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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2013-07-20, 12:27:12
~Bax! from United States  
Nigerian Internet,
July 20 2013, hilarious p-call of yahooyahoo boy and next victim.

http://naijagists. -telephon

2013-07-20, 12:30:57
Bax from United States  

2013-07-21, 00:09:12
The person shown in picture is now going by Marshel Omar gives out phone number +233234757826 Email Address at marshel20@gmail,com
Profiles 112963335197210649157
She ask for funds the way she put it to help with her Birthday party when I said no never herd from again

2013-07-21, 12:19:52   (updated: 2013-07-21, 12:28:51)
anonymous from United States  
Sunday, 21 July 2013

This article does an excellent job! Showing the ritualistic beliefs and
chosen life style which are commonly hidden and practiced by many
who profess to Love Jesus and to be your online soul-mate.

Before you read this you must understand. True Christian worship declares
such practice to by satanic. The article is not common to the general public
but is descriptive as written, to a specific human anomaly cult.

This is the mentality of the online romance scammer!

This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Edmund Lopez
Dating scammer Annie Marie Loutctos

2013-08-07, 12:42:22
anonymous from Bridgeton, United States  
I be in touch with a girl from Ghana city kumasi shee ask me to send her money to buy a web cam ,shee said cam cost 100.00 dollars,and we can seeit each other,shee used the name Real_Happiness,I diden't send the money yet.because I dont trusted. what you can tell me.I wan here from you Thank you.
2013-08-07, 18:54:34
Bax from United States  
Friend @ Bridgeton,

Do not waste your money or your time!

Open this link to see Kumasi.

Post more about your contact, if you need more help here.
2013-08-13, 02:49:49   (updated: 2013-08-13, 02:54:26)
anonymous from United States  
still have 99% thought i am into a scam? last letter only mentioned of her spending 60$ towards a passport. I norder to come to me,previous letter i clearly mentioned going to russia first!meet her and family. i have learned to look for red flages! most point to a scam, still she has not asked for a cent,ithat 1% doubt do i confront her ? end letters? will harrasment follow?need some help!
2013-08-13, 02:57:16
anonymous from United States  
await some answer?{quote}
2013-08-13, 02:59:04
anonymous from United States  
do you want her email address?
2013-08-13, 06:59:18
Bax from United States  
Anonymous @ U.S.A.,

Enter all of the information which you have recieved, into a simitar Russian scammet thread here.
You will see reports and be in contact with the people who are happy to answer all of your questions with the most experiance. Someone is always here to help you get started.
2013-08-13, 08:08:44
anonymous from United States  
hello! I'm writing to you as soon as I can! I am busy with many arrangements! Today I
was in the travel agency and I received an information about my trip! I will be very thankful to you if you can meet me at the Airport!
I will arrive to you on Sunday, 18 August I shall inform number of flight, the terminal and an arrival time
probably Friday or on Saturday. more in detail look at the end of the letter. I copied the information of agency!
I hope so much it's a good day for you to meet me! I am so glad to see that we are almost near our goal,and our meeting wait for us.
I think I will call you from airport before my flight. You know I booked tickets on Sunday, 18 August flight and I will buy them before
my interview. People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay illegally, so I need to buy round trip tickets (with returning date).

For truth I did not expect I will need to buy round trip tickets, but now I see that its a very strict rule..:-(
I wanted to ask you about electronic tickets but they (agency) tell that I can't use because it is their business to arrange all travel details
and they have some extra money from all the things, you see it is just business... :-(
I think that you will be able to help me because I don't know anybody here and only you are my hope now, I think everything in your hands and I believe that you will not leave
me here alone. please borrow some money. I am sure I will be able to return all your money back after a few weeks, I will get salary and I will collect the sum I own from you.
To be fair I am not sure I know what to say because I hate to ask but now I have no different way, you see.Please help me it is only money
and much more important if we will meet in person I will do my best, you wont be disappointed. I see that it sounds a little crazy
but I can't believe that in the worst case I have to return home,they all will laugh at me.I think it rests with you to decide and I feel that
you will help me because you are kind.
I have about 300 US dollars yet and I think I need about 970 US dollars from your side with all travel needs and living here till my
flight! (I had 1190 dollars, but flight from Barnaul, opening visa, medical insurance and all travel needs costed about 800 dollars).
I was sure that my mom will help me because she promised but now she sent letter that it is possible only in a few months or so because of family problems.
and she can't send transfer now.I was in the bank to try to ask them about loan but they tell I have to have something to stay them
and I have nothing to stay because I have only a few dress and things, some perfume and it is all I have, and small gift for you from Russia with love.

please send it today or tomorrow by Money Gram or .... by Western Union
I will write you details of my MANAGER in AGENCY:

First name: NATALIA
Last name: PERICOVA

Also I've got an advice to send you a scan copy of her passport in case you need to confirm her details.
this is her full name used in all official documents.
I want to say you that my passport will be in the embassy few days
and I will not be able to get it to show in Money Gram or in Western Union office.
Manager of my agency Natalia will receive the money and will immediately give money to me.
I will be very grateful for that.I know that I make for you a lot of troubles.

