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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-04-15, 03:12:50
anonymous from Australia  
YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

THESE GUYS DON'T EVEN READ WHAT YOU SEND TO THEM

HAVE A LOOK AT THIS

I REPLIED TO THIS SLIME BALL

TELLING HIM...


nice try, pal... but this girl is all over the anti scam sites.

I only had to put a photo and the thing went berserk

Come on Boris the Slime you can do better than that.

She is actually a porn girl... give us a break!

Keep her photos it might be useful when you are in jail.

Wanker !!


AND THIS IS HIS ANSWER TO MY EMAIL...



Hello my dear (what is your real name?), thank you for your answer!
At first I think I have to say that I am new in internet and I have only good intentions.
you should know that I am not very good writer in english, please be patient to read my
messages and see many mistakes. to be fair I don't know what you want to know about me,in principle
I am usual girl.I think I should tell you about me, my interests,tastes and hobbies.I think I will tell you
about things I want to know about you and you will know my future questions.
I am 25 years old,my birthday is December, 25, 1983. I so much don't want to get older ,when I can see old women I am
getting crazy to think that it is my future .I do all the best to keep my youth and I keep my body well.In spite of all
difficultes here I am trying to be in good condition and I do a lot of exercises to be in good shape!
I am about 172 cm tall (5.6) and my weight is about 56 kg. I've been told I look well enough ,
and I think that all women have own beaty. I have never been married and I don`t have children.
I have one youngest sisters and it is great problem for us because we have only two rooms flat.you can't imagine what does it mean to be born
in small town in Russia,there are not any chances to live well,to get a good job.All young people leave towns to search
great luck in big cities but nobody waits for them there. I want to leave Russia,I know it sounds ugly but I know that I
will be lost here like many young girls before me. It is not place to grow children and have stable future.I want to meet my right man .
I think in future I can work as fitness trainer I have a certificate. My mother is my great problem too,she has a great dream to see me
married and she wants to make me happy but I think it is only my business I am not a little child. She tells me every day
that I should get married very soon... To be fair I am not sure I am able to explain all in first message I
want to say so much! I just want you to know that I am not afraid to work,I am fairly goal
oriented and I am sure you will be not disappoined to meet me in real life.I am going to spend three months
abroad to work in any good place,agency promises to help me because it is only the way I can leave Russia.I will have all documents
to travel in a few days and i will travel to moscow then,from moscow I will travel to you and they ask me about name of the city i am going to work,
if you don't mind to meet me please tell me the name of your city and nearest international airport! I will book my flight from moscow!
I think it would be so great to meet my love and stay there forever.I know that it is not so easy like I think but I think it is possible that I meat my real love.
I want to love and to be loved I want to build our own happiness,only me and my man there. I don't smoke,I tried to smoke when I was younger.
I may have a glass of red dry vine,sometimes it helps to relax. I try to take care of my body and face. I know it is all I have.
My soul may have any itnterst for you later, I thinkso.I am not a little girl and I know that at first almost all men look
at body ,legs and face.God created males such persons. Well,I think I am lost in my letter,I am not sure you
understand my goals,please feel free to ask.
I live in Russia,town Chelehov, Kirova street 27,flat 15,it is near big city Irkutsk.
My town is rather far from Moscow. Moscow is a capital of my country. I want you to reply if you understand my mind,my intentions,my soul,if
not please reply too, I will continue my searching. Well, I will close this letter,I think you are tired to read
it.and If you think that I should write shorter letters please tell me. I write from internet cafe in
Irkutsk because there are not cafes and possibility to use internet in my small town,we have 4 digital phone number and we
can't call abroad.Even to call in any big town here in Russia I have to order the call in advance.and I would like to say
please don't worry if I keep silence sometimes I have no time to travel ,it is about 25 minutes by bus from my town till Irkutsk
Please tell me more about you,your tastes,likes and dislikes .also I have a few impotant questions do you
like strong drinks too much?can you be very drunk?very ofthen?can you be rude with women?
Well,I have to stop or I will write without ending.Kiss you !see you later. In my next e-mail I will write you more things about myself and
more details about my trip and work. I will miss you, your Yuliya

> nice try, pal... but this girl is all over the anti scam sites.

> I only had to put a photo and the thing went berserk

> Come on Boris the Slime you can do better than that.

> She is actually a porn girl... give us a break!

> Keep her photos it might be useful when you are in jail.

> Wanker !!

