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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-01-21, 21:49:42   (updated: 2009-01-21, 21:51:58)
anonymous from United States  
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The 3 pictures above are of Melissa Sumitra Roy, I believe they were captured on her myspace page, don't know for sure. She is a college student in Malibu, Ca. and not in Ghana or anything but she has been on a cruise for peace or something.

Amazing what you can learn on the world wide web, lol.

My scammer has been using the names Mary Baah and Joyce Fordour. Emails virgin_mary84@yahoo.com and good10187@yahoo.com. Cell #233240934199 & 233248215488. Addresses to send stuff 21 street conca Accra, Ghana 00233 and nm80 nima accra, Ghana 00233 has a rich uncle in Kumasi, Leonard Sellassie Torgah, dead father was Maxwell Anthony, yeah right. She was supposedly half Liberian and half S.E. asian to match the pics. Did like teaching a lot of the twi language though, lol.

It thinks it's smart but we have been playing for over 2 months. I told it that a passport and MVR from Ghana was about $120 total and a week later it said the cost is $600 and could I plz send the money either UPS or western union. Now sense I didn't do that it wants me to get a credit card that someone that owes it's dead father money can transfer the money to, duh.
Also talking of sending me a check to put in my account then send it the money for sick mum or mom depending on the day, lol.

We'll see where it goes from here, lol.
2009-01-26, 01:31:43
anonymous from Iran  
ok
2009-01-26, 01:33:53
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2009-01-26, 17:14:17
anonymous from Ireland  
quote has anyone heard of a girl from Accra Ghana called Vincentia Osei, very attractive, am i being scammed, shes started with the money thing after 3 days for all the usual - passport, visa, police report etc
2009-01-26, 19:57:24   (updated: 2009-01-26, 19:58:06)
anonymous from Englewood, United States  
@Irishman... : You KNOW you are being scammed. You should post the e-mail addy, money request letters, photos etc. on here so they will go into google search. Because you can bet you are not the only potential victim for this scammer
2009-01-28, 15:04:08
from Germany  
ФСБ
Федеральная служба безопасности Российской Федерации
Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti Rossiyskoy Federaciyi

Москва, 26 января 2009    
От: Александр Васильевич Бортников
Директор ФСБ

Кому: XXXXXXXX
Тема: Александра Вайкторовна Федорова

Mr XXXXXXX,
Your letter has been taken under my personal responsibility. As it is a very serious accusation, and your evidences are very consistent, I ordered all my personnel in Yoshkar-Ola to find this person. At your request I attached a translated copy of the Russian Constitution where it talks about this kind of crime.
I will have her arrested for fraud, documents falsification and use of false identity.
It should not take more than some days to find this person, man or woman, as we already know a lot about scamming activity at Yoshkar-Ola.
As soon as we have this person under arrest you will be immediately informed.
The name is correct and matches for two women leaving at the province of Marij El.
The other one is classified information and you cannot be informed about it.
One has the address you gave but slightly different.
Unfortunately it is also classified information yet.
We have checked the address you sent and there is nobody with this name in it.

Ul. Voinov-Internacionalistov 18
Joshkar-Ola
Marij El Resp.
424038
Russian Federation
Or:
Ул. Воинов-Интернационалистов 18
Йошкар-Ола
Марий Эл Респ.
424038
Российская Федерация

The map you sent us is correct.
About the passport copy you sent to me:
It is a falsification of an existing passport, belonging to other person. It is also classified information yet.

