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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-05-21, 14:17:48
OJAS from United States  
Red Flags screen names and more http://nextwink.com..ammers.php
2009-05-21, 15:04:48   (updated: 2009-05-21, 15:12:26)
OJAS from United States  
2009-05-21, 15:18:22
OJAS from United States  
2009-05-21, 16:18:46
wanwan from Japan  
@OJAS

Thank you and
Great !!
2009-05-21, 16:41:29   (updated: 2009-05-21, 16:49:55)
powechoice@live.com from Cyprus  
Dear All

was aproched by a scamer name Natalie Jackson
Right from the first mail i new it , c
ould not find similler name / details / phone 0044-7024 075 689 i did call this No. a man answerd saying this is (Hotel County) in essex Uk ( after getting the hotel name ..
ofcourse i looked up on the net and found the real telphone of hotel County whom they do not have the name givin ( Natalie Jackson) in any room .

any way i was dragging this scamer by replying his mails and i know the next few mails will ask me for Money ,

look below at the last mail recived and the story can still go on
any possibilty to catch this scamer, any idea to knock them a punishment if not , then be aware .


{Dear Geer,
How are you doing today?Hope you had a wonderful night rest.I am very glad at your response and particularly at your interest to be my guide during my first visit to Austria which is in less than 3 weeks from now immediately after my current job here,i do hope it will be a memorable and wonderful stay with you in your lovely country as my honourable guide.Meanwhile,when will you return to Austria??and would you actually be available to guide us during our vacation in your beautiful country??Where exactly in the UK are you now,we could probably meet up for a drink or so if possible cos i would be leaving here for the final phase of my work in Nigeria before coming to Austria but will keep you informed here ok.
It is really against the rule to use the internet during my work but i will always try to read from you and also write you back asap in other to know eachother better ahead of my final arrival for my vacation in Austria,so we could make proper plans and arrangement ahead.
My name is Natalie Jackson,26years from Greenehaven,AZ,US.I am 5'10(177cm),125lbs(57kg) with a thin and curvy physique(Bust:34 in (86 cm),Waist:26 in (66cm),Hips:36 in (91 cm).I am a model divorced with a son.I do advert modeling,fashion modeling,bikini modeling,runway modeling,print modeling,hair & leg modeling amongs others and this has really taken me all over the world except few places like i rightly said in my first mail to you,but never been to Austria despite the beautiful stories i have heard of Vienna,Salzburg and other cities and i hope this visit will be a success and of great memory..Where in Austria do you live??
I am presently on modeling tour of some European and African countries,though i do most of my modeling in the US and Europe,but this makes it my first to Africa and the experience has been interesting and pleasant,with good weather there,but right now i just arrived the UK from Accra(Ghana) after previously working in Amsterdam(Holland) and Dakar(Senegal) and would be having my final work in Lagos(Nigeria) before coming straight down for my vacation in Austria.
I love clubbing,dancing,swiming,shopping,sightseeing and traveling as my major interest.I am the only child of my parent and my parents have since separated right from when i was very young and while the whereabout of my dad is not known to anyone my mom returned to Canada where she belongs to re-marry and start another life with her new hubby while i have remain alone ,though its been a painful experience but i have since then moved on with my life and its been a success with my strive to make it big in life.
I am single at the moment,cos i divorced my boyfriend about a year ago and i am currently seeking for an honest and caring man,someone that would appreciate my been there for him,someone that would cherish my beauty,someone that will never raise his hands on me but i dont think that is the issue right about now but i do hope to meet the right person very soon though i wont be in a rush.
I will actually be visiting Austria for the first time in less than 3 weeks from now after the completion of my tour and that is the more reason i needed a guide and not just any person but a friendly,responsible,jovial,humble,caring,honest and sincere person which i believe you are judging from your profile.
Hope this explain little about me.So,what do you do for a living??are you married??and whom do you live with??
Hope to hear from you ASAP..Have a peaceful weekend.



