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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-02-22, 22:33:34   (updated: 2009-02-22, 22:35:11)
otterracoonman@hotmail.com from United States  
Yet another photo of Rica Frederica Debonsu AKA as Frederica Debonsu
Kind Regards Jerry \\'^o^'//
This image was also posted here:
Most of this site's traffic comes from.. Ukraine?



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2009-02-24, 13:50:02
anonymous from Israel  
i my name is bar im from israel
dis woman send me lethers and want from me 600$ for flying tiket to israel
laki for me to vizit this sait

tenks
BAR


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2009-02-24, 13:56:23
anonymous from Israel  
2009-02-24, 16:20:11
gianfranco.iasiello@tin.it from Maassluis, Netherlands  
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Hi guys,
on the 19th of January 2009 I was contacted by a girl whose name is Tatyana Bykonya from St Petersburg.
She said me that she found my email on a website quechup.com. She said that after having seen my profile she decided to be in relationship with me, but she removed her account from quechup because she wanted me and nothing else.
I immediately decided to play the game in order to have more time to spot the scams, but after two weeks of trials and errors I was quite sure that it was a scammer.

He/she was very patient and asked me some pictures about my family and details of my private life. At a certain point I was doubting that it was a fake contact. I was never asked for money at all and this was quite suspicious, too. If it's a scam why to wait for a long time with the risk that somebody can catch the impostor?

The email she used was Belo4ka2321@yahoo.com and she was sending the emails from mondays to fridays, but not saturday or sunday. She claimed to write the emails from an Internet cafè that it was closed on weekend (who is so stupid to close an internet cafè on weekends when the clients are supposed to frow on those days?).

Then I invented a nice story about a Russian woman who cheated an Italian man for money. And I said this Tatyana Bykonya that the man was my friend and that I had to help him by going to Italy. Then I said that I had the passport from her and that I would have checked the identity at the Russian embassy in Italy where I have a friend of mine working there.

Result: she disappeared from night to day and they are already two weeks that she doesn't contact me.

PS: I lived one year in Russia and I was going to get married there. I know the modus operandi of the genuine Russian girls. And I know the despair they have in their life so poor and exposed to the violence of the heartless men. But I even know that in order to escape such an hell they can even put themselves on the market of the wealthy marriages. I saw already many cases and I risked to be one of those.

I hope that lonely men can think that in life nothing is for free... especially the love and body of a gorgeous russian girl.

Best regards to everyone. I like your website.


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2009-02-25, 09:46:21
anonymous from United States  
2009-02-27, 09:54:01
anonymous from Australia  
@ anonymous from Israel 2009-02-24, 13:56:23

As you can see BAR your 2nd photo has been used by scammers before!
Do not send money or gifts to anyone you have not meet in person. That way you will never lose it to them.

You are probably talking to a man, using stolen photo's. Be careful!
2009-03-01, 16:02:24
rhpratt@cableone.net from United States  
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Hello Men, I too am a part of the SUCKER CLUB!
But I caught this scam before there was any money exchange thanks to this site.
MY STORY - Just before valentines day I sent a WINK to a girl on a dating site, stating that she lived in West Fargo, ND. She replied, Her name is Yuliya and lives in Russia. O.K. West Fargo is not in Russia. When I rechecked her profile it was gone. I did a search and found the profile with a different user name and photo of her and this time she was listed in Grand Forks, ND. I continued the e-mails with her and they were very convincing for awhile. But my natural male logic kicked in and I realized it was a scam. Part of me was hoping it wasn't true cause I like the way this girl looks. Then I found this site and it confirmed my suspicion. The e-mail address used by this Yuliya is 'yradiantprincess@yahoo.com' She/He sent me a photo with every e-mail, nice photos. Says she is Yuliya from Suslonger Russia. Here is one of her letters.

Hello My Friend *****, I am glad to receive your letter. I when went
today along the street, have not stumbled nearly at sidewalk. I went
and thought of in what you can be engaged. And during the latest
moment has noticed, that now shall stumble and has stopped. And what
today happens in your life?
****** I wish to learn from you about your friends. What can you tell
about them? Tell to me more in detail. I very much would like to know
about them. How you have got acquainted? How have become friends?
Whether for a long time you friends? How many at you friends who
always will help you?
****** I do not know why, but in my life have developed, so there were
many girlfriends. But it is most than me always supported and one
helped with all only. Her name Nastya.
****** we are familiar with her for a long time, and I send you a
photo, where I with her. How you think, she
the good person? I shall answer itself this question. Very good and
devoted friend. We with her always were together. When I have told to
her that has got acquainted with you. she has been surprised. She has
asked, whence at me it is so much boldness. Also has much asked about
you. When I have told, she has told that you good the man.
I with impatience every day wait for your photos and letters. And I
hope, that tomorrow when I shall come in the Internet of cafe I too
shall receive your letter and a photo.
******, I think of you..... It is a lot of.... And you like me...
Yuliya
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Dating scammer Yuliya Solovyeva
Dating scammer Yuliya Solovyeva
Dating scammer Yuliya Solovyeva