International calls to Yoshkar-Ola: +7(8362) local telephone number.
About militia addresses they are correct but please don’t contact them. It is a federal investigation from now on.
OVO PRI COM UVD G.JJOSHKAR-OLA
Jjoshkar-Ola g., Lenina prosp., d.21, ph. +7(8362) 41-5600

UPRAVLENIE VNEVEDOMSTVENNOJJ OKHRANY PRI MVD RESPUBLIKI MARIJJ JEL
Jjoshkar-Ola g., Komsomol'skaja ul., d. 139, ph.+7(8362)12-0149

UVD G.JJOSHKAR-OLA
Jjoshkar-Ola g., Leninskijj prosp., d.21, ph.+7(8362)41-4867

ZARECHNYJJ
Jjoshkar-Ola g., Karla Libknekhta ul., d. 92 ph.+7(8362)64-7400

Finally, yes this is our head quarters at Moscow.
Should you have any further questions don’t hesitate to contact me.
Please do write to my personal address or to the link bellow.
Best regards,

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2009-01-28, 22:22:40
[hidden] from United States  
Here's one from Ghana, Yala Musah (email and Yahoo IM= yala_musah2@yahoo.com). She has not yet asked for money but she had 'gradually' fallen in love with me during the past few weeks. Her English is broken but all of a sudden, in this email below, she is a poet:

Its My Pleasure To Hear from You,Thanks for your E-mail and Everything Single Letter Of your E-mail Sounds Intresting.And All we have to Do Know Is To Know More about each Other and Know what Each Other Is Looking for Ok and Also trust, loyalty and respect are a must for eternal happiness. No matter how much you love someone if you donʼt have these ingredients you will never succeed.To be in love means being patient but to be patient you must trust him/her first.You can never find love through the eye or ear, so you must trust the only thing that will never fade until you die, your heart..

Love is like trust, when you find your special someone it is as if you're trusting them with your heart..Trust is what you put in someone's hands. Faith is what you hold on to.Trust is what makes everyone realize that you are always there for them...... Faith is what makes everyone realize that you are always there to help them in case they need some helpLove makes not everyone, but the only one in your life who is special, think that you are always there for her, to be with her, to make her realize how much you really love her.

Happiness is the only thing on earth that cannot be paid by any diamonds, gold or money.Money and love aren't the same thing. The more you spend money, the less you have, the more you spend love, the more you get in return..... Love doesn't cost money, but it does require the payment of your heart.A man can inherit a house and money from his parents,but only the Lord can give him a sensible wife.Love is when money and materialistic things no longer matter. It's when you're holding the hand of the woman you love and you feel like the richest man in the world - you have everything.... With money, we can buy all things, but with love, we find everything that really matters.It isn't money, fame, or power, no, the greatest adventure in life is love.Power is one thing; money and power are two things, but love is everything..

Love means making the other happy, even from a distance.Don't measure the distance; measure my love.Distance does not matter if two hearts are loyal to one another.Distance between two hearts is not an obstacle; rather a great reminder of just how strong true love can be...... No matter the distance between our hearts, I will pay for the long distance calls to hear your heart and voice.To truly love something, If it survives, it is going to be stronger than ever.Distance is pure proof of this, It's not the distance that counts, it's the love.Love knows no boundaries, no distance, no fear...... What captures is the God's love that will eternally melt hearts together to stay, fused and sealed forever as one. Love has its way and new life has begun. contrary to what the cynics say, distance is not for the fearful, it is for the bold. It's for those who are willing to spend a lot of time alone in exchange for a little time with the one they love.And hope to hear from you soon..
My Messenger is yala_musah2@yahoo.com That is My Messenger Ok add me Now so That we can Chat Ok



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2009-01-29, 02:48:35
anonymous from United Kingdom  
2009-01-29, 02:49:37
anonymous from United Kingdom  
He's been very busy lately!!!

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2009-01-29, 02:50:27
anonymous from United Kingdom  
2009-01-29, 12:51:49
[hidden] from United Kingdom  
First e-mail arrived from Alexi_girl<Alexandra_girl@spiritlevel.com I wondered how she/he got my e-mail, nonetheless a devilishly attractive girl. Photos not revealing, just pretty girl! I was asked to reply to, alexagirl777@mailcafe24.com as she doesn't have home PC...Then her name became Aleksandra, and a lot of the stuff she sends seems similar to the content of your scam website! Plenty photos but apparently her mobile phone was stolen, so no phone no. and as yet no request for £££'s. apparently she works in a 'parfume' shop. I enclose one of her letters...

