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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2008-12-13, 15:56:31
anonymous from Spain  
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And at tis mail DADE NELSON OR FATIMAH NELSON GIVE THE NAME OF Babajide Ayodeji to make a Transfer with Western Bank, and the idiot and bastard asked me to sen him (here) the confidential information about my Bank Account. this Stupid person think his is very clever but his is less intelliget than a fly.

The information!!!‏
De: dade nelson (dadenelson01@yahoo.com)
Enviado: domingo, 14 de diciembre de 2008 0:42:57
Para: XXXX

My Darling,
This is my school accounting officer's Information. Send the money to my School accounting Officer information, he will help me to get the money from Western Bank ....
Name.....Babajide Ayodeji.
State.........Delaware.
City........New Castle.
Zip Code.......19702.
Country.........USA.
Text Question ..... What is the Colour,
Text Answer ..... Blue.
Please remember to send me the following details (Sender's name and address, text question and answer, the amount sent and the Control number ), because i will need this information, to get the money here.
Fatimah.



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2008-12-14, 15:04:11
alonzomax@hotmail.com from Venezuela  
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hello alonzo! thank you! it's good to write you again! excuse me for previous letter....

I think I'm a lucky girl to meet such good man as you in Internet! I hope I will be lucky enough to meet you

in the real life!!! yesterday I told my parents about you.

they said that now they don`tworry about me as before because now they know you are a kind man

and can help me if I will need your help. You can show me your city and

tell me about the life over there! I think I didn't write you I like cooking.

I will cook Russian cuisine for you! Pelmeni, vareniki, blini, borsch, okroshka!

You will like it! Besides Russian cuisine I like Italian and Mexican. I love

spaghetti and pizzza!!!!! mmmmmmm ! I can't live without it! I like

Mexican food because it's very spicy, although I don't cook Mexican

dishes too often. I've been told my cooking is very tasty!

I like to cook cakes. my favorite is cheese-cake with raspberry! You

know... when I talk about food I'm getting hungry ))) I eat everything

and I'm not on any diets but usually I don't eat after 7 pm. This

helps me not to be fat! I can cook many tasty things for you when we will meet! You know..

almost all Russian men are like bears! They are so rude, they can't be nice

and polite, they don't want to have a family. I think you are not like them.

I like to go to the cinema! I really like to watch a good movie with

my friends. 50 percents of movies in our cinemas are Russian and about 50

American. actually my favorite actor is William Smith and I like all movies with

him. I've watched 'Hancock' Have you seen it?

could you recommend me any American movie so I can watch it?

What is your favorite movie and actor? Soooooooooooooooo......... what else could I say?

I have a driver's licence but I don't have a car. My father has a

russian car and he gives me his car sometimes.

I don`t like only cinema! I like theatre and opera too, I like ballet.

Unfortunately there is only one small theatre in my city and there is

nothing interesting. If I want to go to ballet, for example, I should

go to Krasnojarsk, there sometimes can come famous Russian actors and

dancers but I can't go there often because it's quite expensive.

By, the way, one thing else about my trip. Agency will help me to rent a room

to stay near my future work. I will share this room with a few girls yet,

it is usual procedure and it helps to pay the rent (it will be cheaper).

And I have a question, is it normal if we will like each other may be it is

possible to live together?of course if you or somebody doesn't mind.

As you know I will stay there for three months but If I will like there I will be

able to prolong my trip. I think I will be able to improve my english and you can learn Russian

and I think it will help us to learn each other better,who knows.Do you have a big

wide bed?(joke). And now I have some good news for you! After sending this email I will

go home, take my packed bags and go to Krasnojarsk! From there I will fly to Moscow! I`m

really afraid to fly on a plane! I hope my plane will not fall down! I'm really afraid!

It is several hours from Krasnojarsk to Moscow.

when I come to Moscow and settle down I will write you an email. I

hope today I will be able to write you. Please don't worry about me

if you don't hear from me today, that will mean I was not able to

find a place to stay and I will write you tomorrow.

In Moscow I will spend a week or maybe even more, I should make all

final arrangements with my documents and after it I will come to you!

I've never been to Moscow before and I'm so nervous now... I've never

went somewhere alone and now I should go alone to such big city!

I really want to talk to you by phone, but as I don`t have a mobile

phone, I will find a public phone in Moscow with international calls.

you know... I had such great desire to start my trip already.. and now

I feel myself like a newborn kitten who has even didn't open it's

eyes... I just want to hug my mommy and don't want to go anywhere...

but I know that's my dream to start a new life and I will try to turn

in to reality! Soon you will hear some news from me from

Moscow!!!!!!!!




hope I'm only for you! love you and kisses!