I will call you as soon as I receive it. When I receive the money I will pay for my trip and only then the embassy will put all final stamps on my documents.
I've bought you few souvenirs with Russian attributes!!! I'm sure you will like them! If you need something more please let me
know, they are not expensive. Also I bought two boxes of Russian chocolate! I hope so much when I come to you we will like each other!
You are already very special to me! Please when I come to you tell me more about you and your country!
I will listen to everything you tell me and I will do everything you tell me! I trust you really much! I hope you will not do something to hurt my feelings....
I think you are really good man. I will never do anything to hurt yours!!! By statistics Moscow is the second most expensive city in the
world after Tokyo... everything is so expensive here... and I have to pay for my rent and food and buy tickets.. please help me..
Sorry if I missed something or didn't comment please let me know I was so busy with with all preparations!


> TRAVEL INFO : Alyona Yalovskaya
&g- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> © Travel Agency 'Mosk-Tour'.
&g- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> TRAVEL INFO : Alyona Yalovskaya - private tour.(work visa)
> Russian-English
&g- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Travel dates for: Ms. Alyona Yalovskaya Please label the inside and outside of each piece of baggage to
> be checked in with your name and where possible your address. Suitable baggage labels and
> stickers are available free of charge. In advance of your journey. Please note the current free baggage allowance included in your
> ticket price. You can find this information in the internet or via your Airline contact person. In case you booked a special fare
> please note that it can be subject to restrictions. Travel Abroad: When preparing to travel
> abroad for less than 5 months,it is important to ensure entry to another country. Depending on the country to be visited and the worker's
> nationality, it may be necessary to apply for a visitor visa.The worker must have: a valid passport or travel
> document, valid visa. Furthermore, page 4 must be signed by the RO. No special permission is needed, but it is important to have a valid
> passport,valid visa and all travel documents.

> Thank you for your booking and have a pleasant journey. Kind regards.'Mosk-Tour' is a licensed and officially
> registered travel agency. Travel agency 'Mosk-Tour'.

> Our goal is to provide quality services for group and individual travelers.
&g- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please use our service. managers: Natalia
&g- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The nearest possible flight is - Sunday, 18 August 2013. From Russia, Moscow,Sheremetyevo Inter Airport.
> Price: foreign passport,visa,tax,consulate fee,ticket Eco.class.USD 1270.00+
&g- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This reservation will be automatically cancelled if the order is not purchased until Saturday, 17 August 2013.

This fake mess had my dying laughing, because I spotted it the first time I got the first email!!!!!

2013-08-13, 18:45:30   (updated: 2013-08-13, 18:47:51)
Miss Marple from United States  
RE:2013-08-13, 08:08:44
anonymous from United States

This girls photos are abused by Russian scammers and reported before on this forum as Natalia Ivanova,please update the existing thread with mails and photos .

Dating scammer Natalia Ivanova

Other scam reports:

2013-08-17, 14:21:36
I am receiving these same emails from'serviceman/kabul,afghanistan using name roberts,josh also of 'himself in uniform;him & two others in helicopter,himw/daughter, & him on motorcycle. only suspicious (so-far) but cannot verify actuality of 'roberts; because of his 'confidential assignment abroad . Not even his ONLY relative 'Morgan' his mom caring for his daughter in her homeland can pass along 'confidential jnfo' ! Sounds familiar HUH ? Glad I found this site to read! THANKS ...
2013-08-17, 19:36:03
~Bax! from United States  
Anonymous friend,

Yes this incident does sound familiar. Your questions can be verified easily
by using the picture search at the bottom of the page. If they hit you will
see past reports and information thru the included links.
2013-08-18, 11:37:47
hi this is Raven smith or Raven Olabode from nagiria lagos living with his granny .. she has't no phone ...she want money for buying foodsttuf...

Name: Raven Olabode
Country: Nigeria
State: Lagos
Question: What is my favorite color
Answer: Blue
Zipcode: 23401
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