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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2009-01-09, 15:41:55
I wonderd if someone could help me. I wanna know if this contact is a scammer.

He contacted me at Facebook with this

My name is Victor Peterson, I came across your profile and I could not just stop looking at that fine picture you gat there, you’re a very beautiful woman, you need know that. Any man who’s gat you should be dam lucky. Anyway if you don’t mind new online friends, let me hear from you.

Love from Victor Peterson

NB: Let me know if you are single.( I pray you’re)

and than

Hey there,
Always sweet to hear from a fine angel like you, got your mail and would like to know more bout you, well as for me, I live in Homewood Illinois, I am a road contractor, and am presently in London with my foster parent, I have a loving daughter who I named after my late wife Tracey, I lost my wife 4 years ago while trying to give birth to my baby Tracey. Tracey now stays with my mum in London. Ever since then I have been single and a workaholic, if you would understand what I mean.
I am open-minded, sensitive, truthful, passionate, with a great sense of humor ...responsible and serious when I have to be. I love music, traveling, meeting people and all is beautiful ! I am looking for that special someone, I could love with all my heart, body and soul. I love
to find experiences and to share them with someone that is serious in looking for the right man, but I have no special person in my life to share my dreams and excitements with.... A good relationship provides stimulation at the intellectual, emotional and physical level. I want to have a genuine relationship with someone that i will love with
all my heart, please tell me everything about you, i will love to know everything about you .thanks hope to hear from you soon. I was introduced to this site recently by an old friend , so don’t mind my profile, I’m still working on it.
Let me know more about you, just a little if you don’t mind, I am 45 years old and a very understanding father. I got a job with Julius Berger in Africa and I should be taking off tonight here from London. Do you use msn instant messenger, what’s your id? I think that’s a good start, would love to hear from you again.
Love Victor Peterson

after two time chatting on the internet, he sended me loveletters and sms.

Finally we wanna meet, he wanted to come to my country in and had him on chat urgently told me he cant get a direct flight the flight is very expensice and its so expensive if I could send him 500 USD. He even sended me his passport.

Dont know what I should think about it.

Did someone know this guy or had experiences with him. ???

2009-01-09, 21:49:19   (updated: 2009-01-09, 21:51:18)
anonymous from United States  
To anonymous about Victor Peterson if you have read any of the comments here you should know that if it asks for money of any kind it is more than likely a scammer. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it is a duck. It has built an emotional bond with you like a scammer does! After 2 talks it is in love with you like a scammer is! It has sent you a copy of it's passport like a scammer does! It has asked you for money like a scammer does! Is it a scammer? You have all the evidence and it sure is quacking loud so I say it is a scammer so it's up to you give it money, end the relationship or play with it, lead it on, make it think it's going to reap a huge windfall off you! Enjoy yourself doing it. Then when you have wasted a lot of it's time drop the other shoe and tell it you knew it was a scammer and you have enjoyed playing but it is getting boring so you are moving onto another scammer!
The whole thing is in your hands now. You can lose a bunch of money, do nothing or have a lot of fun.
Also if you have pics of it they could be helpful to others so please post them.

Enjoy and good luck
2009-01-10, 00:34:52
anonymous from Germany  
Hi thanks for the email.

Heres is the picture !!

2009-01-12, 01:04:32
anonymous from United States  

2009-01-12, 11:28:09   (updated: 2009-01-12, 11:32:00)


what is the Name of this Scammer. Sorry didnt got it full !!

2009-01-12, 14:54:13
anonymous from United Kingdom  
2009-01-12, 16:21:58
OJAS from United States  
2009-01-15, 18:20:34
anonymous from Romania  
i hate this fake with carin kassala,it is a crap
2009-01-18, 16:56:45 from Steenokkerzeel, Belgium  
Cool thank you for the advise !
Hope mine is real !!
2009-01-19, 13:34:39
anonymous from Netherlands  
This one is clearly a fake as well, see page 33.....
everything mentioned works out for her, yet she did not ask me money, but something smells bad about her...
[b]Tatyana Nochka[/b]
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2009-01-19, 15:02:16
anonymous from United States  
I received this today. Few red flags went up right away, such as no last name in the inbox from the email sender and traces of 'photoshopping' on the attached pictures. As soon as I googled medvedevo (curiously very similar to the Russian premier's name).....and Bingo! Kudos for the website creators and who maintain it