(quote)...Hi John. Thanks that my letter does not remain without attention and I
am very glad that you have answered me. I did not think that you so
soon to me will answer and sincerely was delighted when have found in
my mailbox your answer. As I wrote to you I from Russia, my city in
the central part of our country and between us distance and a time
difference, but I do not know what. I have written to you because I
wish to find for myself fine man that it understood me and
appreciated, that cared of me and was pleased and experienced together
with me. Simply I wish to have worthy the man. I the lonely, fragile
woman in this difficult and complex world and am necessary to me a
support and a reliable man's shoulder in a life, it is possible you?
Sorry if I cannot answer at once to you, but understand, I work in the
afternoon and I can answer you only using internet-cafe to look your
mail and to write to you... Therefore I cannot answer at once to you,
but I visit internet-cafe in the morning before work and in the
evening after work (if it is not so tired), or in the afternoon when I
receive little bit free time. I hope you will wait for my letter and I
too with impatience and excitement wait for your answer. It is
pleasant to read each your letter... Aleksandra, your friend from cold
Russia..... I with impatience wait for yours fotos!!!! In England
Coldly? At us it is cool-10 degree, and it is Russian winter.

I will be interested to find out what you think, in the meantime I will try to figure out how to forward her picures, certainly if you e-mail me back I can attache them to my next e-mail to you! many thanks in advance.

2009-01-29, 19:52:52   (updated: 2009-01-29, 19:53:59)
[hidden] from United States  
From Germany (the guy who posted the letter from Russian FSB)

That is very interesting! Can you contact me? My name is Elena Garrett, and I am very curious to know about all criminal cases against Russian scammers, my email is 'elena at russian-detective.com'. I would VERY curious to find out more about your case.

I am for real, you can google my name.

Or you can call me if you wish. +1 469 371 4061.

2009-01-29, 19:56:01
[hidden] from United States  
From Germany (the guy who posted the letter from Russian FSB)

That is very interesting! Can you contact me? My name is Elena Garrett, and I am very curious to know about all criminal cases against Russian scammers, my email is 'elena at russian-detective.com'. I am VERY curious to find out more about your case.

I am for real, you can google my name.

Or you can call me if you wish. +1 469 371 4061.

2009-01-30, 04:18:56
Klaus from Germany  
@anon from Germany

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Klaus
2009-01-30, 08:59:48
joshjao2619@yahoo.com from Singapore  
Hi to all! I have here a sample letter or email.

Hello my dear
How are you over there?I am very happy to your response to the mail i sent to you in your address at the site,i am Miss sonia Darblo,Age 25 ,ft5/6 wt59,the only daughter of Late Dr.Benson Darblo,from liberia in Africa,who died during the war in my country,My late father Was the personal assistance to Dr Amos Sawyer, before he was assasinated alongside with my mother on a cold blood one morning.
But i managed to escape for my dear life and ran into a neighbouring country,(Dakar) the capital of (Senegal) and i am reciding here now as a refugee.
Meanwhile,I am writting to you now in a Revrend's computer and will like to know you the more before we move forward from here!.
I will like to know what you do for a living,remember that you caught my attention in that site that was why i wrote you at the first time.Here is some of my pictures i came here with,and wish to see yours,Awaiting for your reply soonest!
Thanks,
sonia


I didn't suspect anything susupicious about this email. Until......


My dearest
I am glad to write given the opportunity now. Hope you are fine.
I thank God for you.your message was a bit relief for me. May God protect you for me.i hard of fantasy in paper that's why i found you.

In this camp,we are only allowed to go out from the camp only on Mondays and Fridays of the weeks.Its just like one staying in the prison and I hope by Gods grace and with your help I will come out here soon.i don't have any relatives now whom I can go to all my relatives ran away in the middle of the war.