I send you promised photos! yoElizaveta



























>
thanks for your sincerity .now you must to now a 3 things too .(wow your are beatifull , i can't stop to see your photos. jjejejejeje...........

probably already you suspect it , I was married two times , I have a chid you will see him in a photo . I live whit him My last marriage finished 2 years ago . she said that I AM UNBEARABLE JEJE AND SHE WAS NOT SUPPORTING MY SON (HE IS NOT HER SON ) (ITS A LARGE HISTORY (whit another 35 years old woman )and I HOPE DONT SCARY YOU!!!!)



i live in apartment whit my son and a service woman who helps me whit him, cause I don have much time for him only sunday but I always be tired CAUSE, i'm coming at midnight every day well I will write you soon I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY NEXT MONDAY CAUSE THEY NEED A SALESMAN THERE , just for A WEEK. I DONT LIKE THAT BUT.........! ITS A 7 HOURS TRAVEL IM NOT A GOOD DRIVER JEJEJE I HATE PLANES SO I`ll try to write you in a cyber cafe i am not sure if they have internet there I`LL give you more info and my telephone numbers too

> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:18:07 +0300

> From: lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net

> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com

> Subject: ..I amsorry for my strange attitude!

>

> hello again..!!I just want to add few things...

> I think last time I wrote you not all my thoughts...

> My mind is always in a mess when I write you because

> it's hard to write everything to somebody who is so far away. I don't

> remember if I wrote last time I've never been married, don't have

> kids but I love them and they love me! I

> And I want to tell you that I always wanted to find an older man.

> Why? I have two answers..

> Firstly, I think older men are much more serious and they can take

> care of me, they are more experienced in life and can teach me many

> things. Have you heard a saying 'The older the violin, the sweeter the

> music'? I believe in it... I think I'm not that young already but I

> don't have much experience in life and I want to have someone who has

> more experience in life then me.

> Secondly... maybe I'm not right about it... but I want to be honest

> I've always had such worry... if I marry a man nearly my age...

> and after some years I will become not that young and beautiful... I

> think it's more hard for a woman to be attractive then for a man...

> and he will find a younger mistress and I will become very miserable.

> I don't want my man to be unfaithful. I know I can be faithful to my

> man and I will never cheat on him.

> But this is just my worries. This is not my goal. Please tell me if

> you think you will love your woman at any age and not find a younger

> one? Can you be faithful?

> Also I want to tell you that I learned english in university, so I don`t

> use any translators, and I can speak english as good as I write on it.

> I hope we will have no problems in communications. I feel that

> you are very nice man I really want to meet you. If you will not like

> me or something else we can be just friends.

> I hope I will get my work visa soon in Moscow and all documents and I

> come to you! I don't have any area limits with this visa so I can work

> where I want. I don`t know exact day of my arrival, but as soon as I will

> know I will write it to you.

> You know, I'm just trying to be honest with you and write you all my thoughts on

> different issues. Please be always honest with me also....

>

> I am sending you two naked photos. I am sorry for my strange attitude.

> My thought are so contradictive about us. These pictures was taken by my girlfriend after our dancing lessons.

> I want you to see all of my body so you know how I look and don't get too much surprised after we meet.

> I understand that it is important to all men and you're not the exception. I respect men's attitude.

> Once again, I am sorry and I hope you don't get me wrong for sending these photos to you.

> I don't have anymore naked pictures, ah actually I have one more, but .....I don't really like it. It shows my naked breast. If you want I will show it to you.

> I will write you later, I will look if I have more nice photos to sendyou.

> Have a good day!

>

> kiss you, Elizaveta

>

>

> > hello here you HAVE two pic of me Im not SO handsome for you

> > jejeje ...... you look great!!!! I LIVE IN VENEZUELA (SOUTH

> > AMERICA) I WORK IN A CARS SALE FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAY SORRY IF I

> > DONT REPLY YOU QUICKY I M FULL OF WORK THIS WEEK . I`M 28 YEARS OLD BLACK HAIR AND DARK BROWN EYES

> > I LIKED VERY MUCH YOUR PHOTOS SO I DONT THINK YOU`RE A BAD GIRL

> > AND I HOPE YOU GIVE ME A FEW MORE OF THEM , YOU ARE CUTE .........

> >

> > bye

> > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:54:18 +0300> From:

> > lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject:

> > ...I just wanted to tell you hi!!> > hello, its me again!! I just

> > wanted to tell you hi!!> I decided to send you more photos, I hope

> > you will like it.> I think you are interested that I don`t have a

> > boyfriend, because all> men here look on my appearance and I want

> > somebody who will look inside me.> .........my pictures....sexy....

> > :-)> > BUT....I'M NOT INFO TAKING NAKED PHOTOS!> I really apologize

> > if you think now I'm not a good girl...> I hope you don't think so.

