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Name: Natalia Sergan


apartment 239, 115 Ozernaya Street, Cheboksary, Russia

also spells name: ''serzhan''

Other Comments:
Requests money sent by Western Union for: Passports, Visa and tickets to UK
VERY convincing lady.... emails from 'Internet cafe' works in children's hospital ??????
Says she has very little money !!!

Hello my love xxxx!!!!!!!
Dear xxxx today after work I went to travel agency to learn all about my trip
to you! And I have learnt all and in this letter I about it will write all to
you and I will inform my love xxxx!
How are you???? I MISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU MY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But me is for
some reason sad..... I want to be with you..... I think of you ever more. You
constantly are in my ideas. I can not forget about you of any minute...... I
LOVE YOU!!!!!!! My love when we shall be together???? I would like that it
happened faster....... I would like to look in your eyes, to feel your lips on
my lips, to feel your body near to mine...... My sweet I hope that you too do
not forget me and think of me...... Sometimes at night I to cry.......... I
would like to be with you. I am ready to give back half of life behind some
minutes carried out with you. I want to give back you all my love.
I very strongly love you and without you and your letters I feel myself very
bad. I needs in you and in your words. You love me and this largest happiness in
the world! I very strongly wait our meeting and think, that it will be speed. I
want to speak with you, to kiss you long long, to go with you in cinema. Before
meeting with you, my life was monotonous. I do not have happiness with the
favourite man. I search the love, but these searches have not resulted me in it.
I just receive only disappointment. Each day I think of life and do not see,
that I nothing to cost in this world and me it was very bad. But I do not want
to recollect, what was earlier. I have you and nothing more is necessary.
Without you and your love, my heart will be empty on always. I know, that you
see it. We love each other and we should be together. I wait this moment. I am
happy to hear that our meeting soon is held. I have passport of Russia. But I do
not have international passport. Today I went in Transport inspection.
Also has found out. That is necessary for trip in England.
1) The international passport is necessary 108 EUR.
2) The short-term visa. Is given out for the period of 90 days.
3) The obligatory insurance 158 EUR is necessary. If with me that be happen.
And me then will render medicine the help free-of-charge.
4) Medicine the conclusion me him will make free-of-charge.
As I Medicine the worker.
5) Ticket aboard the plane up to cities Moscow 298 EUR.
What to receive the visa. The following documents are necessary.
The passport.2 colour or black-and-white photos 5x5.
The application for the form 48R.
The information from a place of job with the instruction
(indication) of a post and wages (original).
6) Your complete data which are specified in the passport:
second name
date of birthday
your country
tel. number
The visa I shall receive in city Moscow. Embassy of England in Moscow.
Registration the visa 14 days. Cost the visa 45 EUR. Cost of the tickets aboard
the plane up to London in both ends 440 EUR. On all trip it is necessary 1049.00
EUR. I spoke with the mum. We do not have such money. It is very a pity.
Yesterday I saw dream about us with you, he very much has liked me also I want
To tell him to you. Me has dreamt as we with you we meet at the airport. I
search for you by eyes. Also I see. You stand with a bouquet flowers. And we
approach to to each other slowly. And you give me flowers. And I can not
constrain your feelings with happiness. Then you take Me on hands, we go to
Hotel. In Hotel the supper is prepared in honour of my arrival. On a table the
candle burns. It so is romantic. I even have forgotten about weariness. Which I
have received from flight. And we with you long speak. And then has rung out an
alarm clock. And I should be going to on job. It is very a pity, what is it
there was a dream. I very much wait our meeting.
I shall wait for your letter and trust in our meeting. I love you my Prince.
Only yours Natalya.

