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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2009-02-02, 03:16:28
anonymous from France  
Please do not post inappropriate pictures. Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity. The owner of this web site reserves the right to delete such material.

Where is the owner of this site?
Or this is just a joke?
Nude and porn pics every where?
Now we have also children here?
Looks like a porn site.
2009-02-02, 05:16:09
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Yes, you're right and I agree with you anonymous from France!

It does need a good 'clean up' in places!!!

2009-02-02, 08:42:35   (updated: 2009-02-02, 08:44:06)
Bandhar from Brazil  
As you saw a french guy thinks like me and like you.
Unfortunately I have been seeing a lot of rubbish posted by Brazilians all over the site. When I begun to post here, it seemed to me I was doing something helpful to others and contributing to make scammer´s life a little bit difficult.
Now I have to admit that if the admin doesn´t do something very quickly, we will all be going to have a porn site or a scammer site instead of its original objectives.
Not only Brazilians but people all over the world are using this site to post all kind of idiot accusations, photos with no info, minors photos, and very offensive porn photos.
It makes me think if these kind of people are not the same or worse than those they supposedly call scammers.
My personal understanding is that scam bating is not a joke nor a funny entertainment.
I have been helping quite a lot of honest people who had serious problems with scammers.
I had my share too. It is not a joke and sometime I could tell you a woman history who has been menaced, as well as her young daughters, by a 419 idiot, for more than 3 months.
Fortunately I got the info from Nigeria and I now know that this guy is dangerous and wanted since 2005. According to EFCC, he is living in England. But they as well are not sure. As phone calls and e-mails were all coming from Lagos, he most probably be still there. The fact is that they have all info about him. I don´t know what will happen but he stopped to call and write after some letters from me.
I am not better than anyone. There are many guys here that I do admire. Many helped me when I needed. Some are from the US, others from Germany, Holland, Australia, Sweden, Portugal, and many others.
I wonder why they don´t get together and do something to stop this. I have not the right to say anything about the Admin, nor I will do it. It is his site and he knows what is happening. I understand that he knows that something must be done. But if this does not change, I will look for a better place to continue my 'work'.
Surely it will not be here.
Best regards
2009-02-02, 10:09:47
OJAS from United States  
At the bottom of every page, just above the picture search, it says in red:

Please do not post inappropriate pictures. Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors and nudity. The owner of this web site reserves the right to delete such material.

It takes just a few seconds for those, who are not visually challenged. Instead some guys are determined to prove to the world, by posting inappropriate contents, they can make an ass of themselves much better than others can make them.

But there is a second point far more serious. Certain contents mentioned by the Admin, are outright criminal, Webmasters should add those IPs to http://www.delphifa..p=8#115137
2009-02-02, 21:24:46
anonymous from United States  
Ojas: Anon From France is making a valid point. He is obviously aware of the warning note just below 'add picture' relating to ' inappropriate pictures'. Otherwise he would not have made his comment in the first place.
This section of the site is very useful and has helped many people. But it has become a 'free-for-all' without any control or moderation.
I expect Peter is too busy to monitor every post. As the site has grown so much to fix it now would be a major task..
2009-02-03, 10:27:50
OJAS from United States  
Anon France, and others have already seen and abide by the Admin warning.

I mean there are some, who refuse to abide, or refuse to see. If these guys cross the line, I suggest their IPs banned & blacklisted
2009-02-04, 08:03:57
anonymous from United States  
Here's one from a scammer who sends friends requests on Tagged: In this case the imaginary girl 'lives' in Washington Is, WI. She's got a little gender identity issue, since in her Tagged profile she is ' In short, I'm just a fun-lovin'-easy-going-get-along-with -everyone-try-anything- appreciate-the-best-AND-simple-thing s-in-life kind of guy. '

The 'girl''s profile name on Tagged is Honestgirl

It's worth noting that there are boards where you can see request for profile generating scripts, such as 'generate 5000 MySpace profiles/day, select age, location, gender, automatically add description and photos....' I figure this is one of those thousands since you wouldn't write 'I'm a fun loving hockey and golf .... guy' in a profile claiming to be a woman.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer 'honestgirl'

2009-02-04, 20:34:47
anonymous from United States  
I wasn't taken in at all since the letters I received were a total disconnect from the letters I sent. I then viewed the source code on the letters and found they were being prepared on a notorious scam program called The Bat!. This program is never found on personal computers let alone laptops or in E-cafes. I then searched the addresses
used and found letters identical to those I received and pictures of the woman purported to be writing me. I had not even started writing to meet a wife. My own wife is as pretty as any of these girls I have seen and even when I told ' Daria Sapichheva' my wife was eager to meet her she continued on and on about love, sex, and getting married.
The whole scam is aimed at the lonely man who can respond to a pretty face and a sob story. That is 90% of all men.
An Oregon Hippie
2009-02-07, 18:32:26
anonymous from United States  

2009-02-11, 20:37:35
anonymous from France'( alias kristie kathy ) has anyone seen this girl , i think she is a scammer
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Rose Kimberly in Africa

2009-02-14, 16:02:39
Hello Dear,

I am more than happy in your mail to mybox How are you today? l hope fine.Mine is not too good due to my suffering condition here in Dakar Senegal.My name is Miss judith Weah, I am (22) years old, single and never married, 5ft 8 inches Tall, 55kg weight, black hair and brown eyes,l am from Liberia in West Africa and presently l am residing in a church Orphanage home here in Dakar Senegal as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country some years ago.I lost my both Parents during this deadly Political War.That Damaged Thousands of innocent Souls in Liberia.My family was among the first target of the rebels because my Late father a Successful business and also a politician supporting the Present Government when the problems was about to start.Due to this all the members of my family was Murdered in a cold Blood and our family house was set blazed.I was Lucky and escaped death because i was in bordering when this deadly incident took place.
It is only myself who is alive now and l managed to make my way to a nearby country Senegal where l am staying now and never pray or think to step my legs in that bloody country called Liberia.
I would like to know more about you.Your likes and dislikes,your hobbies and what you are doing presently. I will tell you more about myself in my next mail. Attached here is my picture.Hoping to hear

2009-02-14, 18:07:23
Does anyone have any dealings with irina morozova from St petersburg??

2009-02-15, 21:04:16   (updated: 2009-02-15, 21:05:33)
anonymous from United States  
Check these scammers out, one named katrinia something i'm trying to fix, think its really a guy, and anastia was nice but a scam as well!

2009-02-15, 21:07:08
anonymous from United States  
another scammer!

2009-02-15, 21:08:18
anonymous from United States  
and the pics go on!

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