> > Please let me know and> I will write you more if I'm forgiven for

> > sending this pic!!!> I hope you will answer this email and we will

> > try to get to know each other better!!!!!!!!> AAAAAAAAAAAh!!!! I'm

> > so ashamed to send this pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> I also want to see

> > your different photos and hope to know you better!> > > kiss

> > Elizaveta> > > > > > > > > well, i would like more pics you are so

> > pretty . > > and please can you give me more info of you ? > Date:

> > Thu, 27 Nov> > 2008 19:18:34 -0800> From: rufuscottonti@gmail.com>

> > To:> > alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject: Whattup?> > Hey my friend,> I

> > was> > looking at your pereferences and I> think that we should find

> > out> > about each other. Take a look> at my pic and message to me so

> > I> > could> give you more pictures and info.> Olive bird> Thanks> >

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2008-12-14, 15:04:44
alonzomax@hotmail.com from Venezuela  
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hello alonzo! thank you! it's good to write you again! excuse me for previous letter....

I think I'm a lucky girl to meet such good man as you in Internet! I hope I will be lucky enough to meet you

in the real life!!! yesterday I told my parents about you.

they said that now they don`tworry about me as before because now they know you are a kind man

and can help me if I will need your help. You can show me your city and

tell me about the life over there! I think I didn't write you I like cooking.

I will cook Russian cuisine for you! Pelmeni, vareniki, blini, borsch, okroshka!

You will like it! Besides Russian cuisine I like Italian and Mexican. I love

spaghetti and pizzza!!!!! mmmmmmm ! I can't live without it! I like

Mexican food because it's very spicy, although I don't cook Mexican

dishes too often. I've been told my cooking is very tasty!

I like to cook cakes. my favorite is cheese-cake with raspberry! You

know... when I talk about food I'm getting hungry ))) I eat everything

and I'm not on any diets but usually I don't eat after 7 pm. This

helps me not to be fat! I can cook many tasty things for you when we will meet! You know..

almost all Russian men are like bears! They are so rude, they can't be nice

and polite, they don't want to have a family. I think you are not like them.

I like to go to the cinema! I really like to watch a good movie with

my friends. 50 percents of movies in our cinemas are Russian and about 50

American. actually my favorite actor is William Smith and I like all movies with

him. I've watched 'Hancock' Have you seen it?

could you recommend me any American movie so I can watch it?

What is your favorite movie and actor? Soooooooooooooooo......... what else could I say?

I have a driver's licence but I don't have a car. My father has a

russian car and he gives me his car sometimes.

I don`t like only cinema! I like theatre and opera too, I like ballet.

Unfortunately there is only one small theatre in my city and there is

nothing interesting. If I want to go to ballet, for example, I should

go to Krasnojarsk, there sometimes can come famous Russian actors and

dancers but I can't go there often because it's quite expensive.

By, the way, one thing else about my trip. Agency will help me to rent a room

to stay near my future work. I will share this room with a few girls yet,

it is usual procedure and it helps to pay the rent (it will be cheaper).

And I have a question, is it normal if we will like each other may be it is

possible to live together?of course if you or somebody doesn't mind.

As you know I will stay there for three months but If I will like there I will be

able to prolong my trip. I think I will be able to improve my english and you can learn Russian

and I think it will help us to learn each other better,who knows.Do you have a big

wide bed?(joke). And now I have some good news for you! After sending this email I will

go home, take my packed bags and go to Krasnojarsk! From there I will fly to Moscow! I`m

really afraid to fly on a plane! I hope my plane will not fall down! I'm really afraid!

It is several hours from Krasnojarsk to Moscow.

when I come to Moscow and settle down I will write you an email. I

hope today I will be able to write you. Please don't worry about me

if you don't hear from me today, that will mean I was not able to

find a place to stay and I will write you tomorrow.

In Moscow I will spend a week or maybe even more, I should make all

final arrangements with my documents and after it I will come to you!

I've never been to Moscow before and I'm so nervous now... I've never

went somewhere alone and now I should go alone to such big city!

I really want to talk to you by phone, but as I don`t have a mobile

phone, I will find a public phone in Moscow with international calls.

you know... I had such great desire to start my trip already.. and now

I feel myself like a newborn kitten who has even didn't open it's

eyes... I just want to hug my mommy and don't want to go anywhere...

but I know that's my dream to start a new life and I will try to turn

in to reality! Soon you will hear some news from me from

Moscow!!!!!!!!




hope I'm only for you! love you and kisses!




I send you promised photos! yoElizaveta



























>
thanks for your sincerity .now you must to now a 3 things too .(wow your are beatifull , i can't stop to see your photos. jjejejejeje...........

probably already you suspect it , I was married two times , I have a chid you will see him in a photo . I live whit him My last marriage finished 2 years ago . she said that I AM UNBEARABLE JEJE AND SHE WAS NOT SUPPORTING MY SON (HE IS NOT HER SON ) (ITS A LARGE HISTORY (whit another 35 years old woman )and I HOPE DONT SCARY YOU!!!!)



i live in apartment whit my son and a service woman who helps me whit him, cause I don have much time for him only sunday but I always be tired CAUSE, i'm coming at midnight every day well I will write you soon I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY NEXT MONDAY CAUSE THEY NEED A SALESMAN THERE , just for A WEEK. I DONT LIKE THAT BUT.........! ITS A 7 HOURS TRAVEL IM NOT A GOOD DRIVER JEJEJE I HATE PLANES SO I`ll try to write you in a cyber cafe i am not sure if they have internet there I`LL give you more info and my telephone numbers too

> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:18:07 +0300

> From: lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net

> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com

> Subject: ..I amsorry for my strange attitude!