Hello my love xxxx!!!
My lovely and most dear xxxx I very strongly love you!!!! You dear person in my
life!! I do not represent without you the life!!! You the most remarkable person
on this earth and me are necessary nobody except you!!!! I VERY STRONGLY LOVE
My love xxxx to me very much and very much it is now sad and difficult!!!! I do
not know how to tell to you about it!!! I very strongly worry and I do not know,
that to me to do!!!! When I now came back from travel agency I did not know what
to write to you in the letter and as all to explain, that with me happen!!!! But
I should to you explain and tell in detail all after all I very strongly you I
love and I wish to be only with you in the holiday!!!
My love xxxx after Internet cafe I have gone at once to travel agency to
reserve tickets aboard the plane to London!!! I was very happy and rejoiced to
that we soon with you my love xxxx at last will together!!! I was the happiest
woman on light and nobody could prevent my happiness!!!!! When I have come to
travel agency I have gone at once to the manager to start to reserve tickets!!!!
The manager of agency to me has told, that now at booking of tickets, it is
necessary for me to give the proof of my strong financial condition!!! It is all
that my salary very small and me the document is necessary for the proof of
guarantees for your state!!! My love xxxx the manager of agency to me has told,
that it is necessary for me to have the inquiry on purchase of currency from
calculation 67 Euros a day!!! My love xxxx I to you meal for 9 days, therefore
am necessary to give me the inquiry that I have monetary savings in the sum 9x67
= 603 Euros!!!! My love xxxx I promised not to ask from you any more money and
consequently to me very much and it is very a shame!!! But I do not know where
to me to take such sum of money!!!! It is necessary for me to show only this
money and the inquiry on currency purchase, that this money is available for
me!!! And when I will arrive to you my love xxxx I to you all this money I will
give at once at the airport!!!! It is necessary for me to show only my financial
condition, that at me everything is all right!!! Otherwise me will not let out
abroad!!!! I should not spend this money, and I should show them only!!!!!!!
I have been very surprised, anybody earlier about it did not speak to me!!!! My
love xxxx I could not think at all that there can be such rule!!!! I the truth
did not know about it!!!!! To me have told that this rule have entered that some
people leave and start to steal, the vagabond and to be engaged in prostitution
because they do not have money for a life in other country!!!! I explained to
them, that I will live with you that we love each other also to me no
money will be necessary!!!! But me have told that a rule exist for all and they
do not do any exceptions!!!! I begged them, I explained them that we with you
should be together, but they do not listen to me and say me only one that rules
exist for all!!!! They say to me, that even if they now will reserve tickets all
exactly officer of the customs control at the airport will not let out me abroad
if I do not give the inquiry on the financial condition!!! And for their agency
the penalty because they reserve tickets for their clients at which will be
written out there be no financial guarantees!!!! And that I can remain in your
country as the illegal alien!!!! My love xxxx I do not know, that to us to do,
I very much wish to be with you!!! I want to you, I wish you to see, embrace to
kiss!!!! To tell to you that I strongly love you!!! To me so it is bad my love
xxxx!!! I am upset!!!!! I do not understand our country, such rules what for
are necessary!!!! My love xxxx I very much love you, you are necessary to me
only and your love!!!!!! I cannot live without you!!! My love xxxx I all life
waited for you and here before us there was this barrier!!!! To me so it is bad,
my eyes fill in bitter tears!!! My love xxxx forgive me that I so have strongly
brought you!!!! But I did not know anything about it!!!!! My heart is broken off
on a part from a pain, I cannot live without your love!!!!!!! I want to you my
sun!!!!! !!! My love xxxx you have shined my life, you have made me happy!!!!!
Only with you I have learnt, that such the true love!!!!! My love xxxx you the
one for whom I waited all life!!!!!!! I adore you my charm!!!!! I very much do
not have your support now!!!!!!! I do not have not enough you now, as air!!!!!!
About as I want, that you have simply embraced me!!!!!!! To me it is very heavy
and terrible, I feel helpless!!!!! My love xxxx I did not think that I should
be informed you such bad news!!!! I thought that all behind and before us is not
present any barriers more!!!!!!
When I about it have learnt, I very strongly was upset!!! I constrained myself
not to begin to cry in the travel agency because I do not wish to upset you!!!
After all I was so is happy and at us with you so all is good!!!! I have made
already all documents the passport for travel abroad and the visa, have paid for
medical insurance!!! I needed to reserve only tickets aboard the plane and we
will be together March!!!! Tickets aboard the plane should be reserved for
days, and to time till March remains very little!!! Especially soon
there will be days off!!!!! My love xxxx I remember, that I to you promised not
to ask more from you money!!!! Because you and so have helped me very strongly
and I am very grateful to you for it!!! But I do not have such big money!!! I
have only 150 euros which to me were given by my mum!!!! She has given me
everything, that could give!!!! But this money to me is necessary to spend one
day in Moscow!!!! After all Moscow very expensive city and me this money is
My love xxxx that I deliver you many problems seems to me, it is very heavy to
me to realise it!!!! I feel myself very guilty to you my love xxxx!!!! My love
xxxx to me it is very bad, I cry at this time and me so is sick that it not
happiness and pleasure tears, and tears of bitterness and the big error!!!! I do
not know, that to us to do my love xxxx!!!! The size of the sum necessary to
take off to you 603 Euros!!!! 603 euros that I could be with you are
necessary!!!!!!! My love xxxx I do not know where to me to take such money!!!!!
I do not understand our country!!!!! What for such rules!!!!! I explained them
that with me happens nothing, but they say that rules exist that them to carry
out, instead of to stand and not to persuade them!!!! They have told that from
it leaves nothing!!!! And that what to stand to persuade them to avoid these
rules, simply waste of time!!! My love xxxx I thought that that all will take
place wonderfully, but now I have a problem, I do not know as me it to solve!!!!
I very much very much wish to be only with you!!!! I would give all to be with
you!!!! It is a pity nothing to me for the sake of our happiness!!!! My love
xxxx only together we will be happy!!!! I have got tired to suffer, I wish to
be happy and to do you happy!!!! I have got tired to live suffering!!!! My love
xxxx I love you my prince on a white horse!!!! My love xxxx I understand, that
you and so has helped me with a trip to you and I promised not to ask any more
from you money!!! But I have no place to take more them!!! I will not spend this
money!!!! As soon as I will arrive to you I at once I will give you this
money!!! I need to show only their presence and to prove them that I can live in
your country these days!!! Otherwise I cannot in be onboard the plane and I
cannot take off to you my love xxxx!!!! I am in full confusion!!! If you can my
love xxxx help me please!!!! I very much wish to be only with you, I wish to be
with you and to love you my love xxxx!!!!
I any more do not know as us it is possible to leave this position!!! My love
xxxx, I will not spend this money, I will need to show only them and when I
will arrive to you I at once I will give to you them directly at the airport!!!!
My love xxxx I do not understand as us further to be, I very much very much
wish to be with you!!!! My life without you is not necessary to me!!!! I want to
you my love xxxx!!!! That so has turned out is very a pity to me!!!! It is very
a shame to me before you my love xxxx!!!! My love xxxx I very much worry, I
hope that that you can help me!!!! At me all body shivers, I write you this
letter shivering hands, my heart is covered with blood!!!! To me it is very sick
my love xxxx that I deliver you so much problems. xxxx I love, I love you I
wish to speak you it eternally!!! xxxx forgive me my love!!!! I very strongly
wish to be with you!!!! I would want that we were happy!!!! I wait for your
I LOVE YOU xxxx!!!!
Forever yours Natalya