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2009-03-01, 16:37:09
anonymous from United States  
Here is another scammer under the names of:
Laura George Lagos, Nigeria
Fatimah

This one also uses the name Jessica Williams and claims to be a missionary in Nigeria. Here profile says she lives in Michigan, ND but in her letters she says she is from Canada. She has a sad story; and orphan since age 7. one of her letters:

AM JESSICA BY NAME AND I AM HERE TO FIND THE RIGHT MAN, WHEN I MEAN THE RIGHT MAN I MEAN A MAN WHO IS GOD FEARING, LOVING AND HONEST, A MAN WHO IS FAITHFUL, DOES NOT CHEAT AND IS READY TO SETTLE DOWN WITH HIS FAMILY.
I WILL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE AND WHY YOU FELT IT WAS NECESSARY CONTACTING ME ON ********* (I APPRECIATE THAT).
WELL A LITTLE MORE ABOUT ME, I AM A MISSIONARY AND I HOPE THAT WON'T SCARE YOU AWAY FROM ME, I MINISTER TO PEOPLE AROUND BASICALLY THE BEGGERS ON THE STREETS, MOTHERLESS BABIES, HIV/AIDS VICTIMS. I TRY BRINGING HOPE TO THE HOPELESS, ENCOURAGING THEM AND MAKING THEM SEE REASONS WHY THEY SHOULD BELIEVE AND TRUST THE LORD AS THEIR PERSONALS SAVIOR.
HOW DID IT ALL START? I WAS 7 YRS OF AGE WHEN I LOST MOM AND DAD AND THERE WAS NO ONE THERE FOR ME, I WENT THROUGH THE TERRIBLE THINGS OF LIFE UNTIL MOMS FRIEND IN CANADA CAME TO MY RESCUE BY TAKING ME TO CANADA WHERE SHE RESIDES AND THERE SHE SHOWED ME THE LOVE OF THE LORD AND THE NEED TO KNOWING HIM AND DOING HIS WILL THAT WAS HOW I JOINED THE MINISTRY. YRS LATER, I WAS CHOSEN AS ONE OF THOSE WHO WILL BE NEEDING TO TRAVEL TO COUNTRIES SHARING THE GOSPEL AND BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE LORD.PRESENTLY, I AM IN NIGERIA AFRICA DOING THIS SAME WORK AND I WAS IN LONDON BEFORE I GOT POSTED TO AFRICA NOW, THIS HAPPENS TO BE MY SECOND TIME TRAVELLING SINCE I JOINED THE MINISTRY AND I MUST SAY IT'S FUN TRAVELLING TO NEW PLACES.
I INCLUDED IN MY PROFILE THAT I AM READY TO RELOCATE FOR THE RIGHT MAN IF NEED BE COS I HAVE ALMOST COME TO THE END OF MY MINISTERING AND HOPE TO FIND A MAN WHO I CAN LOVE FOR WHO HE IS AND SPEND MY ENTIRE LIFE WITH, RAISE KIDS AND BRING THEM UP IN A CHRISTAIN WAY(I LOVE CHILDREN SO MUCH),HELP PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP.AS THE BIBLE SAYS:
Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their work: If one falls down, his friend can help him up. But pity the man who falls and has no one to help him up! Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm. But how can one keep warm alone? The one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.'
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THIS POSSIBLE BY GIVING IT A TRIAL.NO HEAD GAMES PLEASE! AS I HAVE BEEN HURT IN THE PAST AND I KNOW HOW IT FEELS. WE CAN CHAT ON YAHOO MESSENGER, MY YAHOO ID FOR CHAT IS THE SAME AS MY EMAIL ADDRESS.
HOPE TO HEAR FROM U SOON
REGARDS,



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2009-03-04, 01:26:09
anonymous from United States  
james I got the same pictures from Ekaterina Syntik and she had a passport.I,m email her tommorow to tell her to go to the bank for some money but the police will be waiting for her to try and pick the money up.I got hold of the embassy in Moscow to report her scam,hopefully we can stop this Mike USA
2009-03-04, 05:55:41
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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I've only just read your articles and am now feeling somewhat gullible!!

