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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-11-02, 09:57:12
anonymous from United States  
hello men
watch out there is nother woman her name is tiffnay wallace.her email is tiff_cute005@yahoo.com watch out.she chat and send your emails and stops chating and emails and tells you off on messager.so i had to email this post men good and bad.
2009-11-02, 10:18:11
OJAS from United States  
An excellent article for newbies http://www.delphifa..=15#179324
2009-11-02, 13:33:10
concernedman from United States  
Hello, I met a girl from Russia on a Christian dating site. We have been exchanging email for a couple of weeks now. Everything is going well and she seems genuine. She says she really wants to come here to the USA and be with me. She has not asked for money and when I asked her if she would be able to fly here, she said she would save the money. She has told me that she has traveled to Egypt and France before and I assume on a tourist Visa.

I am a little confused because in the primer for newbies on this site, it says that there is now way she would be able to get a Visa to the USA. But I have searched and found a site that says many different kinds of Visas are granted by Russia. Here is the site:

http://www.mapsofwo..visa.html

But taking advise from the primer for newbies, I decided to ask her for specific photos. We have talked about her parents and I asked for her to send me a photo of her with her parents. I jst sent the email today, so she hasn't gotten back to me yet, but there is a 10 hour time difference. So her night is my day, and visa versa.

Possibly it's premature to be writing this now until I see if she responds to my email for specific photos. She has sent me about 7 photos so far and I used the photo search on this site. None of the photos came up with a match, however 2 of them had been searched before on this site. She said she wanted to meet a man on the Internet, so possibly she has sent photos to other men and they have searched her photos as well.

Please tell me how to go about this properly as to not get burned or hurt. I feel I am starting to care for her and don't want my heart broken. If it turns out that she can indeed get a Visa to come here, is there a way, a plane ticket can be purchased, she can pick it up at the airport, but cannot cash it in? Also, if it is not picked up and used, can I get my money back?

I have added her picture.

Please advise, and thanks,

Concerned



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2009-11-02, 13:48:48
concernedman from United States  
But how does one check/trace an IP adress when you only have an email address? What is there to learn from this trace and how do you tell if an IP address is forged and gow do you see the real location and information gained from the trace?

Thanks,

concerned
2009-11-02, 14:32:29
OJAS from United States  
2009-11-02, 14:39:14
OJAS from United States  
2009-11-07, 17:55:56   (updated: 2009-11-07, 17:57:27)
OJAS from United States  
2009-11-09, 23:10:51
anonymous from United States  
2009-11-13, 12:00:29
washca12@yahoo.com from Freeland, United States  
this girl has been talking to my via yahoo messenger and using the name lonely-jamila also honest-tyra and a couple of other names.. I see from your site that the pics she is using are stolen from a web site but she is definately scamming... She has asked for money for a marriage ceremony that takes three days and has someone acting as her mother to explain what is involved. She needs 4600.00 dollars for the board of elders and the ceremony and last night wanted 900.00 dollars for plane fare to the states.. She didn't get it from me but beware she is scamming...


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2009-11-13, 12:05:37
washca12@yahoo.com from Freeland, United States  
this girl has been scamming from Ghana if she or he is for real in their whereabouts.. asking for money to come to the states to be a wife and promising the world to whoever will send the cash....


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2009-11-16, 05:42:13
anonymous from Norway  
Well, this one bitch is still active...

Hello, dear xxxx!!!
This autumn day presented me with your letter and that's why this rainy and clouded day became brighter and sunnier! I am really happy to say to you again Hello! and to begin writing you my answer.
I'd like to tell you about my job. I work as a cook in a restaurant for about 8 years. i like my job very much because I can help people to be sated and glad. I feel that it's my calling, xxxx. When i see how a person eats my delicious dishes I feel very satisfied, really. I apply a lot of fantasy and diligence when i do them. I like to cook almost all dishes but especially i adore cakes and pies. Also I like to cook meat dishes because my parents adore them.
My mom's name is Irina Sergeevna. My mom used to be a cook too, and I decided to follow her example. Now she doesn't work any longer, she is a pensioner. My father is a builder. His name is Leonid Alexeevich. He assisted in building of a lot of houses and buildings of our city and he is very proud of this fact.
My family is very friendly. I live together with my mum and dad and we never have quarrels. I am the only child in my family because after my birth my mom had some problems with health and she was told that she won't be able to have any more children. I have never been married and I don't have children. And what can tell me about your family? If it isn't a secret I 'd like to know more about it. May be you'll be able to send me some pictures of your family? I really want to look at your relatives!
I don't smoke and I don't drink alcohol drinks. Only on holidays I may drink some white wine. And what's your attitude to drinking and smoking?
Of course, you can ask me, xxxx, why I made a decision to look for relationship in the Internet? Frankly speaking it's a rather difficult question for me. I consider myself to be a very attractive woman who has everything to be loved and to love… but... Yet I have never met such man who would accept me with all my advantages and drawbacks. Two years ago I had some relations with one man. He seemed to me to be very polite and very well treating me. But once I was told that he is dating at the same time with another woman. Naturally I couldn't tolerate such situation and I decided to separate with him.
It was really a great stress for me, xxxx. After that I haven't had any serious relations. I tried to concentrate myself on my job.... but I think that this feeling is familiar to you, feeling of solitude, and feeling that it's necessary to find a man who would understand and support you.
And I also want to ask you, xxxx, (if it isn't a secret), why you decided to look for relations in Internet? I'd like to know it, so if it isn't a great secret, write me, please, OK?
Bjorn, I'd like to know the best dream of your life, if it isn't a secret of course. But I still hope you'll tell it to me...
As for me I dream to have my own house somewhere in the suburbs of the city and to live there with my beloved man. I want to have not big, but cozy house with a small garden full of flowers and bushes. Of course it is very expensive but I am sure that it is possible. There is nothing impossible in our life, isn’t it, xxxx?
I hope you will like my letter and it wasn't to long for you.
Well, it is all for the moment. I wait for your letter and wish you a good day!
Your Natash
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2009-11-16, 10:59:11   (updated: 2009-11-16, 11:04:52)
wanwan from Japan  

@2009-11-16, 05:42:13
anonymous from Norway

Well, this one bitch is still active...

http://1stromanceto..om=113572



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2009-11-16, 14:08:24
anonymous from United States  
New names for this one scammer From Ghana Got an email form names of Angela Honely and Angela Smith. Did IP search and showed somewhere in Ghana
Here are some other pics she sent
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Dating scammer Angela Honely , Angela Smith



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2009-11-16, 14:10:37
anonymous from United States  
I asked 'her to send some hotter pics but she didn't.. bummer! lol
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Dating scammer Angela Honely , Angela Smith
Dating scammer Angela Honely , Angela Smith



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