Hello my love xxxx!!!
Excuse me my love xxxx!!! Excuse me my love xxxx!!!!! Excuse me my love
xxxx I very strongly love you!!! You the most remarkable person on this
xxxx I long did not write all this time to you because I have got to
All this time I am in hospital!!! I very strongly love you and I wish to
apologise once again before you, that all so has turned out!!!
Doctors in hospital anywhere do not let out me also I therefore could not write
and inform you!!! I long persuaded doctors that they have let out me in Internet
cafe that I have written you the letter my love xxxx, but they in any way did
not let out me!!!! I cried and swore at them and today I all the same have
persuaded them and I can write you the small letter!!!
Dear xxxx excuse me please, that I such silly girl!!! I abuse myself for all
and I can not forgive myself!!! Dear xxxx I have got to terrible accident and
all this time I was in hospital and I am now!!!
When I have opened the box my love xxxx I have seen from you many letters!!! I
have seen, that you abuse me and are angry!!! I ask to forgive me, soon we will
together, I promise to you!!! As I only will leave hospital I necessarily will
arrive to you my love xxxx!!!!
When I studied to go by a motor vehicle of the girlfriend I have had an
accident. It has occurred on crossing of two roads. I have received some bruises
of edges and a head and a backbone. With my girlfriend all is good, she had weak
bruises too. At the wheel other car there was a man, he had crisis of 2 edges.
But this not so heavy wound and doctors have told that he soon to recover. I
have tested such shock, till now I can not get rid of it! I do not sleep many
nights and all I think of you my love xxxx!!!
Today to me there will arrive my mum and will hand over tickets back in
airline!!! She will make it that when I will leave hospital I can reserve again
tickets to you my love xxxx!!! I to you my love xxxx necessarily will
arrive!!! The most important thing you do not worry, with me all will be fast
well and I to you will arrive!!! I to you write to warn, that I should not be
met today at the airport!!!! But doctors say, that I soon will leave hospital
and I can take off to you!!! I very much love you xxxx!!! We will be with you
together and we will spend with you our unforgettable holiday!!!
You person dear to me!!! I very strongly love you!!!!
Excuse me my love xxxx!!!! Excuse me my love xxxx!!!! Excuse me my love
I always spoke you only the truth and I want, that you trusted me!!! I very
strongly love you!!!
Soon I will write you the letter my love xxxx!!!
For ever yours Natalya