The only person I have now is Rev. Mathew who is the Reverend Minister in charge of the church in this camp ( CHRIST DE SAVIOR MISSION).The pastors e-mail address is (revmathewlinus@yahoo.com)

He has been very nice to me since I came here but I am not living with him rather I am living in the women's hostel because the camp have two hostels one for men the other for women.The Pastors Tel number is (+221-76-4932123) Feel free to call me through his number. If you call and tell him that you want to speak with me, he will send for me in the hostel.

As a refugee here I don't have any right or privilege to any thing be it money or whatever because it is against the law of this country.I want to go back to my studies because I only attended my first year before the tragic incident that lead to my being in this situation now took place.

Please listen to this,I have my late father's statement of account and death certificate here with me which I will send to you latter,because when he was alive he deposited some amount of money in a leading bank in London which he used my name as the next of kin,the amount in question is $5.3( Five Million, three Hundred Thousand US Dollars).

So I will like you to help me transfer this money to your own account and from it i will come over there. I kept this secret to people in the camp here the only person that knows about it is the Reverend because he is like a father to me.

So in the light of above.I will like you to keep it to yourself and don't tell it to anyone about this because, I am afraid of loosing my life and the money if people gets to know about it. Remember I am giving you all these informations due to the trust I deposed on you.I like honest, understanding and God fearing people,truthful and a man with vision, and hardworking.
Meanwhile I will like you to call me like I said i have a lot to tell you.
Have a nice day and think about me.
I wait to hear from you soonest
Thanks and remain blessed

Yours ,
Sonia


Catching up? Theres more........!


Dearest,Heart

I thank you ones again this day. I will also like to see you face to face and will use this opportunity to let you know that GOD has chosen you to help me among other men on earth its now left for you,And God who directed you to help me out from this predicament i found myself.

Please i have not told anyone except you and the reverend about the existence of this money and i will like you to please keep it secret to other people because since it is (MONEY) all eyes will be on it. Remember i trusted you, that is why i am giving you all this in formations! My love is for you and you alone, I have informed the bank about my plans
to claim this money and the only thing they told me is to look for a foreign partner who will stand on my behalf due to my refugee status and the laws of this country. You will have 15% of the total money for helping me and the remaining money will be managed by you in any business of your choice.

In this regard i will like you to contact the bank immediately with this information, tell them that you are my foreign partner and that you want to know the possibilities of assisting me in transfering the sum of ($5.3 Million US Dollars) deposited by my late father of which i am the next of kin to your account in your country.
The contact in formations of the bank is as follows,

STANDARD CHARTERED BANK PLC UK.
(Standardbankuk@financemail.net)
(scb_transferdept@mail2world.com)
The name of the transfer officer is Mr Paul Leeds.
Telephone number: +44-70-3184-0970
fax number +44-87-0495-8152
Information about the deposit code are as follows.

Name of depositor: Dr.Benson Darblo
Nationality: Liberia
Next of kin : Miss God line Sonia Darblo
Amount deposited:$5.3m
Account Number: SCBUK745608902546/QB/91/A

God line is the name my parents called me while they were alive and Sonia is the name that people and friends know me with .Contact them now on how to transfer the $5.3 million Dollars deposited by my late father of which i am the next of kin.I have maped out 15% for your assistance and 5% for any expenses that might come up in this transfer. My dear i am
glad that God has brought you to see me out from this situation and i promise to be kind and i will equally need you in every area of my life plus investing this money since i am still too young to handle this amount of money.

As i told you before, this camp is just like a prison and my prayers is to move out from here as soon as possible. Please make sure that you will contact the bank today so that after the transfer you can send some money from that money for me to prepare my traveling documents to meet with you in your country.
Yours forever


That broke my heart! Ouch!
Have a nice day everyone! Please feel free to email me.




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