>

> hello again..!!I just want to add few things...

> I think last time I wrote you not all my thoughts...

> My mind is always in a mess when I write you because

> it's hard to write everything to somebody who is so far away. I don't

> remember if I wrote last time I've never been married, don't have

> kids but I love them and they love me! I

> And I want to tell you that I always wanted to find an older man.

> Why? I have two answers..

> Firstly, I think older men are much more serious and they can take

> care of me, they are more experienced in life and can teach me many

> things. Have you heard a saying 'The older the violin, the sweeter the

> music'? I believe in it... I think I'm not that young already but I

> don't have much experience in life and I want to have someone who has

> more experience in life then me.

> Secondly... maybe I'm not right about it... but I want to be honest

> I've always had such worry... if I marry a man nearly my age...

> and after some years I will become not that young and beautiful... I

> think it's more hard for a woman to be attractive then for a man...

> and he will find a younger mistress and I will become very miserable.

> I don't want my man to be unfaithful. I know I can be faithful to my

> man and I will never cheat on him.

> But this is just my worries. This is not my goal. Please tell me if

> you think you will love your woman at any age and not find a younger

> one? Can you be faithful?

> Also I want to tell you that I learned english in university, so I don`t

> use any translators, and I can speak english as good as I write on it.

> I hope we will have no problems in communications. I feel that

> you are very nice man I really want to meet you. If you will not like

> me or something else we can be just friends.

> I hope I will get my work visa soon in Moscow and all documents and I

> come to you! I don't have any area limits with this visa so I can work

> where I want. I don`t know exact day of my arrival, but as soon as I will

> know I will write it to you.

> You know, I'm just trying to be honest with you and write you all my thoughts on

> different issues. Please be always honest with me also....

>

> I am sending you two naked photos. I am sorry for my strange attitude.

> My thought are so contradictive about us. These pictures was taken by my girlfriend after our dancing lessons.

> I want you to see all of my body so you know how I look and don't get too much surprised after we meet.

> I understand that it is important to all men and you're not the exception. I respect men's attitude.

> Once again, I am sorry and I hope you don't get me wrong for sending these photos to you.

> I don't have anymore naked pictures, ah actually I have one more, but .....I don't really like it. It shows my naked breast. If you want I will show it to you.

> I will write you later, I will look if I have more nice photos to sendyou.

> Have a good day!

>

> kiss you, Elizaveta

>

>

> > hello here you HAVE two pic of me Im not SO handsome for you

> > jejeje ...... you look great!!!! I LIVE IN VENEZUELA (SOUTH

> > AMERICA) I WORK IN A CARS SALE FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAY SORRY IF I

> > DONT REPLY YOU QUICKY I M FULL OF WORK THIS WEEK . I`M 28 YEARS OLD BLACK HAIR AND DARK BROWN EYES

> > I LIKED VERY MUCH YOUR PHOTOS SO I DONT THINK YOU`RE A BAD GIRL

> > AND I HOPE YOU GIVE ME A FEW MORE OF THEM , YOU ARE CUTE .........

> >

> > bye

> > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:54:18 +0300> From:

> > lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject:

> > ...I just wanted to tell you hi!!> > hello, its me again!! I just

> > wanted to tell you hi!!> I decided to send you more photos, I hope

> > you will like it.> I think you are interested that I don`t have a

> > boyfriend, because all> men here look on my appearance and I want

> > somebody who will look inside me.> .........my pictures....sexy....

> > :-)> > BUT....I'M NOT INFO TAKING NAKED PHOTOS!> I really apologize

> > if you think now I'm not a good girl...> I hope you don't think so.

> > Please let me know and> I will write you more if I'm forgiven for

> > sending this pic!!!> I hope you will answer this email and we will

> > try to get to know each other better!!!!!!!!> AAAAAAAAAAAh!!!! I'm

> > so ashamed to send this pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> I also want to see

> > your different photos and hope to know you better!> > > kiss

> > Elizaveta> > > > > > > > > well, i would like more pics you are so

> > pretty . > > and please can you give me more info of you ? > Date:

> > Thu, 27 Nov> > 2008 19:18:34 -0800> From: rufuscottonti@gmail.com>

> > To:> > alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject: Whattup?> > Hey my friend,> I

> > was> > looking at your pereferences and I> think that we should find

> > out> > about each other. Take a look> at my pic and message to me so

> > I> > could> give you more pictures and info.> Olive bird> Thanks> >

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2008-12-14, 15:08:33
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hello alonzo! thank you! it's good to write you again! excuse me for previous letter....

