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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2009-11-17, 12:14:20
Mangus from Tby, Sweden  
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2009-11-17, 13:11:59
2009-11-17, 19:31:11 from United States  
Good news do not arrive often, but occasionally, they do arrive...


by Elena Garrett

October 25, 2009

Several Russian media sources have reported that the Mari El Republic branch of the Federal Security Service of Russian Federation (UFSB RF of Mari El Republic) has identified and apprehended 'the boss' of one of larger dating-scam groups in Mari El Republic.

According to the official sources cited by Russian news organizations KomiNarod, MariEl MK, and Federal News Information Center, the arrest of Sergey Gorbunov, a 43 years old Yoshkar-Ola businessman, was the culmination of an extensive investigation that some news media have called 'unprecedented' in its scope.
In July of 2006, the Mari El UFSB began looking into the activities of what they believed to be an organized Internet scam group. Their investigation quickly revealed a large-scale online dating scam operation. After the group was placed under surveillance, law enforcement agents uncovered that the group was renting almost a dozen apartments in Yoshkar-Ola, the capital of Mari El Republic, and in Medvedevo, a suburb of Yoshkar-Ola.

In September of 2006, the Mari El police were ready to make their move. They coordinated a sequence of near-simultaneous raids on 10 of the apartments that were believed to be used by the group. Russian TV channel 'Russia' did a special on Mari El scammers ('Black Brides' episode of a popular program 'Honest Detective' by Eduard Petrov). In the program, some of the official police footage of the arrest and interrogations was shown to the public.

For example, the official footage shows police officers forcing their way into the apartments used by the scammers through balconies and windows. The footage made inside the apartments allows a rare glimpse at the office-like environment of those scam mini-factories: rows of computers are set up on cheap tables, food and drinks are sitting open next to the keyboards, notebooks for record keeping and cell phones are laying around.

As a result of the raids, over 100 people, mostly young males ages 18 to 35, were placed under arrest, and about 50 computers and many of the financial records were seized.

Most of the scammers arrested that day turned out to be in the lower chain of command, and not exactly the hardened criminals most people would imagine. Primarily students from local colleges and universities, their job was the daily task of correspondence with numerous prospective victims. Their work schedule was arranged in 8 hour shifts with 3 shifts per day, and the 'writing workhorses' of this scam group were receiving on average 10-15% of the money taken in, or about $500-$800 per month. Few denied their involvement in the scam, and most agreed to cooperate with police.

The records seized during the raid showed that the group had been operating since 2003 or 2004, and by the time of the raid the total average monthly income of the group approached $300,000. The approximate count of all the group's participants was around 500 people.

Several of the group's 'managers' were arrested that day, as well. Although still young, most in their mid to late 20s, the 'managers' were more likely to have prior criminal histories. But none of the arrestees could be identified as the group's top leader. Thus, the investigators started a long process of sifting through clues in order to get an idea of who the invisible hand behind the group's activities might be. All of the arrestees were questioned and released, but surveillance of the group members continued.

Not long after the raid, the group started to show signs of activity again. New apartments were rented, new computer equipment was bought, and some of the old 'employees' returned to work. The authorities had little choice but to halt the group's work once again. In July of 2007, less than 10 months after the first raid, a second raid was conducted. This time the sanctions for group participants were more severe, and those who were identified as key members of the group were placed in pre-trial detention. But even the second raid provided few additional clues as to the identity of the group's mastermind.

It was almost a year after that second raid before police investigators were able to piece together enough clues to identify the main beneficiary of the funds that the group had collected from unsuspecting foreigners over the years.
In August of 2008, authorities finally filed charges against the person believed to be the mastermind behind the operation of the group: Sergey Gorbunov, a local resident who officially had no other source of income but his job as an assistant director of 'PolymerSythez,' a small manufacturing company based in Yoshkar-Ola. It is not clear whether Sergey Gorbunov actually performed any official duties at 'PolymerSythez.' The investigators believe that his work for the company might have been used primarily to justify his significant income. According to Mari El MK, at the time of the arrest Sergey Gorbunov was the owner of two luxury cars, complete with a personal driver, and of an apartment in one of the most prestigious residential developments of Kazan, a large and prosperous city not far from Yoshkar-Ola, with a view on the Kremlin of the Tatarstan Republic. His elderly mother owned three real estate properties in Yoshkar-Ola, as well.

Gorbunov was charged with fraud under Section 4 Article 159 of the Criminal Code of Russian Federation (Major Fraud - fraud performed by an organized criminal group or fraud involving an especially large amount of money), which carries a penalty of 5 to 10 years of incarceration plus fines. In the case against Gorbunov and his group members, authorities allege 750 victims and over 2 million dollars worth of profit. The municipal court of Yoshkar-Ola issued a warrant for his arrest, and he was placed in pre-trial detention. According to official sources, Gorbunov insists he is innocent. At this time it is not known whether he has a lawyer.

While looking for evidence of his role in the criminal group, in March of 2009 police investigators unexpectedly came upon a number of weapons. Some were buried in a field near the village Velikopolie in Mari El and others hidden in garages in Yoshkar-Ola. The seized weapons included handguns and hand grenades, and a search of one of the apartments owned by Gorbunov's mother turned up some large-caliber ammunition. A new criminal case was opened to determine whether police can tie Gorbunov to the seized weapons. Additional charges against Sergey Gorbunov are likely.

Elena Garrett will continue to report on further developments in this case.
2009-11-17, 22:00:53
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-11-17, 19:31:11 from United States

Good news do not arrive often, but occasionally, they do arrive...

Special thanks to you Elena !
I am so happy to read your report !
Great !

2009-11-19, 14:55:50
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Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)

2009-11-19, 18:59:27
ww from Japan  
2009-11-19, 22:28:01
2009-11-20, 00:40:17
2009-11-20, 00:43:10
2009-11-20, 09:21:43
OJAS from United States  
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2009-11-20, 15:26:04
ww from Japan  
You know we Japanese have only one eye color(black).
So we don't ask what kind of eye color do you have in Japan.
But Western people have so many eye colors.
I find a tool '' Similla Enlager ''

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Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)
Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)
Primer for first time visitors (Dating Scams)

2009-11-20, 15:27:06
ww from Japan  
And here it is .

2009-11-22, 03:04:58
Who has seen this girl for real or talked her by webcam or else? It seems she is in Ghana and Nigeria and her friends are reported here too. They are in sex live chat satelites too.Please add any true comments here if you know enough about them.

2009-11-22, 07:11:27
OJAS from United States  
2009-11-22, 09:34:23
007 from United Kingdom  

I gotta feeling, its the Black Eyed Peas!!!

We'll have No Monkey business here!!


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