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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-04-22, 09:23:34
anonymous from United States  
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2009-04-22, 09:24:22
anonymous from United States  
2009-04-22, 10:04:44   (updated: 2009-04-22, 10:44:57)
OJAS from United States  
Anon US, Thanks bud.
Some suggestions to make it easy for you and readers.
Before posting a picture, try the picture search in blue, at the end of this page. When it hits existing links (many of yours is dating scammer pretty) You could update that thread, just with scammer new e-mail addy, X-Mailer, and sender IP. You may not even need to upload an existing photo, if you like, open the hits, copy the URL from the address bar and just post the links.
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No probs, Aussie Dom. A useful plug-in for browser is http://tineye.com. After installing it, pix can be dowloaded from e-mail, then a right click will show the reverse search option. Or a right-click on a web page can invoke it. Google is working on a (reverse) search for similar images. At the moment I don't have info on this google option.
Cheers
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@Newbies,
This example continues with the above Aussie Dom photo after Tin Eye hits, to facilitate research & posting
Tin Eye shows the name Aida Yespica the google advanced image search for that exact phrase, turning off filtering gets the next one (I cleaned up and rewrote googlish, to make it linkable from delphi)
http://images.googl..espica%22
Since she is Italian, search her in Italian wikipedia http://it.wikipedia..a_Yespica
Search Advanced google video 100 results per page http://video.google..2&num=100
Search Youtube http://www.youtube...a+Yespica
Search Advanced google for the exact phrase, 100 results per page http://www.google.c..a+Yespica
Finally, this link is for advanced search for URLs containing yespica http://images.googl..%3Ayespica
2009-04-22, 14:04:28
OJAS from United States  
2009-04-23, 09:58:25
OJAS from United States  
aceshi,
On proxy #3 http://www.delphifa..p=3#58164
On the risks of posting personal info http://www.delphifa..57#141688
More info http://www.delphifa..=41#134646
2009-04-23, 17:08:18
anonymous  
Frank Cotton/Frank Harmer is not who he says he is. He is in Nigeria and not caucasian. He is a pro at getting into your mind and will do whatever it takes to rob you of any money you have. 011-234-808-578-2069. tlfrank_08@yahoo.com; erwin663@yahoo. frankc_99@yahoo.com., erwinlife66@yahoo

isnt this right 007?
2009-04-25, 15:25:33
anonymous from Serbia  
Look this e-mail, it is the same as the 1000 others.
I received from three girls from Senegal.


Dearest Love,
How are you doing today, l hope you are doing fine my day is very boring over here ln this camp we find it hard to go out because we are not allowed to do so, just like one staying in the prison and l hope by God's grace l will come out here soon as long as i have you in my life, I don't have any relatives now that i can go to, all my relatives ran away in the middle of the crisis the only person i have now is Rev. Peter Faye who is the Rev of the ( Christ The king Churches ) here in the camp he has been very good to me since l came here but l am not living with him rather, l am living in the women's hostel because the camp have two hostels one for men the other for women. The Rev Tel number is and email address
( revpeterfaye@yahoo.com) ( +221-763869990 ) i will like if you will call and tell him that you want to speak with me he will send for me in the hostel.

As a refugee here i don't have any right or privilege to anything be it money or whatever because it is against the law of this country. I want to go back to my studies because i only attended my first year before the tragic incident that lead to my being in this situation now took place. Honey, please l would like to tell you this that i have been keeping to myself, l have my late father's statement of account and death certificate here with me which l will like to send to you if you are willing to assist me, because when he was alive he deposited some amount of money in a leading bank in Europe which he used my name as the next of kin, the amount in question is $ 3.7 ( Three Million Seven Hundred Thousand US Dollars ).

l will please want you to assist me transfer this money to your account in your country so from it you will send some money for me to get my travelling documents to come over to meet with you because here is so bad for me. I cannnot withdraw the money my self due to my refugee statues here in this country which does not permit me to, i will want before i could give you the contact of the bank, you to send me some contact informations of yours such as your?

FULL Name ........................................................

Address .............................................................

Phone Numbers..............................................

Country...............................................................

I did got in touch with the bank and made them to know about my plans to withdraw this money, l also got them aware of the death of my father and they have acknowledged it with all there confirmation. However, they advise me to get in touch with a very responsible person who will stand on my behalf as my trustee as regards to this money since l am presently of refugee status over here and wouldn't be permitted to handle this amount of money, they also let me know about the bond which they signed with my father that the money will be handled to me in bulk amount which means that l should decide on if l should continue with the bank or not which i think that depends on us.