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2010-04-03, 03:03:57
OJAS from United States  
2010-04-03, 04:08:02
Eddie from Sweden  
FFS, sportka! An expensive learning experience... I'm gutted for you.

But whatever you do, don't blame yourself. These scammers are professional criminals. They know exactly which buttons to push...although if you don't mind me saying you should have done a bit more homework.

Read this if you want to know how they work http://www.delphifa..=67#31928

It's the 8th comment down.
2010-04-03, 09:53:34
sportka from United Kingdom  
My thanks to all my new friends out there for the information on these 'scamming' people, I am learning fast, but unfortunately a little too late to save me hard earned money ! ( before this experience ) I never knew what a 'scammer' was ? With reference to my 'x' friend Natalya...., going by all the pics I was sent by her, she appears to me, to be a ''freelance scammer'' working with someone who knows 'photography' and 'adoby photoshop'. There are four 'pics' showing the inside of her apartment and one photograph of her on her bed holding a card saying 'happy birthday'... but I have removed that part of the picture as it gives my name! And as soon as I gave her the 'name' of this site to look at her self... she 'closed down' her email address immediately ! ( to be expected of cause ).

I am trying very hard not to think that all Russian women are like Natalya and just want 'money', but it is very hard not to....!?
2010-04-03, 10:58:03
Eddie from Sweden could be right. But in my experience (about 3 years of baiting scammers from 2006-2008) there are very few female freelancers about.

I remember the first time a 'girl' tried to scam me in 2006. It took me a few weeks to realise I was being scammed and a bit longer to accept that I hadn't been communicating with a real 'poor Russian girl'.

I was lucky...I had actually invited a REAL Russian girl that I'd met on the Internet to Stockholm a few months before so I knew all the visa regulations/procedures. The scammer sent me all these ecstatic mails...I was her knight in shining armour...then she tried to scam me for the visa money, but I was confused because I knew she couldn't get a visa without plane tickets so she should have been asking me for a lot more dosh.

Even after I started doing some homework, sent her flowers only to discover the address was false, learned how to trace an IP and discovered 'she' wasn't in Kazan at all but in the next republic, even when the scammer's female accomplice phoned me one evening...I was still convinced I was dealing with a female scammer.

And although I thought about sending her money anyway, you know 'helping out a poor Russian girl reduced to scamming', luckily I didn't. When I did more homework I discovered that 90% of Russian dating scammers are men. But I can understand that you're in denial, having been convinced you were dealing with a real girl for 3 months.

OJAS will concur.

Sportka, have you posted some of the headers from her mails? I can tell you where 'she' is, whether she's a freelance or not, etc. If you want to know, that is.