I think I'm a lucky girl to meet such good man as you in Internet! I hope I will be lucky enough to meet you

in the real life!!! yesterday I told my parents about you.

they said that now they don`tworry about me as before because now they know you are a kind man

and can help me if I will need your help. You can show me your city and

tell me about the life over there! I think I didn't write you I like cooking.

I will cook Russian cuisine for you! Pelmeni, vareniki, blini, borsch, okroshka!

You will like it! Besides Russian cuisine I like Italian and Mexican. I love

spaghetti and pizzza!!!!! mmmmmmm ! I can't live without it! I like

Mexican food because it's very spicy, although I don't cook Mexican

dishes too often. I've been told my cooking is very tasty!

I like to cook cakes. my favorite is cheese-cake with raspberry! You

know... when I talk about food I'm getting hungry ))) I eat everything

and I'm not on any diets but usually I don't eat after 7 pm. This

helps me not to be fat! I can cook many tasty things for you when we will meet! You know..

almost all Russian men are like bears! They are so rude, they can't be nice

and polite, they don't want to have a family. I think you are not like them.

I like to go to the cinema! I really like to watch a good movie with

my friends. 50 percents of movies in our cinemas are Russian and about 50

American. actually my favorite actor is William Smith and I like all movies with

him. I've watched 'Hancock' Have you seen it?

could you recommend me any American movie so I can watch it?

What is your favorite movie and actor? Soooooooooooooooo......... what else could I say?

I have a driver's licence but I don't have a car. My father has a

russian car and he gives me his car sometimes.

I don`t like only cinema! I like theatre and opera too, I like ballet.

Unfortunately there is only one small theatre in my city and there is

nothing interesting. If I want to go to ballet, for example, I should

go to Krasnojarsk, there sometimes can come famous Russian actors and

dancers but I can't go there often because it's quite expensive.

By, the way, one thing else about my trip. Agency will help me to rent a room

to stay near my future work. I will share this room with a few girls yet,

it is usual procedure and it helps to pay the rent (it will be cheaper).

And I have a question, is it normal if we will like each other may be it is

possible to live together?of course if you or somebody doesn't mind.

As you know I will stay there for three months but If I will like there I will be

able to prolong my trip. I think I will be able to improve my english and you can learn Russian

and I think it will help us to learn each other better,who knows.Do you have a big

wide bed?(joke). And now I have some good news for you! After sending this email I will

go home, take my packed bags and go to Krasnojarsk! From there I will fly to Moscow! I`m

really afraid to fly on a plane! I hope my plane will not fall down! I'm really afraid!

It is several hours from Krasnojarsk to Moscow.

when I come to Moscow and settle down I will write you an email. I

hope today I will be able to write you. Please don't worry about me

if you don't hear from me today, that will mean I was not able to

find a place to stay and I will write you tomorrow.

In Moscow I will spend a week or maybe even more, I should make all

final arrangements with my documents and after it I will come to you!

I've never been to Moscow before and I'm so nervous now... I've never

went somewhere alone and now I should go alone to such big city!

I really want to talk to you by phone, but as I don`t have a mobile

phone, I will find a public phone in Moscow with international calls.

you know... I had such great desire to start my trip already.. and now

I feel myself like a newborn kitten who has even didn't open it's

eyes... I just want to hug my mommy and don't want to go anywhere...

but I know that's my dream to start a new life and I will try to turn

in to reality! Soon you will hear some news from me from

Moscow!!!!!!!!




hope I'm only for you! love you and kisses!




I send you promised photos! yoElizaveta



























>
thanks for your sincerity .now you must to now a 3 things too .(wow your are beatifull , i can't stop to see your photos. jjejejejeje...........

probably already you suspect it , I was married two times , I have a chid you will see him in a photo . I live whit him My last marriage finished 2 years ago . she said that I AM UNBEARABLE JEJE AND SHE WAS NOT SUPPORTING MY SON (HE IS NOT HER SON ) (ITS A LARGE HISTORY (whit another 35 years old woman )and I HOPE DONT SCARY YOU!!!!)



i live in apartment whit my son and a service woman who helps me whit him, cause I don have much time for him only sunday but I always be tired CAUSE, i'm coming at midnight every day well I will write you soon I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY NEXT MONDAY CAUSE THEY NEED A SALESMAN THERE , just for A WEEK. I DONT LIKE THAT BUT.........! ITS A 7 HOURS TRAVEL IM NOT A GOOD DRIVER JEJEJE I HATE PLANES SO I`ll try to write you in a cyber cafe i am not sure if they have internet there I`LL give you more info and my telephone numbers too

> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:18:07 +0300

> From: lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net

> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com

> Subject: ..I amsorry for my strange attitude!

>

> hello again..!!I just want to add few things...

> I think last time I wrote you not all my thoughts...

