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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2008-04-14, 09:39:04
anonymous from France  
NOW NATALYA ASK FOR MONEY, F...ING BITCH :
URL 208.72.169.176 (THE BAT)
Michel dear hello,

it is me again and I want you to know that you can't imagine how happy

I am.

I have a schedule of my flight.you can't imagine how much crazy

St.-Petersburg is. It is great fear to live here I think so!Our small town is

more friendly . well,about our business,

I tasted my blood,such rule for foreign visitors wanting to visit your

country!Thanks God I am in good health,

all of my tests are all right,I only need some vitamins I think it

is the bad foods and long winters problem.I have to eat much more

fruits and vegetables.The doctor said!

well,here is all info ,I do hope we will together in a few days!

Info fragency!

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InfInformation for Svizeva Natalya

'Ray tur', Kolomnev Andrey. 3767790 St.-Petersburg,

Kirova street 9,office 22.







St Petersburg to Paris



Flight 1 Friday, April 18, 2008

Departure: 16:25 St Petersburg, Russia - Pulkovo, terminal 2

Arrival: 17:50 Paris, France - Charles De Gaulle, terminal 2E





Airline: Air France AF2699 e Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A319









Please use our service .

Best regards.Kolomnev Andrey.




Price: USD 1. 00+




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H
Honey I am so glad to see that I am almost near my goal,and our meeting

wait for us.

I think I will call you from airport and I will wait for you there so

long as you need,I mean if you need any time to arrive in airport.

it is not problem to wait there because I know that it is the end of

my trip and I have time to improve my condition(some parfume)after

long jorney.I want you to see me in good shape!

I think everything will be all right.Rather I am sure everything will

be all right!.

My Dear, they have told in travel office that I have to show tickets

when I will visit embassy after tomorrow before my flight.

People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay

illegally in your country and I have tickets with returning data.it is

very strong rule. I have some money but my flight

from Kemerovo to St.-Petersburg costed so much(about 600$)

because so many kilometrs from there to St.-Petersburg.

I didn't guess that tickets costs so much.

and I have to book tickets till in less than 2 days ,because of my interview. May

be you could borrow some money?I am sure I will be able to return it

back in a few weeks after my arriving I will earn some money and at

first to return all money to you.

in Agency they have told me that you may send it by Western Union.

It is pretty easy to use. The guy from the agency explained to me how their

system works. It is instant worldwide money transfer system. All you need is my

name and my surname to send me the money. Once you do this , I'll be able

to pickup the money in any local Western Unuion office in St.-Petersburg.

We need to do it pretty fast,

because we have no time till my intervew,if everything will be all

right I will be on this flight!

I have about 300 US dollars yet and I think I need about 880 US

dollars from your side with all travel needs and living

here till my flight!If everything will be all right between us I can

stay with

you longer than three months,maximum I can stay about 6 months for

first time! We should change only the date of my returning flight.

Or I can return earlier if something is wrong!




Here is more info about Western Union. You find any local Western Union agent,

go there and send money to my name. Western Union will ask you for my full name

and address in St.-Petersburg where I am staying at. Once you give them all the info

they will initiate the transfer. In just less than 10 minutes I will be able

to pick the money up at any Western Union agent here in St.-Petersburg.




you will send me transfer info and MTCN( money transfer control number )

I will get cash. So I will need your full name and your address + the control

number of the transfer.

Kiss you many times ,I am tired today,you know it is hard enough to be

in foreign city. So many different emotions .

Kiss you many times! Natalya! see you soon!




Ah, silly me. Nearly forgot to give you my full name info and my address.

My address here (the flat i am renting)

is Russia,St.-Petersburg , Gogolya sreet,build 7 flat 18.

(right writting in English) Svizeva Natalya !

I am sorry to send so dry letter but it seems to me I am like any

drunker

I have lost my mind and my head works so badly,see you tomorrow. I am

sorry to make so

many problems for you I only hope that you will be not disappoined to

meet me.

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2008-04-14, 10:35:33
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
2008-04-14, 12:53:58
OJAS from United States  
2008-04-15, 03:08:48
anonymous from Auckland, New Zealand  
I recently posted a suspected scammer inquiry on a girl called Elena using addresses heart.withheat@gmail.com and smil777sun@gmail.com. I used your link and tried the IP 209.85.128.188, and yielded the data below. Elena said she was from St. Petersburg Russia.
Hope this info is useful.
regards,
Nick




OrgName: Google Inc.
OrgID: GOGL
Address: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US

NetRange: 209.85.128.0 - 209.85.255.255
CIDR: 209.85.128.0/17
NetName: GOOGLE
NetHandle: NET-209-85-128-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.GOOGLE.COM
NameServer: NS2.GOOGLE.COM
NameServer: NS3.GOOGLE.COM
NameServer: NS4.GOOGLE.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-01-13
Updated: 2006-06-01