BTW a couple of months after my first scammer I met my current Russian partner, and we've been living together for the past two years ;))
2010-04-03, 12:10:09
sportka from United Kingdom  
Hi Eddie.... you understand my state of mind very well.... I still want to believe in her!!! She / He, was so very believable, this has been a completely new experience in my life, and a very ''disturbing'' experience !!

I didn't like loosing the 'money', but loosing the 'dream girl' was/is more painful! But I am sure I am not the only one to say that.

Is this what is ment by the 'headers'... and is it any help identifing her location????

( I know what an 'IP address' is, but I am lost after that..............! )

From: <>

From: =D0=9D=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8C=D1=8F =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=
=D0=B0=D0=BD <><br>
Sent: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:19<br>
Subject: Re: I do not wish you to lose my love xxxxx!!! I love you always!=

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Subject: I do not wish you to lose my love xxxxx!!! I love you always!!!!
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2010-04-03, 12:50:05   (updated: 2010-04-03, 13:11:53)
Eddie from Sweden  
Like I said, spotka, these scammers know which buttons to push. They prey on the innocent, the vulnerable and/or the romantic.

And exactly...those look like the headers, but they look a bit short. Are those the full headers?

You need to post one or two of the full headers...with all the 'Received'. It looks to me as if you cut a bit off the bottom of some of them.

Should look something like this:

Return-Path: <>
Received: from ( by (
id 4B9D887C005254DB for; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:19:12 +0200
Received: from ([]:50982
    by with esmtp (Exim 4.69)
    (envelope-from <>)
    id 1NxIQ9-0002NW-C5
    for; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:19:05 +0200
Received: by (Postfix, from userid 33)
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    13:17:20 +0200
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:17:20 +0200
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Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4)
X-HELO-Warning: Remote host ( incorrectly presented itself as
X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1NxIQ9-0002NW-C5.
X-Scan-Signature: 1NxIQ9-0002NW-C5 93364ac27a9ae7d3ef31caddd00cab51
X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--)
X-Spam-Report: Scanned by
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Subject: xxxxxxxxxr

How to get email headers in AOL or AIM ?

If the email is sent from anywhere OTHER then AOL, and you are receiving it in AOL, then open the email you want to trace, or have your client open the email, and look for the link 'Details'. This link is usually just below the To:email in the email message. Then just copy and paste.

the most important part is the 'X-Originating-IP' although I doubt that we'll find one.

BTW wasn't a good idea to give the scammers a link to this site, even if I understand you were pissed off with her/them.

Sometimes they come here and make trouble, either way they just change their pics...which doesn't help any other potential victims who might be googling for your girl.
2010-04-03, 13:17:05
sportka from United Kingdom  
Sorry Eddie............. you are right, I was pissed-off and didn't realise it might create a problem.

Don't seem to be able to get anything right at the moment?

All this still seems very unreal !
2010-04-03, 13:17:35
Eddie from Sweden  
The only traceable IP I can find in the headers you posted is, which is for Carphone Warehouse Broadband Services in Irlam near Manchester. I suspect that's yours.
2010-04-03, 13:20:15
Eddie from Sweden  
Could you try again with the full headers?
2010-04-03, 13:42:23
sportka from United Kingdom  
Thank you Eddie for tring to help me...... i hope the following is better for the information...... i haven't deleted anything this time and please note that i used ( 2 ) email addresses the second is : 'woodgate'....etc.

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Subject: Re: I LOVE YOU!!!
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:44:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: LOVE YOU... KISSES !!!!!!!!!
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2010-04-03, 14:15:42
sportka from United Kingdom  

--AOL Postmaster

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2010-04-03, 15:04:14   (updated: 2010-04-03, 15:08:59)
Eddie from Sweden  
No worries, sportka. I know you're in shock about it all. But you probably should've deleted your own email addresses in this post like you did before :((

Looks like you've posted two headers there, the second one is from a message you sent to her? (I mean in your first post) That doesn't help us much. Only the mails from 'her' will help us.

Sadly, I'm having a few problems though. It seems that AOL and AIM headers don't show the originating IP address.

