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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-09-21, 21:29:25
[hidden] from Tyler, United States  
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looking for a person says to send money to vicky locksworth works for a hospital patients name is jennifer catalina rodrigo was in a car accident
2009-09-22, 11:54:42
anonymous from Netherlands  
In 1 April , a woman having looked my profile and she was very intrerested me , at this website www.tagged.com/dating she looked at real and sincere with pictures of her , and send to me her email : Iloveeeeeeu@yahoo.com I emailed her through her email, she promply replaid to me , over the 3 month we talked daily , she sounded me very nice and friendly , and we became what I thought involved in a romantic way , she told me her name Marina Vasilyeva about 27 - 28 years old , and live in centeral town of Yoshkar-Ola - Russia , she a few years ago, graduated from college . Faculty Marketing and PR advertising. After college , she works as manager working on the computer in an advertising campaign ( company ) .
and told me she don't like russian men because she suffered from her ex-boy friend! and most russian men not respect for thier women... . and after about three month of correspondence, we thought and belive that meeting is very necessary for us , and see each other , and we decided to meet in Lebanon - Beirut and to stay with my family for 6 weeks ( 42 days ) because she got permission from her work 2 months for vacation , and after she went to travel agency and she told me to visit you will cost
$ 670 , but my salary is $ 200 all the money spent on utilities food , closing, assistance to parents, than I sent to her $ 670 by westernunion , and when she bought the ticket and booked on 30 september , and she phoned me in this number telphone : 0074956600200 and later she want more money for 42 days insurence each day Euro 29 x 42 days = total euro 1218 = about
$ 1900 ! . I said to her this is very big money !!!! I said to her I will phone the embassy Lebanese in Moscow to get information about the insurance travel in Lebanon , and than she didn't emaild me more last message it was 14 sep.2009!!
I thought it was all fraud and she is a scammer woman !
later I knew what is this number 0074956600200 after I checked in through google ,

Dear Sir, in my country in Lebanon I knew many women wives of my friends and whose I met them ,they are very respectfull and good people , and always I wish to marry from good lady from Russia as like them ,
but let me to say about those who give bad things and foto for thier country ! why ? only to steal money from poor and good poeple whose sending for good things! and they saled thier conscience and hearts and thier humantly.
But for me I a possative man, and I love Russia for ever ,,,

I have all of the westernunion wire transfer , date of transfer 28/08/2009 control number 2948787323 pay Marina Vasilyeva . and foto of the ticket flight ( Aeroflot )booked
Sincerely
Hassan Aboul Joud
2009-09-22, 13:04:02
anonymous from United States  

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS GIRL FROM GHANA?


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2009-09-22, 15:44:14
anonymous from Belgium  
BOYS AND MEN WHEN WHE START SOMETHING THE DO ABOUT IT ITS NOT NORMAL THE POLICE DO NOTHING
2009-09-22, 23:42:30
anonymous from United States  
This is another person goes by the name love_sandra110@yahoo.com, and Who Knows Tomorrow. I have been chatting with her for about 2 weeks now and she asks for money, she will send you photos of Raven Riley. I got her to give me her sign in for yahoo, and password, and good gosh did I get a lot of info, I even forwarded all the emails she had to me, there are many emails that show many names of so called ladies, lets just say I found that this is a group of sluts. I am posting several pics of this so called person.

2009-09-23, 13:59:56
elena@russian-detective.com from United States  
Hassan from Lebanon,

I would suggest that you report Marina to Russian police:
http://www.russian-..plaint.htm

I am very sorry to hear that you lost $670!
2009-09-23, 14:03:45
OJAS from United States  
2009-09-24, 09:52:49
OJAS from United States  
@Newbies, ...
First up, I am NOT promoting her book, this is NOT a commercial site. It just happens that with some external links posted for informative reasons, you will find products / services they want to sell!

Simply read, but return to delphi, and it will cost you NOTHING to learn!

http://squidoo.com/..na-Petrova
2009-09-24, 15:12:00
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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2009-09-22, 23:42:30
anonymous from United States

Hello I see Stolen Raven Riley photo as usual then again another
mislead comment about it.
Funny thing is, You never said what the scam is ?
Your talking about posting more pictures Why ?
This site is for reporting scammers that is accomplished by making
complete postings.
Just pictures with maybe a name is worthless here.
You never mentioned where Raven claims to be ?
That is key information so is the rest of the missing details.
Do not sit there and say those sluts for any reason.
Raven Riley is a Porn Star and makes enough money to make, You
look poor.
She has no need to lower herself down to being a scammer.
I have no idea what, Your actually trying to say as, You gave no real
information.
Just so, You understand some basic things about scams.
Nearly 100% of all scams are done by Men.
No matter if they appear to be from the US or anywhere else in the World
most if not all can be traced back to Russia, or West Africa.
Making statements like those sluts can only mean, You do not
approve of Porn Stars but they are the victims of having their photo's
and video's used by scammers. It is just plain crazy to accuse them of
doing a scam.

If, You choose to return here and make any postings.
Give complete details with each posting, You make.
If, You post just a picture and just a name expect that to be
removed from the site.
This site has thousands of pictures already there is no need to
post more of the same if, your not going to give full details.
Learn how to make a correct posting first before making more.
Also, You need very badly to learn about scams and scammers.
By, Your postings, You know little to nothing.
Do not waste space here it helps no one.