HUGS

NATALIE. }




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2009-05-22, 05:02:02
anonymousbterry60@yahoo.com from Mansfield, United States  
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Yes i all to well this person or at least the pics. Have been talking to her for many months guess always had a feeling she was a scammer but didn't want to believe it..The name i know her as is Awudu Kassimu of Accra Ghana. She has no problem in handing out naked pics. as i got a few. Does anyone know for sure if she has been in the United States. She sent pics one time at the beginning of our romance i accused her of being in on the western coast. Have seen dozens and dozens of encounters from this person. My eyes was opened up to this just last night, accidently found this site and about crapped when i seen her pics.
Terry 05-22-09


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2009-05-22, 06:11:46   (updated: 2009-05-22, 06:15:45)
[hidden] from Salem, United States  
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Terry from the USA

I am sorry, You were scammed and know the hurt, Your feeling.
I must give, You more bad news to begin with here sorry.
First thing, You must know.
Never post, Your e mail address on this site.
Scammers watch this site.
Never tell a scammer about this site.
You can request to have, Your e mail address removed by contacting
the site administrator. His E mail address is on the left near the top
of the page. Just above where it says. Tell a friend.
Be sure to tell, Him the name of this thread [ Primer for first time visitors dating scams ]
The date 2009 - 05 - 22 The time 05:02:02 Page #64

Now about, Your scammer.
First up The pictures, You got are stolen from a Porn Star, Raven Riley
Look at just about any thread on here and, You will find hundreds of, Her
pictures. She is used by Russian and African, Scammers both.
There is even a fake Raven Riley look alike. By the picture, You posted,
You got the real pictures. Raven Riley lives in The USA
She has her own web site just Google her name.
Scammers use stolen photo's and now for the real bad news.
I hope, Your sitting down. Nearly 100% of scammers are men.
Yes that little honey, You have been hooked up with most likely was a guy.
If, Your not sick by now give it a minute to sink in.
If, You sent photo's to your He / She they can be used to scam
someone else. Plus scammers from Accra Ghana don't give up.
You can be contacted by the very same scammer using different stolen photo's,
another fake name, another of many e mail addresses.
What, I am telling, You is ending the scam is only the beginning of the nightmare.
You need to learn all, You can about scams and scammers right now.
You are perfect bait for a scammer right now. Because, You haven't
learned everything there is to know to stay safe from them.
Do not ever for any reason believe anyone that contacts, You from
West Africa at all. No one on line from Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Gold Coast, Ivory Coast
No one no matter what the story. White or Black, Man or Woman can be trusted not to
be a scammer. There are no exceptions to that and do not ever listen to anyone
who tries to tell, You different. If anyone tries to tell, You there are woman who are OK
are in fact in on the scam working with the scammers.
I know this is a lot to take in right now. But, You need to know the truth.

Please Keep learning and ask questions here, You will get answers.
If, You ask for me, I will respond.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//


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Dating scammer Dylan Wyatt
Dating scammer Rose Kimberly in Africa
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Dating scammer Tony (Antonio) Willson
Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana
Another dating / chat scam - USA/ Nigeria connection
Dating scammer Thomas Mends from Accra, Ghana
Dating scam artist Sindy Becky Green in Ashley, Ohio (Lagos, Nigeria)
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Dating scam artist Sindy Becky Green in Ashley, Ohio (Lagos, Nigeria)
Dating scammer John Stephen
Dating scammer Tatyana
Dating scammer Michael Burr



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2009-05-22, 08:44:27   (updated: 2009-05-22, 08:46:15)
OJAS from United States  
Terry, I'm sorry too you were scammed. http://www.delphifa..=31#137245
2009-05-22, 16:21:54
OJAS from United States  
Continuing list of anti-scam sites for reporting http://russianwomen../post.html
2009-05-23, 03:01:58
anonymous from Australia  
Hi can any one tell me if this person is a scammmer or not states she works for Blue Cross orphanage in Nigeria how ever can't find blue cross in nigeria when i do a search hasn't asked for money yet but has hinted so thought i would do some more checking so if some one can help would be great i think i know the answer but just want to check