The only IPs I can see are (America Online Inc) (Carphone Warehouse Broadband Services, Irlam, Manchester, GB (America Online Inc) (America Online, Inc headquarters)

IE when you use AOL webmail services, it acts as a sort of proxy a screen behind which you (or your correspondent) can hide. In other words, you chose the worst possible way of communcating with your scammer. If you'd had a hotmail, outlook, google, yahoo or pretty much any other email account, I could have traced the IP for you.

I can only assume that the Carphone Warehouse Broadband Services is your internet provider and that you live somewhere near Manchester? It may be the local AOL server.

For example, in the header I posted, the originating IP is, which traces to Datakultur AB, Eidergatan 10, SE Malmo, Sweden (which also happens to be the town where the mail came from). Datakultur is the webmail service provider of the person who sent me the email.

So although I can't trace the exact identity of the user, I can get a rough fix on the city. Most Russian scammers claim to be in different cities but are more often than not in Mari-El Republic. If they're hiding their IPs behing a proxy server in Germany or Holland etc, then that's the first sign of a scam. Why would a real girl hide her IP? sometimes scammers forge their IPs, but that's quite easy to tell as well.

Unfortunately, you've done part of the job for them by using AOL, but you weren't to know. I wanted to prove to you that your girl was not a real girl. There's probably a way to find the IP somehow, but it's beyond an amateur like me. Maybe OJAS knows?

Did you happen to correspond with the scammer using a hotmail or any other address?

If you didn't, all I can offer you is moral support.
2010-04-03, 15:27:58
sportka from United Kingdom  

Hi Eddie,
I have been thinking very hard about what you have been saying to me about these people ''pressings'' all the right buttons and I really do respect your opinion regarding this subject. But thinking back to the many words that passed between the 'scammer' and myself... I am still unable to completely believe this was NOT a 'woman', it's not just the words... it's more the way the other person is thinking and expressing them selves! Sorry, but I am sure you will understand that some how I have to come to terms with this situation, and part of that process is knowing if it really was a 'girl or man' I was talking to for three months? As I have said already, this is a completely new experience for me, I normally know the sort of person I am talking to, even in emails, but this person was really able to get inside one's mind in such an intimate way... if this person was a 'man' I find that thought very 'uncomfortable', these 'scammers' must really be very usual people ???

2010-04-03, 15:41:16
sportka from United Kingdom  
Thanks Eddie.... but I can't offer any more on that subject. I appreciate your interest in my situation but I think I am just going to have to except that this was a very BAD DREAM and get on with my life....

but I really do thank you for all your interest in my little 'adventure'.....

yours Sportka.
2010-04-03, 15:57:43
Eddie from Sweden  
Sportka, if you skim through the threads you'll find dozens of (perfectly normal male) victims just like you who needed a few weeks to come to terms with the scam they'd just been subjected to. Most of them are in denial for a while.

For example, there's a guy who started an 'Armenian connection' thread. He was convinced that he was being scammed by 'poor Armenian girls'...why? because they had Armenian email addresses and said they were Armenian. In 10 seconds I traced the IPs to Tula, a few hundred miles south of Moscow. Just regular Boris scammers. Still the guy wouldn't believe me that they weren't Armenian.

So just consider these many times did you talk to your girl on the phone in the 3 months? Did she conveniently claim not to have a phone? Did she claim not to have any money? How could she afford to use an expensive Internet café to write you all those mails? (believe me, Internet cafés are pricey for most Russian citizens outside Moscow). Did you ever chat with her with a webcam link up or see her in person? Did you ever offer to travel to Russia to meet her? Why didn't you go? Did she discourage it and say for example that her city was 'too dangerous'? Did you ever try and send her anything by post? and so on and so on.

In other words, what hard evidence have you got that she was actually a woman?

I'm not trying to be harsh here. You got scammed and it sucks. You made a genuine mistake and got burned, but it could be a lot could be in a wheelchair or married to someone you don't love. Your scammer could actually be a woman, but it's unlikely.

Now please read the welcome page for newbies just above this comment box, if you haven't already.
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