I've just received a very similar letter from the Pervocvet Agency but thankfully having not believed the absolute stunning 'Zoya' was really interested in me in the first place, the email from Pervocvet confirmed my thoughts.

Rather than simply roll-over and die of embarrassment, I was instead really pissed off so I sent them this reply which is as fictitous as 'Zoya' herself!

Dear Sirs Further to your email below, please send me details of your service so that I can review the possibility of continuing my communication with Zoya.

However, I'm afraid I am somewhat suspicious of your request and am wondering if 'Zoya' even exists. We have discovered similar cases previously where fictictous characters are created in order to launder money from innocent people like myself.

There are elements unique to these cases and I have seen some of these elements whilst communicating with Zoya such as her obvious advoidance of giving me her phone number and more recently her home address.

I hope you will therefore understand that the Government department I work for will need to investigate your operation to determine its vailidity and if you are who you claim to be then this investigation need not be of any concern to you.

Regards


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2009-03-04, 11:18:12
anonymous from United States  
'Zoya' is in fact Ukraine 2008 Eurovision Song Contest entrant by the name of Ani Lorak. Ани Лорак

http://e-news.com.u..1799.html
2009-03-04, 14:50:05
anonymous from Australia  

hi I am new to this datting scammers

can you tell me if she is a scammer

her name is posted as midwest500 from ghana

thanks mark


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2009-03-04, 16:17:48
anonymous from Australia  
scam she calls herself jane jackon supposedly from accra in ghana it starts with i am borrowing my friends mobile phone then asks can you get a mobile phone for me so we can talk mobile phone goes missing left it somewhere , please can i have another one phone( no2 )my mother is very sick if she do'snt ge medicene she may die 3 can't aford food becase we had to get medicine for mother( 4) borrows someones mobile the latest phone from europe gets lost owner is a wife of worker in germany worker sent phone to wife 5 police get involved you end up talking to someone who says they are the police also talk to the worker he's back in ghana he wants 1500 dollars for phone or jane goes to jail ,mother starts talking to you on phone also brother also uncle you can easliy get enrolled with them . (6) you start sending money for their living expenses and for jane to start saving for passport and documents mother says she has a present for us as a couple 45 kilos of gold
that is given to jane money for documentation then money for ailine ticket then money for corupt police or customs to pass the gold . then visa money mother and brother die in car accident no money to bury them , the n a uncle hears about the gold so jane flees from the family home ,uncle tracks her down beats up janes friend have to pay for accomidation , it goes on and on befriends a police commander you gessed it he gets killed in a car accident nothing in ghana newspapers jane badly hurt in hospital needs money mediciene and hospital care this was over 3 years they got me good
2009-03-04, 17:26:57   (updated: 2009-03-04, 17:28:04)
anonymous from United States  
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Hello Mark from Australia
Yes that is a scammer. First off there are no white woman in Ghana Africa on line.
Do not believe any story that they moved their for any reason.
It is a stolen photo. A guy most likely is who you would be chatting with.
If you telephone her/him they put a girl on the line. Notice how the voice doesn't
match the picture. Please save yourself from losing money and getting your feelings trashed by a ass hole who only wants to steal your money.
Contact me if you like, I will answer any questions you may have.
Never post your e mail address on this site. Plus never tell your scammer where
you get your information from. They monitor this site already and try to improve
their lies. I am at war with these low life's. They have actually contacted me and
said they saw my profile on Delphifaq. LOL What profile ? LOL
Just know there is no doubt that your being scammed.
Kind Regards Jerry \\'^o^'//
2009-03-04, 22:40:04   (updated: 2009-03-04, 22:41:32)
[hidden] from United States  
Mike from USA,

Please post Ekaterina Syntik's passport here, if you can - I enjoy collecting fake passports (or you can send it to my email: elena at russian-detective.com if you wish).

Unfortunately, no police will be waiting for Ekaterina at the bank. In order for police to arrest anyone, they need a warrant, and in order to obtain a warrant, they need to have an open criminal case and enough evidence to show to the judge that this person needs to be arrested. They can't just come into a bank and start arresting people standing in line to Western Union. Receiving money is not a crime! it takes weeks for police to collect enough info to get authorization for a sting operation, even IF they have an open case. To get a case open a victim who lost money needs to contact Russian police and file a formal criminal complaint. The Embassy cannot file a complaint - only a victim can.

So, sorry to disappoint you, but.... nothing will happen to Ekaterina. And if you give 'her' a fake Western Union MTCN, the scammers will find out quickly by calling Western Union and checking whether the transfer is really available for pickup...

Elena Garrett
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