OrgTechHandle: ZG39-ARIN
OrgTechName: Google Inc.
OrgTechPhone: +1-650-318-0200
OrgTechEmail: arin-contact@google.com
2008-04-15, 12:20:40   (updated: 2008-04-15, 12:21:30)
OJAS from United States  
Black Cap from Auckland,
''She'' is supposed to use Russian google mail, which will show Russian domain ru, in the e-mail address. If she is using American domain, she might have traveled, in which case, she must write ordinary English. In other words, scamlish, and Non-Russian mail domain do not mix! The same with yahoo too. If they want e-mail, chat, etc, and want to butcher, they MUST also have the Russian domain as part of e-mail. A real (intentioned) girl, might be poor in English, use Russian domain, this is understandable. But she WILL answer every specific question you raise.
Good luck to Black Caps!
2008-04-16, 21:58:48
BravehartQ@aol.com from United States  
I would like to report a very bad scammer from Kherson, Ukraine. Her name is Hanna (Anna) Davydova. Addresss: Budyonogo St. 16, apt. 18. Phone number 38-0552-372042. Email address gumnastuk@mail.ru. Her birthday is December 7, 1983.

I met this girl through Khersongirls in Kherson Ukraine. The agency is honest but this woman is not. We met a few times and I stupidly proposed to her. Over the course of the K-1 visa process which took 9 months, I sent her thousands of dollars at her request. She arrived in America and within 2 weeks had hooked up with a guy she met at the gym. She was spending time with him while I was at work and was even planning a romantic getaway to Boston before I found out. I put her on the first plane back to Ukraine.



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2008-04-17, 12:04:53
anonymous  
I met a man on Match.com who said he was from Elk Rapids MI but was working in Nigeria for the last three years on a construction project for the government. The emails went back and forth for a month and were very sweet, he told me it sounded like we would be a good match and that he wanted to be with me when he finished his contract there. He emailed me today and said that his contract was finished and that he met with the Nigerian government to discuss his payout. He said he would receive 4 Million for the project payout but that he had to pay taxes to them in the amount of $70,000 and that he was $4,500 short and would I please try to help him pay that so he could come here and we 'could start our life together'. His name on Match.com was Victor Smith and his personal email is smith.victor93@yahoo.com I am sending a couple of pictures. If anyone has experience with him or this kind of situation please let me know.
I will add a picture later. I have to get the pictures off of my email and save to my photos then I will post them.
2008-04-17, 12:41:52
anonymous from United States  
These are pictures of someone who I recently met through Match.com who I posted a comment about earlier. He said his name was Victor Smith and that he was in Nigeria, but originally from Elk Rapids, MI. I gave his personal email earlier but wanted to post these pictures that he sent to me. Has anyone had this same picture sent to them? I know I'm being scammed.
Thanks.


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2008-04-17, 12:44:10
anonymous  
I met a man on Match.com who said he was from Elk Rapids MI but was working in Nigeria for the last three years on a construction project for the government. The emails went back and forth for a month and were very sweet, he told me it sounded like we would be a good match and that he wanted to be with me when he finished his contract there. He emailed me today and said that his contract was finished and that he met with the Nigerian government to discuss his payout. He said he would receive 4 Million for the project payout but that he had to pay taxes to them in the amount of $70,000 and that he was $4,500 short and would I please try to help him pay that so he could come here and we 'could start our life together'. His name on Match.com was Victor Smith and his personal email is smith.victor93@yahoo.com I am sending a couple of pictures. If anyone has experience with him or this kind of situation please let me know.
I will add a picture later. I have to get the pictures off of my email and save to my photos then I will post them.


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2008-04-17, 13:39:26
ADEL_FAYEZ7@YAHOO.COM  
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HELLO DATING SCAMS//////I AM ADEL FROM EGYPT adel_fayez7@yahoo.com
2008-04-17, 17:33:29
anonymous from Keller, United States  
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Hello ladies, beware of this guy...he is smooth!! Swept me off my feet before I knew it, fell in lust with the picture and the poetry b/s...however. I was on to him from day one. Met on MySpace, things just didn't add up. He claimed he was German but living in Richmond City, California. When I asked him what time it was in California, he gave me the wrong time (DING). So I figured I was being scammed. I decided to play along and have a little fun. Two weeks after we started communicating he asked me to marry him. He then said he had business in Lagos Africa and would return in 3 weeks (DOUBLE DING). I finally got tired of the game and started asking all sorts of questions and he could never keep up. I asked for proof in the form of a CA driver's license, of course he got offened...claimed I BROKE his heart, boo-hoo...watch out.


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2008-04-19, 15:21:04
anonymous from United States  

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2008-04-19, 21:52:28
anonymous from United States  
Dudes, I've just googled the name of one Kseniya Kiselewa and found on this site the exact e-mail I received 5 days ago. Here's a pic so you can watch out for this one.


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2008-04-22, 05:13:13
OJAS from United States  
Anon US 2008-04-19, 21:52:28 She needs to practise yoga http://www.delphifa..p=23#83888
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