> My mind is always in a mess when I write you because

> it's hard to write everything to somebody who is so far away. I don't

> remember if I wrote last time I've never been married, don't have

> kids but I love them and they love me! I

> And I want to tell you that I always wanted to find an older man.

> Why? I have two answers..

> Firstly, I think older men are much more serious and they can take

> care of me, they are more experienced in life and can teach me many

> things. Have you heard a saying 'The older the violin, the sweeter the

> music'? I believe in it... I think I'm not that young already but I

> don't have much experience in life and I want to have someone who has

> more experience in life then me.

> Secondly... maybe I'm not right about it... but I want to be honest

> I've always had such worry... if I marry a man nearly my age...

> and after some years I will become not that young and beautiful... I

> think it's more hard for a woman to be attractive then for a man...

> and he will find a younger mistress and I will become very miserable.

> I don't want my man to be unfaithful. I know I can be faithful to my

> man and I will never cheat on him.

> But this is just my worries. This is not my goal. Please tell me if

> you think you will love your woman at any age and not find a younger

> one? Can you be faithful?

> Also I want to tell you that I learned english in university, so I don`t

> use any translators, and I can speak english as good as I write on it.

> I hope we will have no problems in communications. I feel that

> you are very nice man I really want to meet you. If you will not like

> me or something else we can be just friends.

> I hope I will get my work visa soon in Moscow and all documents and I

> come to you! I don't have any area limits with this visa so I can work

> where I want. I don`t know exact day of my arrival, but as soon as I will

> know I will write it to you.

> You know, I'm just trying to be honest with you and write you all my thoughts on

> different issues. Please be always honest with me also....

>

> I am sending you two naked photos. I am sorry for my strange attitude.

> My thought are so contradictive about us. These pictures was taken by my girlfriend after our dancing lessons.

> I want you to see all of my body so you know how I look and don't get too much surprised after we meet.

> I understand that it is important to all men and you're not the exception. I respect men's attitude.

> Once again, I am sorry and I hope you don't get me wrong for sending these photos to you.

> I don't have anymore naked pictures, ah actually I have one more, but .....I don't really like it. It shows my naked breast. If you want I will show it to you.

> I will write you later, I will look if I have more nice photos to sendyou.

> Have a good day!

>

> kiss you, Elizaveta

>

>

> > hello here you HAVE two pic of me Im not SO handsome for you

> > jejeje ...... you look great!!!! I LIVE IN VENEZUELA (SOUTH

> > AMERICA) I WORK IN A CARS SALE FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAY SORRY IF I

> > DONT REPLY YOU QUICKY I M FULL OF WORK THIS WEEK . I`M 28 YEARS OLD BLACK HAIR AND DARK BROWN EYES

> > I LIKED VERY MUCH YOUR PHOTOS SO I DONT THINK YOU`RE A BAD GIRL

> > AND I HOPE YOU GIVE ME A FEW MORE OF THEM , YOU ARE CUTE .........

> >

> > bye

> > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:54:18 +0300> From:

> > lizulka_kroshka82@yafex.net> To: alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject:

> > ...I just wanted to tell you hi!!> > hello, its me again!! I just

> > wanted to tell you hi!!> I decided to send you more photos, I hope

> > you will like it.> I think you are interested that I don`t have a

> > boyfriend, because all> men here look on my appearance and I want

> > somebody who will look inside me.> .........my pictures....sexy....

> > :-)> > BUT....I'M NOT INFO TAKING NAKED PHOTOS!> I really apologize

> > if you think now I'm not a good girl...> I hope you don't think so.

> > Please let me know and> I will write you more if I'm forgiven for

> > sending this pic!!!> I hope you will answer this email and we will

> > try to get to know each other better!!!!!!!!> AAAAAAAAAAAh!!!! I'm

> > so ashamed to send this pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> I also want to see

> > your different photos and hope to know you better!> > > kiss

> > Elizaveta> > > > > > > > > well, i would like more pics you are so

> > pretty . > > and please can you give me more info of you ? > Date:

> > Thu, 27 Nov> > 2008 19:18:34 -0800> From: rufuscottonti@gmail.com>

> > To:> > alonzomax@hotmail.com> Subject: Whattup?> > Hey my friend,> I

> > was> > looking at your pereferences and I> think that we should find

> > out> > about each other. Take a look> at my pic and message to me so

> > I> > could> give you more pictures and info.> Olive bird> Thanks> >

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2008-12-15, 13:27:09
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2008-12-15, 16:57:46
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DOES ANYONE KNOW HER???


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2008-12-16, 17:01:39
anonymous from Norway  
same e-mail but from a Anastasia Tretiakova:
Hi my man my dream man ******!