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Yuliya' <yuliyakanashevskaya41@yahoo.com>
> To: 'dom'
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: me


> Hi my new friend
> Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
> It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
> I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any
> secrets.
> In our country crisis, rouble in relation to any other currency very much
> very strongly develops
> has very strongly fallen, there are mass reductions, for work to be arranged
> practically not probably, or
> for very small money.
> I wish to work in the USA either in the Europe or in any other COUNTRY.
> The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
> I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
> I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
> it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
> plans.
> I will work in any shop, bar or restaurant the agency that i am going
> through will suggest me some locations.
> It will be my choice in the end as to what option to go for.
> So I will have a simple work till I improve my English. And I can choose any
> town of your area,agency will only help me to get a visa and all travel
> documents + some suggested placed to work in.
> My best friend last year met the man from the USA when she worked there for
> three months, too.
> She had two jobs. From morning till 4 pm she worked in amusement park and
> after it she worked as a waitress in some bar till midnight.
> She was very tired of course but made very good money there.
> It is special programm for young people who wants to work abroad and I think
> it is the right way for me ,
> I am lost here,and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better place
> .I want to repeat the same way,it is
> only my chance to meet a nice man. I am full of plans and different dreams
> and I want to share my
> life with good man because I'm also full of love and tenderness,I know that
> I am not so beautiful like Hollywood Princess but I do hope to meet my
> Prince and
> I am sure he will be not be disappoined to meet me in the real life! This is
> why I am going to go through the same way.
> Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
> I will leave russia in two weeks or so (I can't tell you everything exactly
> right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have the man who waits for me
> there. I will work all day and I want to find a man to spend all free time
> together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet
> me I will be more than happy to meet you too.
> I will tell you all details about me and my life if you like my pictures and
> want to meet me! please send picture of you too!!!
> I write to you with my new mailbox yuliyakanashevskaya41@yahoo.com, please
> write
> letters now only on this mailbox.
> I will wait your next letter.
> Kiss you , Yuliya (this is my name)!


POSTED BY AUSSIE DOM


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2009-04-15, 04:02:33
anonymous from Salem, United States  
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Well mate Aussie Dom from Australia
No big surprise on the scammer just sending the next e mail without reading what
you wrote. LOL Good one though. I wouldn't be surprised if the scammer just
sends you the next one in the series and doesn't even care if you respond.
He will only pay attention to the money letter response. I bet if you kept telling
the dumb ass off each time he wouldn't read anything until the money letter. LOL
I know mine was oblivious all the way up to my big no to money. I loved the attention
to detail as my new love had to travel across Russia to get to Moscow.
So there was a break in the e mails to allow for train travel. Very convincing.
Same blah blah blah about coming to work in America in my case. But my sweet heart
was a Dancer. Even got the tear jerker letter of how she had to leave all her friends in her dance troop. She was going to be a Dance Instructor when she got here.
Keep the phony passport and junk when you get it. Post it for us OK.
Maybe you'll get lucky and get a nude shot just as she say's she leaving to be
with you. LOL Out of all the scammers that have tried to scam me my Tatiana
was my favorite and my first. The Russian Scammers have much classier girl's.
Play along and see what you get for your free ride.
Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//

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2009-04-15, 09:08:04
OJAS from United States  
Thanks, Aussie Dom, and Agent 86. I add this link for newbies who may not have seen.
________________________________________________________________________
@newbies, if you are in phase 1 http://www.delphifa..=10#126006
2009-04-15, 09:16:51
OJAS from United States  
On posting photos:
During scheduled database compression, larger photos are scaled to 400 pixels wide X 533 tall. This means, even a photo taken with an ordinary cell phone (640 X 480) loses details during compression. If a scammer uses these, it will be too obvious to the victim. In general it is preferable, if possible, try to find the original links, where the scammer got them, so others can see them, even before they appear here, and the original, instead of a possibly compressed photo.
2009-04-15, 12:32:06
anonymous from Netherlands  
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this one to she almost fooled me
I wonder does the person on the foto know about it all
maybe someone Knows


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2009-04-15, 14:03:12
OJAS from United States  
Researching on Sender IP:
Here is a set template of links. Click on them, substitute new IP, hit enter. Copy the new URL for posting, if you get results

http://ip-adress.co..7.239.163
http://trustedsourc..7.239.163
http://projecthoney..7.239.163
http://private.dnss..7.239.163
http://onsamehost.c..07.239.16

Next run trace the IP with

http://arin.net
http://db.ripe.net

From these 2, we only need Skeet's recommended fields http://www.delphifa..p=2#100298
2009-04-15, 15:03:17
anonymous from Australia  
anyone seen this one before?

aussie dom
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Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia



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2009-04-15, 15:04:53
anonymous from Australia  
or this one (same girl)

aussie dom


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2009-04-15, 15:06:41
anonymous from Australia  
and this one...

aussie dom


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2009-04-15, 15:14:31
OJAS from United States  
2009-04-15, 16:19:44
OJAS from United States  
2009-04-15, 20:57:11
OJAS from United States  
2009-04-15, 23:35:48
anonymous from Chile  
thanks for the information a close friend avod me loose money


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2009-04-15, 23:36:32
anonymous from Chile  



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2009-04-16, 06:35:36
OJAS from United States  
Aussie Dom, below your first picture, it says
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia
and points to http://www.delphifa..21#141118
This shows Dirk also has picked up the same scammer. Follow his posts, and update him on this scammer.
Let's see who wins the race to the money letter! :-))
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