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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-04-04, 00:25:29
anonymous from United States  
Hey guys i have talked on afrointroductions for about 5 mouths, all i can say is beware of lady from ghana. All you have to do is listen to them, and you will notice that they all say the samt thing at the same time, am sure that they are reading from a card, what i do is play along, just to see how far they will go, at the samt time, i promist them what erer they want by telling them that they have to prove themselves to me before i send them the money. it works every time, and to show you how stupid they are once they find out that they have been scamed. You dont hear from them for a while then they come back under another name, when the ask me to share pic that is where the fun come in I accept and then i send them the pic that they sent be but i sedn thet to their ema, report them and most of the time you never hear from them again.............................................hound dog
2009-04-04, 01:01:50
jullya3@link.net from Lebanon  
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Good evening. That would be a good thing for them to cut on my tombstone: Wherever she went, including here, it was against her better judgment.
I am from India and , too, and now am writing in English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: 'Apr if you buy airline tickets on craigslist you could find yourself paying for the tickets twice thanks to this latest.'

Thank you so much for your future answers 8-). Valarie.
2009-04-05, 14:54:37
anonymous from United States  
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Very helpful to me. Was totally clueless to all of this and now I know thanks to you guys! This here claims to be lana law. Says she's from Delaware and a microbiologist working in lagos,nigeria. She claims to be half'rican' and half american. Said she needed $ for the hotel and the infamous 'bta' fee that I absolutly had no clue about. I guess I must have been living under a rock to not know this shit was going on. Like an asshole I sent $ and she never showed. I'm going by what info I got but she could very well be a russian girl. Complete textbook scam that I was unaware but had a feeling that something was not right. You live and learn and I certainly did from you guys. Thanks again just wish I knew about this site sooner. I'll post the other photo and give more details as needed. Thank you. She was staying at the peaceland hotel and said she was flying klm. She very well could be still over there or in the u.s. there are a lot of lana laws in the u.s. so sorry if that's your name and your not the scammer.


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2009-04-05, 15:13:42
anonymous from United States  
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Here is the other photo of Lana 'LILY' Law. She knew how to describe herself and it could actually be her but I doubt it . This girl looks too innocent but i'm sure most of them do. She contacted me through True.com, I received an e-mail from her through the site, started chatting - and of course did not know then what I do now. Right away with the dead parents and nobody cares for her and so on. She supposedly ended a relationship 9 months ago due to her man always cheating on her when she was out of the country for her 'job'. When I asked for an address of course it was like pulling teeth then finally gave me an address that turned out to be Delaware State U. I figured she was for real. Every time I asked for her location in the state, it would be diffrent, on her True profile it said New Castle, then she claimed Newark and then finally Dover? This could very well be a veteran in the game with a new id because i can't see someone doing this just once when there are gullable suckers like me out there? I feel like the biggest asshole for being so blind to this, can anyone help?


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2009-04-05, 16:51:59
anonymous from United States  
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Hello Anonymous from the US
Your posting on Lana Lilly Law is a very typical scam.
You sound by your comments that your not completely convinced this is a scam.
Please for your own sake understand it truly is a scammer working your emotions.
They give you the heart breaking story's with the innocent look its just plain cold
hearted Bull Shit. The sooner you let go of the fantasy in your mind the better.
There is not anyone who would tell you different places where they live.
Plus no Microbiologist would leave the the US unprepared to pay their way.
They would be fully funded. For God's sake wake up and see the reality of this.
Your not a ass hole unless you keep your head up your ass about this.
Fool Me once shame on You. Fool Me twice shame on Me.
There are no dead relatives there is no Hotel bill There are no White woman in
Nigeria looking for Love on the Internet. The fact you met this person contacted you
through True.com then started asking for money should have been a red flag.
Scammers make their money from guy's who send money to people they don't
know personally. There are many guy's working scam's out of Nigeria pretending to
be woman. You most likely were talking to a guy. His girl friend or relative speak
when a phone call is made. No one for any reason can be trusted coming out of
Nigeria, Ghana, or Africa as far as that goes right now. Don't worry about the name its made up the pictures are stolen. Never tell your scammer He / She that you learned
the truth on this site. Plus never give your e mail address on here not unless you want to be flooded with scammers. They watch this site as is. Even when you end it they will beg and try to convince you they are real. Don't believe anything they say. It's all lies.
Plus ready to be contacted by the very same scammer using another name and
photo's and e mail address. They have many different ID's. they use every day.
They are expert's at manipulating your feelings. That is why they are so good
at what they do. Your not not the first guy to fall for their Bull Shit.
They use anything Religion, Sympathy you name it to fool you.
I hope you have ended it and do not lose any more money.
I also was scammed, I lost everything. So your not as dumb as, I was.
Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Olga
Dating scammer Joy Bahi
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer rose domenic
Dating scammer Telia Brown, Kate, Clara
Dating scammer Tanya
Dating scammer Amanda Smith from Ghana
Dating scammer tatyana
Dating scammer kseniya
Dating scammer kelly
Dating scammer charity amaoh
Dating scammer elena
Dating scammer Sander Ndeye
Dating scammer anita
Dating scammer Jessica Williams
Dating scammer Ms. Rhoda Addo from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer ekatarina
Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Osei Kwesi Accra Ghana kind_osei@hotmail.com from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Jamila P
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Natalya
Dating scammer Gifty Appiah
Dating scammer Osai Williams from Ghana
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 4
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Rose Kimberly in Africa
Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Linda Scott from Lagos, Nigeria
Dating scammer Charles Wright, Richard Cirsalli, Mark Cruise, Green Cowser, Mar
Dating scammer Ronald Beven
Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Yulija
Dating scammer Thomas Mends from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer SOLOMON TETEH
Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer David Neff
Dating scammer Vince Sloan
Dating scammer pretty
Dating scammer Gift Andrauke (beautifulgift4u@hotmail.com) from Canada or Africa
Dating scammer Thomas Mends from Accra, Ghana
Another dating / chat scam - USA/ Nigeria connection
Dating scammer Thomas Mends from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Anna Kobkova
Dating scam artist Sindy Becky Green in Ashley, Ohio (Lagos, Nigeria)
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Scammer Jane Mabou from Ivory Coast, Africa
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer AnitaMariam
Dating scammer natalya
Dating scammer Kim/ Brittany from Lagos, Nigeria
Dating scam artist Sindy Becky Green in Ashley, Ohio (Lagos, Nigeria)
Dating scammer Mike Connor
Dating scammer Tatyana (photos: Raven Riley)
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Rhoda Naa from Accra, Ghana
Maylaysian scammer Umar Abdul Malik
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Hannah Amissah
Dating scammer Osai Williams from Ghana