I have for you very good news and not so good news at all do not know
about what news to begin. Well I would like to begin about good news
and I hope for you they will be so good as for me. I have a fellow
worker and she spoke to me that we could meet you and that it not so
it is difficult and that we could see with you each other in a
reality. I so have wanted it so have wanted to see you to look in
yours eyes to see you completely. And for me it is so pleasant to see
you to feel you. If certainly it was would like by you? She spoke to
me that there is a travel agency where can select for all of us as we
could meet the most simple. I have learnt all their contacts. Also it
appears to make all documents and all the rest is very simple also the
prices the cheapest for our city thus this firm works about 10 years
in the market of tourist business. Today I was at them at office and
we long talked about mine of arrivals to you. And it not so is
difficult. So if you though were a little interested by our meeting
and you would like to build serious relations write to me tell to me
we will build our relations or not? I will give you more low all
details of this agency which I you visited also can ask about all
them. If you all the same wish to begin our real relations the person
in the person that I can go once again there and learn all terms. It
only my dream I do not know about yours intention. But my desire
always it only to be to be near to you about you. Both I only wait
also I only I dream that soon at us with you something will turn out.
I will wait for your answer I will wait yours wishes and your opinion
as for me it is very important to know your opinion your relation to
it our meeting you want it or you are not ready yet to it? I want it
the nobility tell to me about it and we can continue conversation or
you simply would like correspondence tell to me and we see that to us
to do further.

Here all contacts of this agency:
e-mail veterstour@gmail.com

The contact information:

The full address of office:
street Gvardeiskaya, 15,
city Kirov
Postal index 420000
Country Russia

Telephone +7-843-295-14-00, Fax: +7-843-295-18-77

All that I should arrive to you it is the visa some documents and the
ticket of the plane and it is all that is necessary that you could see
me in a reality and I could see you. So give with you we will simply
try? But to solve all the same to you and last word for you as you to
me you will speak and will be. Now I only in such painful expectations
and I very much worry that you will tell to me what there will be your
answer. I think that I cannot sleep today and I will try to come into
the cafe Internet once again so I hope to read your answer very soon.
And bad news my mum hard was ill as now in Russia became cold also it
has caught a cold so now I still should look after for my mum. As I
thought as we with you could speak is more often on phone and at me
some idea has come. You could send me any old phone on DHL or EMS
mobile I the card could make here this and we could to be constantly
on communication and could speak constantly with you on phone. So if
you always wished to speak with me on phone that you could send the
cheapest phone and so we could speak on the phone with you. I was so
is glad to hear your voice every morning every day and every evening
you simply do not represent as I wait and I hope soon to meet you. I
about such big impatience wait your answer and your decision about our
meeting. I wait your answer yours and only yours Anastasia! The woman
which dreams about real the relation with you and which dreams every
evening only of you *****! You my dream!

P. S. As I send you the favourite photos which I love most of all if
you only can I ask you hold these photos as it is possible more close
to the heart and yours smothering!!!



2008-12-16, 17:11:38
anonymous from Norway  
same e-mail but from a Anastasia Tretiakova:
Hi my man my dream man ******!

I have for you very good news and not so good news at all do not know
about what news to begin. Well I would like to begin about good news
and I hope for you they will be so good as for me. I have a fellow
worker and she spoke to me that we could meet you and that it not so
it is difficult and that we could see with you each other in a
reality. I so have wanted it so have wanted to see you to look in
yours eyes to see you completely. And for me it is so pleasant to see
you to feel you. If certainly it was would like by you? She spoke to
me that there is a travel agency where can select for all of us as we
could meet the most simple. I have learnt all their contacts. Also it
appears to make all documents and all the rest is very simple also the
prices the cheapest for our city thus this firm works about 10 years
in the market of tourist business. Today I was at them at office and
we long talked about mine of arrivals to you. And it not so is
difficult. So if you though were a little interested by our meeting
and you would like to build serious relations write to me tell to me
we will build our relations or not? I will give you more low all
details of this agency which I you visited also can ask about all
them. If you all the same wish to begin our real relations the person
in the person that I can go once again there and learn all terms. It
only my dream I do not know about yours intention. But my desire
always it only to be to be near to you about you. Both I only wait
also I only I dream that soon at us with you something will turn out.
I will wait for your answer I will wait yours wishes and your opinion
as for me it is very important to know your opinion your relation to
it our meeting you want it or you are not ready yet to it? I want it
the nobility tell to me about it and we can continue conversation or
you simply would like correspondence tell to me and we see that to us
to do further.

