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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2013-03-14, 18:14:55   (updated: 2013-03-14, 18:21:58)
anonymous from United Kingdom  
I think this girl is a scammer,sent her money 6 months ago aint seen her or the money,she got back to me now and asked for more money so beware please
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Dating scammer Alfred laurent wayne



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2013-03-14, 20:55:34
OJAS from United States  
Sorry UK 2013-03-14, 18:14:55 (updated: 2013-03-14, 18:21:58) you lost money.
Scammer (most likely a MAN) uses stolen pix of Lia http://www.delphifa..p=5#216775
2013-03-14, 23:24:35
anonymous from United States  
...Anonymous 18:53:58
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- To append to your consumer record to improve the accuracy of your information.
•Disclosure of your telephone or mobile telephone number and/or email address you provided to authorized third parties to contact you from time to time by telephone, e-mail or text messaging with news, offers, services and promotions associated with the Western Union Gold Card Programme.

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The Western Union Privacy statement online, gives full info. of the companies allowances and relevant business practice. ~ Bax!
2013-03-15, 18:36:39
anonymous from United States  
... OJAS,
Here's another Nija recluse at work. What do we have as similar, for pattern
comparison specifics?
Should we enter as new If nothing turns up? ~ Bax! Mar.2013

ipTRACKERonline.com'][u][b]Header Analysis Quick Report[/b][/u]<br>[b]Originating IP:[/b] 196.46.246.58<br>[b]Originating ISP:[/b] Celtel Nigeria Limited T.a Zain<br> [b]City:[/b] n/a<br>[b]Country of Origin:[/b] Nigeria<br>* For a complete report on this email header goto [url= http://www.iptracke..KERonline

From Mary Ellen Fri Mar 15 14:25:12 2013
X-Apparently-To: (me) via 98.138.85.179; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:25:21 -0700
Return-Path: <mary.ellen22@yahoo.com>
X-Originating-IP: [72.30.239.19]
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.137.519

email:
Information FromMary Ellen To (me) Here is the information you need to make the money send and send it through western union.
Name : Mary Cooper
Country : Nigeria
State : Osun State
City : Ilesa
Zip Code : 23436

IM:
5:00:14 PM Mary Cooper: When can you make the money send for my ticket and can i give you the information to make it send babe
5:00:45 PM Mary Cooper: Nope you i told you that its 1250 okay
5:01:13 PM Mary Cooper: Nope you i told you that its 1250 okay
5:01:49 PM Mary Cooper: So can i give you the information to make the money send my love

additionals to IC3
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Dating scammer Mary zibore



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2013-03-15, 20:27:26
OJAS from United States  
Thanks Bax 2013-03-15, 18:36:39.
Tineye immediately hits Cierra Spice http://www.delphifa..=2#226314
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@Newbies http://www.delphifa..p=4#133895
2013-03-15, 21:12:32
~Bax! from United States  
... OJSA,
This guy is outrageous! Having an insane fun time, messing-up his night! LOL

Mary Cooper: Keep the infor for 1250 and give me tbe infor for 100 to take cab to airport ok
Mary Cooper: Then give me the information then
Mary Cooper: Then how am going to get to airport if you cant even give me the infor to get the money for cab
Mary Cooper: Please keep your fucking information if you cant give it to me now2
(me): please sleep now my love tomorrow tell travel agent
(me): travel agent with the document
(me): when i see this my fear is no more and you have all money to travel and cab and ticket and sleep to rest now baby!
Mary Cooper: Fuck off game player, i hate you
(me): PLease baby do not be angry for I LOVE YOU
(me): everything is only for you and our family ok?
(me): please sleep now because you must rest now!
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Dating scammer James Morrison
Dating scammer martha banyah



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2013-03-16, 11:08:24
OJAS from United States  
Does your scammer like fake video? http://youtu.be/vRx_fGwfdgo
He'd love this! http://youtu.be/QvWj18LeU1g
2013-03-16, 16:47:13
OJAS from United States  
@Bax http://www.delphifa..59#240879

Your travel agent found the best deal, and sent money to nigerianairway@ymail.com
Your "girlfriend" has to ask them for a bank draft to cover the total expenses needed for taxi fare, airline ticket, and other travel expenses, and should let them know "she" will return the excess balance after reaching "her" destination! ;)
2013-03-16, 19:27:42
~Bax! from United States  
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...Wow! So happy! and hope this is one of you guys at this Airline e-mail!
I want to know that she is completely safe! In good hands!


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2013-03-16, 19:38:54
OJAS from United States  
2013-03-17, 13:01:15
anonymous from United States  



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2013-03-19, 16:15:22
anonymous from Serbia  
On Fri, 3/8/13 from ericaenrico0909 : Where have you been, i thought you've forgotten me, You are always on my mind ad i really want every thing to be alright with us, but it seems that you don't trust me, Sorry about your mom, i hope she's feeling better now, I really want to meeet you in person because we have so much to share and to explore together, But A long distant relationships easy? Well, sadly the answer is no. However, you need to really love the person and willing to do what it takes to make your relationship work. If the bond between the couple is really strong, even distance will bring the two of you closer but serious attempts must be made to make a relationship grow deeper, You know i told you that i have planing to be back to the state, What i really mean by that is that i have make some deposition for a airline ticket before, So now that we want to meet for real, I would have to change my new destination to your nearest airport and i haven't paid them off for the airline ticket, I need $ 590 to balance for it, So getting the $ 590 is that only problem i have and if you can get me the funds sent, I will pay them off and have my flight details sent to you and i will leave here as soon as possible and get there in your arms.


Here is the details for you to send me the money via western Union if really you want me there with you,

NAME : ERICA ENRICO
COUNTRY : NIGERIA
CITY : OSOGBO
STATE : OSUN STATE
ZIP-CODE : 23401


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2013-03-19, 16:28:26
anonymous from Serbia  
To Bax (from United States). This is the last e-mail from ericaenrico0909 (03/13/2013, 17:18) : I will do anything to be with you for real and i promise never to let you down..my dreams are to build up a family with having our kids run round the house and having a happy family together and building our home to a very strong limit that no matter wat others might say it wont affect the love we both have for each other;.i have no secrets cause when the truth is in you there is no way u can keep any secret my heart is so pure and open that the truth in me is plainlly open..my whole life is based on truth and i know the truth and the beauty of our love will lead us to a happy family and a great home...


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2013-03-19, 17:32:26
Bax from United States  
NIce post Serbia!!

but Dude!!... Y4 you try to take my sweetie away?? LOL!!


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2013-03-19, 18:25:59
~Bax! from United States  
Don't you just hate it when your scammer listens to other scammers instead of you?!?!
Bet I can still get him to e-mail you at the ticket counter OJAS.

Mary Cooper: I have ask soo many people here and they told me the samething that nothing is like nigeriaairline and check it out your self and email me all the infor they give you therw
Last message received on 3/19 at 5:55 PM
(me): Sweetheart please do not be afraid to find out yourself other people only want your money!!
Mary Cooper: If you know that you cant send the money to my agent let forget it okay
Mary Cooper: Or you send it to me so let forget it
Last message received on 3/19 at 7:02 PM
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