checked her email address, its is genuine, I have checked her phone number, that is genuine. I have checked the Lawyers email address and phone number, they are genuine.

An URGENT answer on this one please - can give further details,
2013-02-12, 06:58:34   (updated: 2013-02-12, 07:11:19)
anonymous from United States  
CuriousMale48 from United Kingdom - I am more interested in scammers in Ghana. >>>

Ghana is a virtual cesspool for romance scams, 419s, etc. Suggest you do further research starting with the following bulletin circulating from the American Embassy, and a report done by CNN noted below...

Inside the criminal world of Ghana's e-mail scam gangs - CNN.com

www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/04/05/...ghana.sakawa/index.html
Apr 6, 2011 – Motherboard.tv goes to Ghana to learn about Sakawa, a criminal worldof e-mail scammers; Ghana has sophisticated tech infrastructure and ...

Ghana Internet Dating Fraud Scam - Safety & Security - Worldwide 2011

Summary. U.S. Embassy Accra now receives as many as 15 requests per week from Americans all over the US who have lost anywhere from $1,000 to over $20,000 sending money to a fiancé, girlfriend or just a friend in Ghana who they met over the Internet.


This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Blessing Okoh
Dating scammer Kim/ Brittany from Lagos, Nigeria



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2013-02-12, 09:23:59
OJAS from United States  
2013-02-12, 13:40:07
anonymous from United States  
OJAS... what do we have on... raycollinsdesk@wss-id.org ? 165.21.101.74 This thread is tied to my domestic nemesis of 08-12+. 98.138.212.215 & O2-11-13 98.138.85.182 orip 194.134.42.53 I need help with this one and remain patient. ~ Bax! Feb.2013


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2013-02-12, 14:49:31
OJAS from United States  
@Bax,

Make sure you extract the correct sender IP by pasting the Headers (or just any IP) in
http://www.ip2locat..acer.aspx
http://iptrackeronl..eader.php

Also look into http://www.whatismyip.com/

Sometimes wrong IPs get traced to California, like google and yahoo.
Also we know that scammers use American open proxies to hide their location.
2013-02-12, 18:21:57
anonymous from United States  
OJAS; Your message is clear and much gratitude in return. I will strive to master my short-comings, as you bring them to my attention. Google 'IPlookup' was my choice. Proxi & pasting, alien to me. This allows the sender to remain a 'half-step' from grasp. Now, as you see by the document that I shared, they are into everything!.. On a different note, some Nigerian surfers seem to have found a 'nich' at dating sites, corraling customers for the live cam-sex girls. Rather than moving to a private site. This is New to me, motives, intentions unknown. Immediate credit card required. I hope in the long run it proves beneficial for all. Finally; I've found evidence to release one of my unsurees to you. ~ Bax! Feb.2013... Enclosed pic is said evidence. Gathered from Gov. Warning collage. Articles.whmsoft.com


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2013-02-12, 20:12:13   (updated: 2013-02-12, 20:18:32)
DOC from United States  
2013-02-12, 13:40:07 anonymous from United States ~ Bax!

I don't think IRS would write the date on a document 15/09/2012 ;) As you know in the USA we write (month/day/year).

Also last time I checked we live in the United States of America not United State of America as it is on the doc. ;))
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