Fairly to speak I has been pleased that you have answered my letter
because I thought that it
It is not enough probability to meet
Someone on the Internet,
I hope, that if we have written each other, means at us there is any
general interest, there are any hopes of everyone
And I would like to learn acquaintance
The friend the friend is better also it would be very interesting to me.
Nevertheless each new acquaintance submits any hopes, probably gives
rise to any dreams and belief in that that
Your special person at last will be met.
Now, if you do not object
I would like to tell, that you it is more about me it is direct, good...
The first that that I wished to tell this that that I write to you
from Internet cafe.
Therefore I will not have a lot of time, but I will try to make as
much as possible interesting our relations
The photo which at me are were made by my girlfriend and if there will
be a possibility I will be photographed and send the new

My name
Anastasiya, My birthday on February, 10th.
To me 31 year will be executed.
Soon my birthday.
I live in Russia in remarkable and beautiful city Medvedevo, but I
hope, that it would not be
Problem of distance for us and all of us still have chance to speak
with the friend the friend.

I realy consider that distance it only time problem though it
would be final better if we were a number and
Would meet really, but it seems to me that such meetings are not
strong, I have started to trust in acquaintance on the Internet and
I consider it correct because before beginning more close to the
person you have possibility to make a choice and a conclusion on
And whether really it to you approaches letters.
The most important, I consider in an initial stage of construction of
relations, it
Superficially to interest the person.
I certainly do not try to interest as much as possible you, because
I understand that if you initially are not interested, you will not
write more, but certainly I hope
That at me all will turn out on the first dating though I at all do
not know
That to me to write.
I will begin certainly with the core.

I have higher education, I
Has finished the state university, work with the personnel, (for this
reason I can speak on
Foreign language, also can communicate with people from other countries),
After it has finished, I have begun work in a private concern which
does doors for apartments and at present
I about 6 years work in this sphere,
My work is very interesting to me, it is a pity that interests and
requirements sometimes are not compatible.

The matter is that the wages are not big but if to look on the other
hand, at me not difficult, but
Interesting work.
Not difficult because a lot of physical work is not required, but
occupies nerves and time much.
It is necessary to work much with people, and they happen different
and consequently it is necessary to find with everyone common language.
In basic my work consists in search of clients for purchase and our
My work to make the contract with them.
I think that about work not so much in this letter.
Basically to write about it there is no that much.

I have many friends and sometimes
We have time together.
Especially my friends as well as I to like to leave on the nature,
There it is possible to find many hobbies in the summer, it is
possible to fish (that to me especially to like),
It is possible to do barbecu on fresh air.
Certainly not often it turns out to gather and go on
The nature. All my girlfriends already have a family, and consequently
at them not always
It turns out to meet together.
But is also same as well as I lonely, they and keep basically the
company in a daily life.

I love sports, I love swimming and runing, and
Try to hold my body in a good condition, I think, that you can see it
and is possible from the point of view
To estimate it.
Healthy food and regular trainings it as the motto of my life.
Any drugs, alcohol and tobacco.
So I was brought up by my favourite parents since the childhood.
I like to study, something new and
Interesting, visit new places, but my work does not allow me to do it
Very often.

I always since the childhood dreamt to be on the sea, but at my 29
years I have no such possibility, I was not on the sea and it
Also remains my dream.
I love water, I like to float.

I have some questions for you,
Hope you will answer them. What do you love for an entertainment? What
You search? On what she should resemble? Well, I will send you pair
From a photo in hope to see mutually yours, hope to receive news from
you soon and to take

2009-01-20, 16:03:49
anonymous from United States  
ive been chaten w/ a girl who says her name is Jessica Mc Claren from Virginia B each , Virginia. She says she is in Africa volunteering at an orphanage. I called her out the first day she contacted me on myspace. If anybody knows who im talking about i have 3 pis she sent me and i dont know if its even her. I can be Emailed Any information on this scammer would be helpfull!
2009-01-21, 18:21:56
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