I just have to let you know about this so that you can assist me to be my trustee on this money. like l said l want you to call me because l have alot to tell you. l kept this secret to people in the camp here the only person that knows about it is the Rev .because he is like a father to me, have a nice day and take care of yourself, . l hope to hear from you soonest, have a lovely day and think of me, i remain yours forever.
MARTHA


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2009-04-25, 15:30:53
anonymous from Serbia  
Here is another one. Look et it, is`nt she beautyfull?


DAEREST ONE
firstly I thank you for your reaction to mine email; Enline with the message, which I have sent to you.How was your night over there in your country,i believe you had a nice night and that the arthmosphere over there in your country is very nice today? Mine is a little bit warm over here in Dakar Senegal.My name is Pracious Desmond i am (24) but age doesn't matter in a real relationship, so i am confortable with your age,I am from Rwanda in East Africa ,5.4ft tall, light in complexion single,(never married ) and presently i am residing here in Dakar as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country some years ago.

My late father Dr Philip Desmond; was a politician and the managing director of a Gold & Mine Ind in Kigali (the capital of Rwanda) before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed my mother and my father in cold blood.It was only me that is alive now and I managed to make my way to a near by country Senegal where i am leaving now as a refugee under a Reverend-Pastor's care and i am using his computer to send these message to you.I would like to know more about you. Your likes and dislikes,PLAESE Do to not be offended for this message that come;s from me please, fair which to me obliged to put simple trust on you due to my situation here as the refugee and I shall demand most your conscientiousness after yours to know about me, I shall really grow fond we to have good inspite attitudes therefore I have this as a trust which i belive that you can not betray it at the end. I have communicated you because of my difficaute situation here in this refugees camp;Its just like one staying in the prison and i hope by Gods grace i will come out here soon.

i don't have any relatives now whom i can go to all my relatives ran away in the middle of the war the only person i have now is Rev- partric Devine,who is the pastor of the (CHRIST DE SAVIORMISSION) here in the camp he has been very nice to me since i came here but i am not living with him rather i am leaving in the women's hostel because the camp have two hostels one for men the other for women.

The Pastors Tel number is (+221 76 7414 046) if you call and tell him that you want to speak with me he will send for me in the hostel.As a refugee here i don't have any right or privilledge to any thing be it money or whatever because it is against the law of this country.My love I want to go back to my studies because i only attended my first year before the traggic incident that lead to my being in this situation now took place.

Please listen to this(please it's a secret,even no one knows about it ecept the Reverend that knows about it),i have my late father's statement of account and death certificate here with me which i will send to you latter,because when he was alive he deposited some amount of money in a leading Foreign bank which he used my name as the next of kin,the amount in question is $6.7(Six Million Seven Hundred Thousand USDollars).So i will like you to help me transfer this money to your account and from it you can send some money for me to get my travelling documents and air ticket to come over to meet with you.I kept this secret to people in the camp here the only person that knows about it is the Reverend because he is like a father to me.So in the light of above i will like you to keep it to yourself and don't tell it to anyone for i am afraid of loosing my life and the money if people gets to know about it.

Remember i am giving you all this information due to the trust i deposed on you.I like honest and understanding people,truthful and a man of vision,hardworking and GOD fearing people.My favourite language is english but our language is french but i speak english very fluently.Meanwhile i will like you to call me like i said i have alot to tell you Attached here is my pictures..I will send you more in my next mail and i will also like you to send me your own picture so that i will see How you look like.Have a nice day and think about me.Awaiting to hear from you soonest.
Yours in love,
Miss Pracious,
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2009-04-25, 15:39:55
anonymous from Serbia  
Here is the other one. Beautyfull?



DAEREST ONE
firstly I thank you for your reaction to mine email; Enline with the message, which I have sent to you.How was your night over there in your country,i believe you had a nice night and that the arthmosphere over there in your country is very nice today? Mine is a little bit warm over here in Dakar Senegal.My name is Pracious Desmond i am (24) but age doesn't matter in a real relationship, so i am confortable with your age,I am from Rwanda in East Africa ,5.4ft tall, light in complexion single,(never married ) and presently i am residing here in Dakar as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country some years ago.

My late father Dr Philip Desmond; was a politician and the managing director of a Gold & Mine Ind in Kigali (the capital of Rwanda) before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed my mother and my father in cold blood.It was only me that is alive now and I managed to make my way to a near by country Senegal where i am leaving now as a refugee under a Reverend-Pastor's care and i am using his computer to send these message to you.I would like to know more about you. Your likes and dislikes,PLAESE Do to not be offended for this message that come;s from me please, fair which to me obliged to put simple trust on you due to my situation here as the refugee and I shall demand most your conscientiousness after yours to know about me, I shall really grow fond we to have good inspite attitudes therefore I have this as a trust which i belive that you can not betray it at the end. I have communicated you because of my difficaute situation here in this refugees camp;Its just like one staying in the prison and i hope by Gods grace i will come out here soon.

i don't have any relatives now whom i can go to all my relatives ran away in the middle of the war the only person i have now is Rev- partric Devine,who is the pastor of the (CHRIST DE SAVIORMISSION) here in the camp he has been very nice to me since i came here but i am not living with him rather i am leaving in the women's hostel because the camp have two hostels one for men the other for women.

