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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-06-13, 06:34:33
anonymous from United States  
this girl alison is found on page 101 as another person i wish i had this site before i gave her 800 dollars said she was a nurse the only way i found out she was a scammer she tried to set my best friend with her best friend whos pic was RAVEN RILEY how dumb the most used pic for scammers tell me all this stuff about both of them being nurse working together and how if i love her i would give her camera mp player and and webcam then told me when we found out her friend was a scammer that she was not a friend they only knen each other from the email she never seen her inperson but told me months early they worked in the same hospital fellas like the person early said she will claim shes a christian and will never hurt u look out fellas i dont fault her i fault myself i know better because of my job i tell other people about these scams not to send money to foreign countries especially africa fellas listen to ur instincts and they do reset videos on the webcam and u think u see them and ur not that why no sound when they talking to u


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2009-06-15, 21:05:05   (updated: 2009-06-15, 21:25:19)
anonymous from Mexico  
This Irina, I have no idea if she is a scammer but her email to me was from one Tad Krueger. I asked her about that and only that. She did not even mention it. She says she is from Yaroslavl, but her IP indicates London.
Beware!!

Hello, my new friend.
I am very happy that you answered me in a letter. This means that you are interested to know me as well. I am very glad to this event.
I do not have a personal computer, so all my letters, I will write you from Internet cafe.
I would like to know you more. But before this, I would like to tell you a little about me.
I am a girl who searches for his true love. I decided to turn to the Internet to find their own happiness, a man who will love and respect me.
This is my first contact with a man on the Internet. I never asked to acquaintances in the past.
Therefore, I do not know where to begin a story about me, but I will try.
First, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Irina. For friends - just Irochka. My growth - 1.70 cm, and my weight - 55 kg. I have no brothers and sisters. I am lonely.
I was born July 8, 1978. Now I am 30 years old. When you were born?


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2009-06-17, 08:00:13
[hidden]  
do you anything on a vera_glu@yahoo.com . I'm pretty sure she is a scammer . i've come across quite afew in last couple of years and she fits the mold . just wanted to give you guys a heads up just in case . I also recognized one of my old scamerrs by the way , she goes by Oksana . Just so you know , i don't ever give any of these gals anything , most the time i just play along and waste their time , lol .
2009-06-19, 14:44:56
anonymous from Ireland  
KENNY FROM IRELAND,,,
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF
ANYONE OUT THERE KNOWS THIS GIRL ?
IRINA FROM UKRAINE


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2009-06-19, 14:46:16
KENNY--IRELAND from Ireland  
DOES ANYONE KNOW THIS WOMAN,,,
IRINA FROM UKRAINE


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2009-06-20, 10:10:13
DOC from United States  
Hello Kenny,
I was looking for your IRINA FROM UKRAINE with the info you posted.
Could you post more info on her?
surname
email address
address
2009-06-22, 06:27:08
anonymous from Germany  
Hello my new friend Gunter!

I`m very glad and surprised that you answer me! I hope that our

correspondence will be nice for each of us! It`s first time for me

when I decided to meet with the man through the Internet. May be you

will have a question why I do so. I was disappointed in Russian men. I

think most of them very false and deceptive. But I belive that

everyone of us make its happiness yourself. I belive that one day I

meet my love and I`ll love him forever. Now I want to tell you

about myself. My name is Elena. It`s very popular Russian name.

I was born at 20th of March 1980. I was born in town Samara, Russia

and I live here all my life! It`s very nice provincial town.

It`s big but very beautiful. I have never been abroad.

And I even never been in other town of Russia. I want to travel

and learn interesting things and parts of country and all world.