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2009-04-06, 09:58:22
anonymous from Croatia/Hrvatska  
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puno hvala sad kužim na čemu sam
2009-04-06, 11:55:15
anonymous from Sweden  
I wanna abuse Anna Ogannisyan from Ararat in Armenia.She is a scammer and taken money from men.//Magnus.
2009-04-06, 12:09:51
anonymous from Sweden  
Hello.I wanna warne for Anna Ogannisyan,27 years old from Sisian in Ararat in Armenia who has scamming me on money.She is terrible and playing on feelings and emotions.She most be stoped soon.She is a theive and lie about that she loves men for that taken theirs money from them.She lie about that she needs money to travels but she only wanna have money from men.She never arrive to men in theirs countrys.She is a theive who wanna steal money from men always.Be carefully,all of the men for her.She wanna hurt you and take youR money from you.She email is :

annfromarm@yahoo.uk.com

//MAGNUS
2009-04-06, 12:09:53
anonymous from Sweden  
Hello.I wanna warne for Anna Ogannisyan,27 years old from Sisian in Ararat in Armenia who has scamming me on money.She is terrible and playing on feelings and emotions.She most be stoped soon.She is a theive and lie about that she loves men for that taken theirs money from them.She lie about that she needs money to travels but she only wanna have money from men.She never arrive to men in theirs countrys.She is a theive who wanna steal money from men always.Be carefully,all of the men for her.She wanna hurt you and take youR money from you.She email is :

annfromarm@yahoo.uk.com

//MAGNUS
2009-04-06, 12:24:10
anonymous from Sweden  
Hello.I just wondering if you guys who has been scamming on money of Anna Ogannisyan,27 years old from Sisian in Ararat in Armenia can write and tell it here.It is interesting to know which more who has been scamming on money of her.She is a very big scammer and I wanna warne all of the people here in internet for her.

//Magnus from Sweden.
2009-04-07, 01:32:43
anonymous from France  
Olga Kondakova from Cheboksary, 29 y old, nurse at the hospital

or Ekaterina Rozhentsova.

Thanks to Klauss (Gremany)


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2009-04-07, 01:36:44
lsw92@orange.fr from France  
Olga Kondakova from Cheboksary, 29 y old, nurse at the hospital

or Ekaterina Rozhentsova.

...wearing green dress.


And friends..... can be scammers too, but not in my case.


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2009-04-07, 01:39:25
lsw92@orange.fr from France  
Olga Kondakova or Ekaterina Rozhentsova.


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2009-04-07, 10:21:52   (updated: 2009-04-07, 10:23:23)
OJAS from United States  
Repeating words points to scam. An honest girl will write personally, and carefully http://www.delphifa..12#127101
Third line here http://www.delphifa..411#139398
from for that that
2009-04-07, 11:43:53
anonymous from Sweden  
Hello.It is an organisation behind the scammer Anna Ogannisyan.She has the voice and the photos and the men wrotes the letters to other men.This must be stoped soon.It been good if you which read this can give me information about the scammer Anna Ogannisyan who has scammed me on a very big sume of money.I hope that all of the scammers can be stoped in the internet in the future.

Bye from Magnus from Sweden.
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