The Pastors Tel number is (+221 76 7414 046) if you call and tell him that you want to speak with me he will send for me in the hostel.As a refugee here i don't have any right or privilledge to any thing be it money or whatever because it is against the law of this country.My love I want to go back to my studies because i only attended my first year before the traggic incident that lead to my being in this situation now took place.

Please listen to this(please it's a secret,even no one knows about it ecept the Reverend that knows about it),i have my late father's statement of account and death certificate here with me which i will send to you latter,because when he was alive he deposited some amount of money in a leading Foreign bank which he used my name as the next of kin,the amount in question is $6.7(Six Million Seven Hundred Thousand USDollars).So i will like you to help me transfer this money to your account and from it you can send some money for me to get my travelling documents and air ticket to come over to meet with you.I kept this secret to people in the camp here the only person that knows about it is the Reverend because he is like a father to me.So in the light of above i will like you to keep it to yourself and don't tell it to anyone for i am afraid of loosing my life and the money if people gets to know about it.

Remember i am giving you all this information due to the trust i deposed on you.I like honest and understanding people,truthful and a man of vision,hardworking and GOD fearing people.My favourite language is english but our language is french but i speak english very fluently.Meanwhile i will like you to call me like i said i have alot to tell you Attached here is my pictures..I will send you more in my next mail and i will also like you to send me your own picture so that i will see How you look like.Have a nice day and think about me.Awaiting to hear from you soonest.
Yours in love,
Miss Pracious,
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2009-04-25, 18:10:56
anonymous  
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THIS PERSON. I BELIEVE SHE IS A SCAMMER. HE/SHE SAYS ALL THE RIGHT THINGS. VERY SMART VERY POEITIC. BUT I DON'T TRUST HER AND DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING SHE IS SAYING.


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2009-04-25, 20:44:47   (updated: 2009-04-25, 20:50:18)
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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Hello Anonymous 2009 - 04 -25 18:10:56

I'm not sure if you really need any help ?
You acknowledge You do not know if it is a He / She in what you said ?
To use that term shows you have some understanding about scams already ?
But just to answer your question the photo you posted you should have done
a picture search and saved me this time of responding to you.
That is Raven Riley / Porn Star there are hundreds of photo's of her on this site alone.
You make no mention as to where She / He is from ?
But cutting this to the point. No matter whoever sent, You that photo it is a scammer.
Unless by some miracle Raven contacted You herself. LOL
But she is in The US and is not Overseas contacting You.
So get the fantasy out of your head. Its a scammer. You should have been able
to figure that out without anybodies help. Please take the time to learn about scams
and scammers now. You need to be able to tell if its a scammer without any help.
Never tell the scammer anything not one word about how or where you learned
the truth. Specifically never mention a dating scam site such as this one.
Never post your e mail address here either. Your scammer will most likely try to
get you again. They are mostly men pretending to be woman.
They use stolen photo's, So be ready for a new set of photo's.
A new fake name and a new e mail address and a whole new made up Fairy Tale.
Its a scam if you receive anything from West Africa at all. No exceptions.
That includes Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, Gold Coast. Plus just to be safe the rest
of Africa as well. Until those Country's stop what is going on every day.
Thousands of scams every day.
Good Luck and please come back and learn for yourself what is really going on. OK
Also please make a complete posting next time. E mail address, Country, Address,
Phone number, Photo's except nude ones. The works, You cannot give to much information.
Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
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2009-04-26, 07:55:29
anonymous from Australia  
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her name is all so amanda smith


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2009-04-26, 10:51:52
OJAS from United States  
2009-04-29, 14:04:15
anonymous from South Africa  
Hi Guys

Thank you very much for the site...It is a life saver..

Anna who used the morehochudeneg e mail address has been trying to scam me..The letters are word for word identical to those posted here to other members...

Thanks for the warning..
Regards
T
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Dating scammer Olga Sutyagina from Kotelnich, Russia



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2009-04-30, 12:18:21
anonymous from United States  
Rose Mithual tried to scam me multiple time, and after paying for a olane ticket, visa, etc, she never came. She contiues to try to scam me for more and more money. She also has a website: www.Alexmodel.com. Piece of garbage and a pesistent liar.


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