Absolutely no nude photo's are allowed here.
no pictures of minors either.
Never post, Your e mail address on this site.
Never tell any scammer about this site.

Stop all communication with the scammer now.
You haven't got a clue as to what, Your doing.
Your information is being Harvested and, You are only at the beginning
of, Your personal nightmare.
Scammers use stolen photo's, Video's, They steal Identity's, and use
fake names. They have many e mail addresses, they steal on line
accounts so the one, You brag about being on is most likely
one that was stolen from someone else.

Your in Danger and can't see the Forrest for the Tree's.
You have been Warned now and I hope, You wake up to Reality soon.
By the way if, Your on line with anyone from or in West Africa at all
its a scammer 100% NO EXCEPTIONS.

Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
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2009-09-25, 10:27:47
OJAS from United States  
2009-09-26, 05:48:58
anonymous from Nigeria  



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2009-09-27, 03:10:07
anonymous from Malaysia  
hai..first of all forgive me for my broken english.I am a lady from Malaysia and just come across this web site today. I would like to share my experiance with a Nigerian guy pretend to be a white London guy, just recently i found out he is a Nigerian scammers and staying at Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia.He is using this name, Denise Morgan, an engineer,email add, denise_morgan101@yahoo.com.He is 41yrs old, his wife passed away four yrs ago and got a daughter 15yrs old.Whenever he called me, his number appeared to be a private number and he did gave his UK no...+447031875114 and her daughter (Sharon ) no..+447031880502.

I never seen him in person but he did sent me his pictures(a handsome and white man - stolen pics),i just found out the pictures he sent to me is a rich man and own an antique store in London.

He is a very nice and romantic guy and after few months chatting with him, he decided to see me in Malaysia.We're in love and he is talking about marriage and settled down in Malaysia.He sent me his flight details and will call me once he arrived in Kuala Lumpur.

The day he supposed to arrived in Malaysia he called me that he did reached the airport but being detained by the immigration department due to money laundering. I asked him to contact his embassy here but he refused and would settle the case outside the court ( with reason, he is a contractor at UK and dont want to spoil his reputation ). He ask one of the immigartion staff ( a lady ) to contact me since he did not has anybody in Malaysia except me, and the lady ask me to bank in RM15K in order to help me settled the case outside from court.....there are long story after that.

If only i found out this web site earlier i would not be scam by this Nigerian guy, but i put my trust on GOD.


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Dating scammer Denise Morgan



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2009-09-28, 11:39:02
anonymous from United States  
Pervocvet agency

Yup Count me as another victim. I was also very leery when a gorgeous russian women decided that she wanted to corresponde with me.4 e-mail exchanges later came the money letter.

Somehow I have a picture of Ani Lorak (I was told it was Zoya also) laying in her bedroom dreaming of me. That was e-mail that preceded the money letter and it was titled MARVELLOUS DREAM in the subject line of the e-mail.

I just got the money letter today The following is all the text from the money letter.

Sir,

Your lady Zoya comes to our firm and uses our translation service.

She asked us to help her to write you because she does not know English.
She uses our Internet service too.

She is so upset because she cannot continue to write you because she does not have money.

She says that you are wonderful man and she was looking for you all her life.
She is upset that cannot write you. She wants you to know that you are the man of her dreams.

If you have a wish to continue your correspondence with Zoya we can send you all the information about our services and prices you need in order to proceed with your future communication.

And If you have any other questions, you may write us, and we will always answer you at once.
As you can contact us on an e-mail address pervocvetinfo@yahoo.com


The administration of the translation agency 'Pervocvet'


The previous is the text from the money letter

Attached is the famous Russian singer supposedly dreaming of me.

You know what they say 'If it's to good to be true it probably is'

I guess they thought I wouldn't do a search on the pervocvet agency.

When I had gotten the 3rd e-mail that said that she was falling for me is when all the bells whistles and red flags started going off in my head. They did modify some of the other letters from some of the straight form letters I had found on scammers.com SO they are starting to take time to read some of what you write and did answer a few of my questions but not all.

In all I was sent 4 e-mails and 9 pictures of Zoya really Ani Lorak I went to a link from this website and found some of the pictures I was sent

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2009-09-28, 15:24:10
[hidden] from United States  
I have been in contact with a scammer (still am right now). Her letters are almost exactly the same as one I saw on your website from Alina (alinavsegda@yahoo.com) but the photos are different.

Should I add my info to the Alina post or create a new one. I also know she/he goes by a couple other names and e addresses I found on another anti-scam forum. They had the same photos and letters I had received. For me she was Nadya/Nadezhda (rizetka@yahoo.com). She also goes by Marina (mariyakiska29@yahoo.com)
Thanks,

2009-09-29, 10:44:45
anonymous from United States  
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I meet a scammer on mingle2.com,her reeal name is Jane Spiff she claimed she was from ,Leeds UK instanly she offered to come to the state to meet, after a abut two weeks of e mailing she took down her profile and we talk on a regular basis,phone call's etc,things started not to make sense with here various phone # , one time I call her and she swaered to me it wasnt her?? Next was she wanted me to send her money for a plan ticket via western uion and no other way she refused to have me purcahse the ticket , I told her I was commng to her country ,the next thing she tell me is she in Nigeria with her father,she didn't tell me because her mother advised her not to because ppl would think she was a scammer,I searched her out on the web and found she has various profile saying she from various places the only thing that macthed was her name and age,but she a scammer Janespiff@yahoo.com


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