And do you like travelling? Hope you understand my English. It`s

not my native language. I learnt it in the school and University

and now I learn it myself at home! At University I studied Economy

and I have the diploma of Economist. I studied in Samara State

Technical University. But in our town it`s very difficult to find a

good job and I sell shoes in shoes shop. I like my work and I do it with

pleasure. Where do you work? Do you like your work? I work five days

in week. On Saturday and Sunday I do work at home, go for a walk,

cook, read books and have a rest. Do you have hobby? Do you like reading

books? I like Russian Classics such as Michael Bulgakov, Lev Tolstoy,

Aleksandr Pushkin. Have you heard about it? Now I read very

interesting book 'Anna Karenina' written by Lev Tolstoy. I think that

books teaches us how to live right and we can see very good advices

there. Oh, I forgot about time, I don`t have computer at my home and I

write you from Internet Cafe. Tomorrow I`ll come to check my e-mail

again. I hope to see letter from you soon!!!




Probably. There can be our acquaintance will, something big than acquaintance is simple.




Bye!!!

Your friend from Russia Yuliya.






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2009-06-22, 09:18:28
anonymous from Accra, Ghana  
quoted i want you as a friend
2009-06-22, 09:32:15
OJAS from United States  
Danke, Gunter. Bitte schreibe auch für die deutschsprachlichen Besucher http://www.delphifa..=101#85610
2009-06-22, 18:43:38
anonymous from United States  
Hello

Lonely people that can be taken advantage of because we all need a friend sometime.

I am 44 and put an ad on Craig's list for casual dating. Before I knew it, I had a 25 year old Russian girl that I was falling in love with or so I thought!

Fortunately for me, I don't trust anybody. All you have to do is reverse email trace or IP Address.

I just googled IP Address location and up came a site. You just type in the IP address from the email header and it will show you where it came from.

My Russian love that was suppose to be in Idrinskoye Russia was in fact in Norway! A complete bunch of BS.

Hope that helps, If it seems to good to be true, it is!


2009-06-22, 22:31:20
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-06-22, 18:43:38
anonymous from United States

Thank you very much.
Good job,USA.
It will be very helpful to others.


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2009-06-22, 23:28:00   (updated: 2009-06-22, 23:36:05)
DOC from United States  
2009-06-22, 23:28:32   (updated: 2009-06-22, 23:42:29)
DOC from United States  
Use this, it can save you alot of money.


This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Anna Ogannisyan



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2009-06-23, 16:32:34
anonymous from Germany  
Hello my new friend Rolf!
I`m very glad and surprised that you answer me! I hope that our
correspondence will be nice for each of us! It`s first time for me
when I decided to meet with the man through the Internet. May be you
will have a question why I do so. I was disappointed in Russian men. I
think most of them very false and deceptive. But I belive that
everyone of us make its happiness yourself. I belive that one day I
meet my love and I`ll love him forever. Now I want to tell you
about myself. My name is Yuliya. It`s very popular Russian name.
I was born at 20th of March 1980. I was born in town Samara, Russia
and I live here all my life! It`s very nice provincial town.
It`s big but very beautiful. I have never been abroad.
And I even never been in other town of Russia. I want to travel
and learn interesting things and parts of country and all world.
And do you like travelling? Hope you understand my English. It`s
not my native language. I learnt it in the school and University
and now I learn it myself at home! At University I studied Economy
and I have the diploma of Economist. I studied in Samara State
Technical University. But in our town it`s very difficult to find a
good job and I sell shoes in shoes shop. I like my work and I do it with
pleasure. Where do you work? Do you like your work? I work five days
in week. On Saturday and Sunday I do work at home, go for a walk,
cook, read books and have a rest. Do you have hobby? Do you like reading
books? I like Russian Classics such as Michael Bulgakov, Lev Tolstoy,
Aleksandr Pushkin. Have you heard about it? Now I read very
interesting book 'Anna Karenina' written by Lev Tolstoy. I think that
books teaches us how to live right and we can see very good advices
there. Oh, I forgot about time, I don`t have computer at my home and I
write you from Internet Cafe. Tomorrow I`ll come to check my e-mail
again. I hope to see letter from you soon!!!

P. S. Do you like my photo? Please send me your photos, I`ll be very glad
to get them!

Bye!!!
Your friend from Russia Yuliya.



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2009-06-23, 16:42:09
OJAS from United States  
Danke, Rolf. Bitte schreibe auch für die deutschsprachlichen Besucher http://www.delphifa..=101#85610
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