Here all contacts of this agency:
e-mail veterstour@gmail.com

The contact information:

The full address of office:
street Gvardeiskaya, 15,
city Kirov
Postal index 420000
Country Russia

Telephone +7-843-295-14-00, Fax: +7-843-295-18-77

All that I should arrive to you it is the visa some documents and the
ticket of the plane and it is all that is necessary that you could see
me in a reality and I could see you. So give with you we will simply
try? But to solve all the same to you and last word for you as you to
me you will speak and will be. Now I only in such painful expectations
and I very much worry that you will tell to me what there will be your
answer. I think that I cannot sleep today and I will try to come into
the cafe Internet once again so I hope to read your answer very soon.
And bad news my mum hard was ill as now in Russia became cold also it
has caught a cold so now I still should look after for my mum. As I
thought as we with you could speak is more often on phone and at me
some idea has come. You could send me any old phone on DHL or EMS
mobile I the card could make here this and we could to be constantly
on communication and could speak constantly with you on phone. So if
you always wished to speak with me on phone that you could send the
cheapest phone and so we could speak on the phone with you. I was so
is glad to hear your voice every morning every day and every evening
you simply do not represent as I wait and I hope soon to meet you. I
about such big impatience wait your answer and your decision about our
meeting. I wait your answer yours and only yours Anastasia! The woman
which dreams about real the relation with you and which dreams every
evening only of you *****! You my dream!

P. S. As I send you the favourite photos which I love most of all if
you only can I ask you hold these photos as it is possible more close
to the heart and yours smothering!!!



2008-12-18, 09:58:58
anonymous from United States  
Has anyone been contacted by Carmen Strogan? claims to be from Atlanta, GA originally from Manchester, UK. I can't find anything on him anywhere. I am pretty sure it is a scam. I will know on Monday because he says he will be done with his 'buying trip' then. I am waiting to hear that he needs money. He is was on Match.com and also is still on Inter-pals.com

thanks
2008-12-18, 19:41:42   (updated: 2008-12-18, 19:44:16)
anonymous from Venezuela  
SHE DOESN`T READ MY LETTERS JEJEJ , I do not wish to give you a words of good bye!

I am sorry about all the problems with the money!

But without your help I will not be able to fly to you.

My relatives will no longer be able to help me out.

Mama gave me almost all the money that she had to

help me out with this journey.

If you can not help me, I will be returning to home.

But I do not want to be lonely again.

I do not want to return home.

I do not want to stay in Moscow either.

I do not want anyone but you.

More than anything else, I would like to continue the trip!

I want you! I want you to surround me with your tenderness, warmth and care.

I certainly think about the future. I want us to be together.

I go to sleep and I wake up together with the thoughts about you.

They are not leaving my head.

More to that, I’d like to wake up in your arms every day.

I’d like to be sure that you really need me now and in the future.

I just want to look into your eyes.

I want to feel your warm breath.

I want to see your smile and know that this smile is for me.

I want to be waken up by you rather than some kind of alarm clock.

I want to be your sunshine.

I want you to warm your hands up in the back pockets of my jeans.

I want you to pay me with your kisses for the rental of my jeans pockets.

I want to belong to you and. I am yours and you’re mine.

I want to believe you and never question anything you say.

I want to hear your voice. I want to get to your inner thoughts.

I want to be everything you need. I want you to know all these things.

I want you to love me.

Can’t wait for the moment I board the plane and start my final journey to you.

I am sick without you. I am looking forward to hearing some good news from you.




I will wait money transfer control number and your full name...

Hope you can help me out and give me your support.

My request for help from one hand is the opportunity to come to you,

and from other hand is the approval of seriousness of your plans.

I’m sorry that my confidence in our victory against the problems differs a bit from yours.

Because you are a man and I am a woman.

If everything were on contrary, the world would go upside down.

I will back all money to the last cent without doubt,

and if everything will be ok, I will stand for you forever.

That’s why I ask you a question: are you serious in your intensions?

If yes, write me soon. I hope very much that I provoked sympathy in you.




thank you, Elizaveta




my date:

Elizaveta Onjanawa

Russia

adress: Kalanchevskaya street 41-93, post code (zip) 129010.

The address of the closest Western Union (or MoneyGram) here is:

'ALFA BANK' 107078, Moscow, Kalanchevskaya, 27




2008-12-18, 20:17:59
anonymous  
I hope that by me posting this picture of 'Nadia' from Accra Ghana, that other guys will not fall prey to the person that is using her pics to scam them for money.................she is definately real, but her pics are stolen from her web-site and used on the singles dating sites..............GUYS BEWARE..............ITS ALL A SCAM...............DONT FALL FOR ANY 'WOMEN' FROM ANY OTHER COUNTRIES
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Osai Williams from Ghana
Dating scammer Osai Williams from Ghana
Dating scam artist Sindy Becky Green in Ashley, Ohio (Lagos, Nigeria)



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2008-12-18, 20:22:45
anonymous from Australia  
hi all...she's at it again the following are two email addrsss it has used with me in the last week isa4gh@yahoo.com and also roulove@yahoo.com...After busting her on the second email address, she actually sent me a photo of her real self (apparently)


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2008-12-18, 20:23:34
anonymous from Australia  
this one is supposivly her real pic
This image was also posted here:
Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)



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2008-12-18, 20:23:43
anonymous from Australia  
this one is supposivly her real pic
This image was also posted here:
Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)



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2008-12-19, 00:04:37
anonymous from China  
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