Cheers this is a great site

Have copied some of the e-mails and photo's received so far

Goes by the name Rose Alexandrea or Alexon

e-mail adress used is rosealexon@yahoo.com

Hello ,
I am simple and love the water a lot and I also love Communication.
Art, music,outdoor activities,skiing, boating, sailing, camping,travel, secluded white sand beaches,mountains,hiking,theater,movies,photography,cooking,together,and i am here to find Someone who understands all of the above, is refined, sweet,elegant, and looks conservatively sexy......
I want someone who can go camping or to the symphony with equal
enthusiasm. Lots of smiles, and never too many hugs ;) Kind, and loving.
Educated, but mostly smart to me Age is nutting to me but a number and i hope you do understand me more better on here..
i am looking for a man that is understanding and loving and very caring...
Rose
I am Rose Alexander......I was born in Saint Maarten a small Island country in the Caribbean, , Im 27 years old...I have my Bachelors Degree in International Study and Relation....I lost my parent in an Auto Crash.....The sad memory of my parent keeps weighing me down but im getting over the grief......Right now i do work as a Teacher.......I Teach the poor people and make them know the value of education around the world......i am presently in Africa now in Nigeria....i left my job as a trader long time ago...
My hubbies,I like reading ,i like fishing i mean anything to do with nature and wildlife love the water a lot and I also love Communication. Art, music,outdoor activities,skiing, boating, sailing, camping,travel, secluded white sand beaches,mountains,hiking,theater,movies,photography and cooking..........
As for me,i value nothing more than Honesty and devotion which i believe is the foundation of every solid relationship and encourages trust and respect.I despise liars because its against the rules of God.
Hope i am making sense gradually?lol i know i might sound boring but i have to let you know what i am,my likes and donts.I am simple and at the same time complex.I prefer life and nature,simple pleasures,like to walk on the beach,moonlite,Nights,Sunrises and sunsets,Holding hands and hugs and also spending time together with the love of my life..
I am a giver and not a taker but some people tend to swap my kindness for weakness....i know i am not perfect tho but through this life,i have made a commitment to myself to grow,learn from situations,and also the mistakes i have made.............
Now i think i have told you more about my background and also myself in general..........
I am on here to search for a life partner,soul mate.someone i can trust,Someone who really believe in love,someone i can spend the rest of my life with,someone who can work with me as a partner,adviser,confidant,lover,brother,father,friend and personal assistant to build a strong,harmonious,mutual bond forever.I just decided to look and hopefully where Honor,pride and dignity still exists,and i believe i will get a man that can be of all these to me.....
I am who i told you i am and have been trying to let you know the best of me...........Really cant wait to experience been called a wife and also a Mother....NOW YOUR TURN.....LOL.had to take my time to tell you more about myself so that you can know where my shoe hurts ..lol.
..Really cant just imagine spending my life with a precious Man
looking forward to read back from you soon
regards,
Rose



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2009-05-23, 03:03:21
anonymous from Australia  
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another photo of Rose
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Dating scammer Marina Chouvashova



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2009-05-23, 03:04:19
anonymous from Australia  
and another have more will see how these go
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Dating scammer Marina Chouvashova



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2009-05-23, 05:21:01   (updated: 2009-05-23, 05:22:10)
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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Anonymous from Australia

Your right about checking on this one from Nigeria.
I do not know what thread to refer, You to but there has been a few
of these recently that are from Nigeria just about word for word identical.
Same Blue Cross the whole thing.
So yes its a scammer getting ready to pop the big question. LOL
The only differences, I have noticed is the use of different photo's.
The scammers must be using more variety now to throw us off. LOL
Well, You shouldn't have to wait long to get asked for money.
Play with this one or just broom her like the dad said in Spiderman.
Be careful out there, I'm sure where, You find one snake there are bound
to be more.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//

Looks like a little bite the snake might be called for LOL

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Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia



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2009-05-23, 08:39:55
OJAS from United States  
@Newbies,
When you see above any pic
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Marina Chouvashova
Follow the link(s) in blue.
Try a few posts before and after the target link.
It may have more links, more info, about the person in the pic.

More tips http://www.delphifa..54#141063
Install http://tineye.com as a plug-in for your browser, then you can right-click on any downloaded pic, or pic on a web page, but NOT on pix in your e-mail server.
2009-05-23, 11:08:11
OJAS from United States  
On interrogating scammers:

When a scammer asks money from you (= a stranger) ask for close-up pix, of 3 views of head and neck (the size almost should fill the frame). If they try to zoom a stolen pic, it will pixelate. If they are paying a girl to pose, she has some role, known or unknown to her, in the operation.
Front, (no glasses, no cap), left and right profiles with uncovered ears. http://www.delphifa..p=3#148501
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