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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-08-27, 22:02:15
anonymous from Brazil  



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2009-08-29, 01:17:39
anonymous from United States  
How do you know a legitimate russian service?
2009-08-29, 04:16:04
anonymous from United States  
Fati Ali was known to me as Waneida Jackson,aka waneidaluvsgod@yahoo.com.
2009-08-29, 17:31:59
anonymous from United States  
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Watch out Jessica Williams is up to her old tricks. I just got a mail exactly same story as this one posted. I am still talking to her. why not. See what she is up to. No money from me you can believe that.
Bobby
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2009-08-30, 04:10:54
anonymous  
Nikki Sims(Simms)/Next door nikki.From Accra appears with several names and pictures in each dating sites .From facebook,youtube,or in sexy arab tvs. Sad senario for scamming money.All of her friends are pornstars or scammers.


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2009-08-30, 08:37:44
OJAS from United States  
2009-08-31, 19:53:53
anonymous from United States  
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anybody looking for this girl on 8-30-09 she was still using yahoo im at samira_umar17 she says she 35 didnt know here birthday one was 1 jan. and then 3 july she keeps asking for money ask her if she has pets last time i know she had puppies and fishes .... unchel like in the villiage as she lives with mommy and unchel
in gold bussiness so take a check - ha ha thats a joke if you cash the check she will want to mail the money to her via western union ... as you feel the check cleared you will find out in 30 days or a little later the check is no good so you get holding that amout of the check .... do not send pics to them they are using other pictures when the y
have been found out as scammers .... she was from the usa but moved there to ghana with her mom as family is from over there .... she dont speak to good english or type to good english so it look like she may never been in the usa ..... when i seen some of her pics on here and e mailed them to her she said what are you talking about
but if she is realy rhavin ryan i would like to be with her....
2009-08-31, 20:03:51
anonymous from United States  
anyone looking for this one she uses the yahoo im of samira_umar17 and yahoo.come
she will keep asking for money as long as you dont know she is a scammer she want to be your wife and have baby for mommy .... she has been vary polite though her phone # 011 233 249 369879 from accra ghana
2009-08-31, 20:29:11
anonymous from United States  
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anyone looking for this one have not seen her on line in a while but she uses the yahoo im as tracy.honestydreams1 i know i seen her face around these web sites she said she had a kid and was looking for a husband never bothered me for money but i blocked her so she dont know i am on line ....


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2009-08-31, 20:31:42
anonymous from United States  
try this one for tracy.honestydreams1 at yahoo im


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2009-09-01, 04:43:40
thankinson@hotmail.com from India  
I am in correspondence witha girl named SARAH WALTER. She said she is a nurse, from baltimore, but working in a hospital in Malaysia.
Like barcelona football team. Never new a girl that knows the games so well.

Anyone know what's up or does it sound familiar.

Thanks
2009-09-02, 06:07:43
anonymous from Italy  
total scammer - marina!!!!
claims to be in dead end job - has fallen in love with me - i stupidly fell for the first email and sent a few pictures of myself which i am concerned about - she replies saying she is in love with me now, but cannot afford a computer and has given me prices - has asked for my address and phone number of which I instantly guessed was a scam and have not replied any more - should I be concerned I sent pictures and spoke about myself a bit in my first email?
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2009-09-04, 14:44:13
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Hi I Just received a mail from a Blessing Robert in A Refugee camp in Dakar Senegal.She says she is from Liberia and her father was the late Dr Fredrick Robert of the Eclink cocao and associates co and personel adviser bla bla bla.She enclosed a few pics wow a stunning looking woman.
I know this is a scam i have traced the ip address to idaho usa. be aware they are good.

Play along for a while then shut the door after they think they have you.
Stuff them---there are ways of tracing and reporting these people by checking email headers google . finding who sent email. or somrthing similer and there are links to report these scams.
The only thing you will get are free pics of a sexy black woman probably nicked off the net anyway.
j.
2009-09-04, 23:43:30
anonymous from Zimbabwe  
do you guys really fall for this. i'm new to being scammed. i got an email from judith Weah and yep i can tell its a scammer so i'll just play along till she drops
2009-09-05, 05:27:54
dale_char@webtv.net from United States  
Hi guys. The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love. To be loved without 'playing up' to anyone - even to himself.
I am from Micronesia and also now'm speaking English, give please true I wrote the following sentence: 'razor 100 scooter battery.'

Best regards ;-), Cadeo.
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