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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2009-11-27, 08:43:27
Miss Marple from Sweden  
@Wanwan

you want to have my oppinion about this picture..??
(2009-11-26)Denise Milani...
ok for me as an female i think this picture belongs to
NUDITY yes,because if you look at the picture,what does it
stand for ?? I mean is this a picture for every audience..??

of course not..it is created for the male audience...not for us
women...is it that bad that it should be removed.??.it is very
questional ,my self i have looked at it several times..does it
make me feel bad ore good?? it is mixed thinkings of this one
because she shows in the same time and not..but it is very sexual
picture yes it is..does it make me upset ?? yes and no...

But if i could chose i would remove this one..but as the males
here has oppinion in that is not/ borderline....????
for me as an female having an oppinion it is NUDITY..

All regards //Miss Marple//











2009-11-27, 11:26:19
anonymousWW from Japan  
@miss marple

Thanks !
Your opinion is very helpful for me to think about posting standard.
I think it is the borderline photo .
That is the reason why I asked you on this photo.
I want to know the female's opinions on posting standard.

Thanks ,again !

Have a good weekend !
2009-11-28, 08:27:51
anonymous from United States  
I didn't remove the photo I posted, someone else did. But I will repost another one. So I pose the question again. Does anyone know who this lady is. Thanks again.
2009-11-28, 09:00:08   (updated: 2009-11-28, 09:02:46)
OJAS from United States  
Anon US 2009-11-28, 08:27:51, Did you see the follow-ups starting with http://www.delphifa..91#183370
If so, Is this her thread? http://www.delphifa..4290.shtml
2009-11-28, 11:08:50
ww from Japan  
@2009-11-28, 08:27:51
anonymous from United States

I hope you will think of Delphi's posting standard.
Photos are important clues to search for your girl.
But her nice tits are also important clues to find her?
Women also visit Delphi and see that photo you have posted on Delphi.
I hope you will pay a big attention to those persons.
Please see this photo below.
This is my opinion on posting standard.

And listen to the advice of OJAS.
It is your girl's infos.


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2009-11-28, 14:17:08
anonymous  
rating
I was contacted by a a supposed russian girl. She has all the scam features.
In the third letter she told me that she loves me and by the twentieth letter she asked me for money to buy the airplaine tickets to visit me and live together forever.
Be aware:

e-mail
lokerpokeroksi@rambler.ru

Name:Oksana
Surname:Efremova
You asked my address:
The country:Russia
City:Barnaul
Street:Hirosivova
The house:99
Apartment:59

Here is a picture of her. It is almost sure that she is not the scammer but it could help anyway.



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2009-11-29, 10:57:19
ww from Japan  
2009-11-29, 12:43:41
S.buono  
Ora so che cosa volete katyameteleva
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer ekaterina meteleva
Dating scammer ekaterina meteleva
Dating scammer Anna Ogannisyan



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2009-11-29, 13:20:33
anonymous from Ireland  
Hi, Its me from Ireland Again,

This could be a new Scammer. Photo enclosed

She gives her name as Elena.
E-mail Address:08ebyam@rambler.ru

Asking me for 3000 Euros so thta she can Pay for Airfare and Travel Documents.
Yeah... 3000 Euros. In her dreams



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2009-11-29, 16:56:05
OJAS from United States  
2009-11-30, 09:09:58
ww from Japan  
@2009-11-29, 12:43:41
S.buono

http://www.delphifa..#comments

Thank you and please post FULL infos about Ekaterina Meteleva on Delphi.
I am tracing her.
She is one of Gold Diggers rather than a scammer.
She never need your true love but needs only SEX,MONEY !
http://www.delphifa..+meteleva

This image was also posted here:
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
Dating scammer ekaterina meteleva
Dating scammer ekaterina meteleva



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2009-12-02, 23:33:29
Dak  
Ekaterina Meteleva, Scammer, prostitute and thief from Omsk Russia
Ekaterina Meteleva, Scammer, prostituta e ladra di Omsk Russia
Екатерина Метелева, проститутки и воры из Омска, Россия


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2009-12-03, 00:18:15
wanwan from Japan  
@Dak

Thank you for your post.
Please tell us your story on Ekaterina Sexteleva(oh ! sorry,'' Meteleva '' ).

This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer ekaterina meteleva



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2009-12-03, 07:10:05
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Hi Guys

Just wanted to tell you a little story. A Nigerian guy said he wanted to rent a room from me in London. I had advertised online. He said he was a student and that if it was ok he would send me a cheque for one month's rent and a one months deposit. BUT he said he had to send me about twice that much because his boss had given him one cheque only. I said ok send me the cheque (I knew already it was a scam but wanted to know how it played out). I received the cheque which looked ok to me, just a bit wrong in some way, printed in Africa no doubt. Anyway I knew this cheque would bounce so never deposited it. He had asked me to send the difference back meaning that I would deposit the cheque, it would show as money in my account and then I send him his money and wait for him to turn up. Meanwhile the cheque would take about a week to register as unreal. Too late, I am out of a grand easy.

So I decided to play a trick on him. I said I took the cheque to a special money exchange place called TTTMoneycorps (it exists) and that when they transfered the money it was THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT!!! Ooo, big surprise there. I chatted to him online saying did he want me to send the difference back (several thousand pounds)? He said ooooh yes please. I said cool but one little problem. I said TTTMoneycorp were asking for a ten percent security fee for the transaction because it was coming from Africa and that because Christmas was coming up I didn't have the ten percent. He said please pay it. I said ok, only if you send ME the money. He said you are trying to scam me. Ha ha ha. I said what do you mean. We talked for days and he almost sent me the money. It was priceless. In the end we both gave up and I said I knew what he was doing all along and he said he will scam someone else anyway. But it was so damn fucking close for him sending me money. It was sweet. If I had played it better I would have sucked him in. Never mind. Good luck to you all.

Here's a sweet little thing that trying to sucker me right now. Her name is Olesyar. SIgh, if only....
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Mariya Sella



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2009-12-03, 09:36:31
OJAS from United States  
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