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Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 1

I would like to warn fellow males from a scam artist, located in Russia.


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I had a profile posted on an American dating web site and a female from my area answered me. Her letter was a few lines long, in good English and she seemed honest and cute, so I replied.

The letter said she had a read-only trial account and would not be able to receive messages, so she included a yahoo email address. She asked me to write to this yahoo email address. I did this and a few days later her trial account was gone, she explained that she deleted it because she found me. (that is what she answered, when I asked her about it)

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This girl claimed to live in Kazan, Tartastan, 26 years old and called herself Barbi.
There was something suspicious about her letters, in particular I always had the
impression that she did not really read mine every time. Sometimes she wrote
personal, matching replies, then sometimes not. her photos of which she sent
about 25 so far, had number like 5.jpg, 6.jpg, 35.jpg etc.

Yesterday I did a query for some phrases of some of her emails and found them
posted on 2 other web sites. Apparently she wrote identical letters to other guys
using different names and different pictures. She or he asked those guys for money,
supposedly for tickets or visa paperwork. I guess I am lucky that she never asked
me for any money. However, I felt fooled when I saw "my" emails had also been
sent in parts to other guys.

For that reason I will post her here letters. I know that parts of these letters
have been posted on 2 other sites, but not all.
I include the full headers in the first email. The sender comes from a russian
dial-up but in another email I sent her a URL to one of my web sites and apparantly
"she" uses some sort of satellite DSL for the downstream, the IP number was
84.xx (to be filled in later).


Letter 1:

X-Originating-IP: [195.161.208.130] 
Return-Path:  
Authentication-Results: mta251.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) 
Received: from 195.161.208.130 (EHLO aqua.relinfo.ru) (195.161.208.130) 
          by mta251.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:02:29 -0700 
Received: from [195.161.214.92] (92.214.dialup.mari-el.ru [195.161.214.92]) 
          by aqua.relinfo.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j885LxCa024528 
          for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:28:33 +0400 (MSD) 
          (envelope-from dyshevnay@yahoo.com) 

Hello  Peter!  Have good day? The computer in service of acquaintances
found  to me Some profiles of people which coincide with my inquiry. I
Preliminary  studied them and has decided to send you to the first the
message  Because  your  profile  seems to me more interesting. I hope,
that You have time to send me some messages that we could it is better
to  learn about each other. I shall tell a little about myself; my age
of  26 years old and my birthday on On July, 22. I was not married and
I  live  in an apartment with my parents. Some years, after the ending
of  training  I work seller of home appliances in a supermarket. To me
To  like  productive  leisure,  periodically  go  in  for  sports  for
maintenance  of  a  body. I like to travel and be in different places,
but  My  work  does  not  allow  me  to  do it frequently. I have many
friends,  We sometimes together spend time, play billiards and tennis,
we  have  Other entertainment. I send you the picture that you knew my
person. Me very much like different sweet things, such as a pie, cake,
sweet.  But  frequently  I  do  not permit itself to have it to not be
thick.  Still  I  love beautiful clothes and different things of light
colours.  I  like  of light tone, such as light-blue, pink, beige. And
what your favourite colour? Please Ask things interesting you about me
and  inform  me  some  The  information  on  you:  what  you  love  an
entertainment?  What your character? What You love qualities in women?
Whether  You  had  the  wife?  I shall answer on your questions and to
inform  you it is more about itself in following e-mail! I shall be To
wait  for  your  messages.  My  email  is  dyshevnay@yahoo.com  I with
impatience  shall  wait letter from you and I shall answer you at once
as soon as you to me write. it will be pleasant for me to see your new
photos  and  to learn a lot of new about you. Write to me I wait. Your
friend Barbi.

Letter 2:

Dear mine , where you were gone, why any more do not write me
the letters, I wait already what is the time, and them all no.
There can be I you something has offended? Write to me please.
With impatience I wait Barbi.


Letter 3:

Hi  Peter!  Have good day! Peter, you ask, where I live - to To regret
it is far from you. Otherwise it was not necessary for us much e-mail,
To  learn  each  other. I for the first time have acquaintance through
the  Internet.  It was very difficult to me to place my structure in a
service  of  acquaintances,  because  I  am  in Russia, the service of
acquaintances  does not accept the members from this country. I had to
specify  in a profile, that I am in USA. In this letter I shall inform
you  a  little  information myself and if the dialogue with me will be
interesting  to  you,  I shall tell about myself in more detail in the
following  letters. I live in an average part of Russia, in city Kazan
in Tatarstan republic. But if we shall decide to meet, I hope, that it
not  Will  be  a problem for us because I have made a little Travel to
other countries. I was in the several countries of Europe; For example
Turkey,  Italy, Germany. I made these travel as The tourist. Therefore
Peter,  you should not have excitement be relative That we not beside.
I  such  woman,  that if I shall like The person for a meeting I shall
reach  even  on the moon. Besides in Our days is not a problem to make
such  travel.  I not I worry about it and I have necessary feelings to
get acquainted and it is possible To have relations with the person of
other  state.  It  is  very  interesting  -  Other  culture, thinking,
traditions.  For  me  this  new-Probably and you Peter Can learn, that
such  the  Russian woman. I hope that you have not lost interest to me
and will answer me soon. I wait for yours e-mail, my American friend.
     Barbi


Letter 4:

HI  Peter!  I am pleased to receive your reciprocal message. For me it
was pleasant to receive the letter from you today. I am very glad that
you have written to me. Thank for your picture, it me to like. I shall
be To increase and to unpack it. I liked absolutely all your pictures.
That  picture  with the clown really amusing! What small little mouse!
You  have  made  absolutely  correctly,  that have not listened to the
neighbour  and  have let off that little mouse. Peter You e-mail means
for  me,  that  I  too was interesting to you. You Really Peter, see a
picture  of  me  nice?  Peter,  at me is present to you It is a lot of
questions  and  I  would  like to ask them in the messages, I hope you
Will allow to me answers to them - OK? You for me the nice person, And
on this for me it is important to know your opinion on some things. Me
to  not  irritate, that you to be more senior than me. I to search for
the mature man, which would be to wise and scientific life. I like the
men which is more senior than me and can learn me to something in this
short  life.  I to want to connect destiny with the man of such age as
you.  I  think, that you read my structure and could see there, that I
haves  serious  intentions  to get acquainted with the good person for
relations  . I shall try to tell a little about my character. I do not
know  as  it to start, I think, that I very romantic person. I like to
communicate with people, it is pleasant to me Good humour. I very much
appreciate  such  qualities  in  people,  as  fidelity  and honesty. I
believe  in love, and I think it very valuable thing which needs to be
protected.  I  very  much  The jealous person. I adore, when to me pay
compliments  and is ready to listen to them indefinitely. For me it is
necessary,  that around of me there was a cleanliness and the order, I
frequently  am  engaged  cleaning. Also to me to like to prepare for a
meal,  various  tasty  things. It is pleasant to me romantic relations
between  the  man  and  The woman, but probably all women dream to get
acquainted  with  good  The person to have with him beautiful romantic
relations.  But  frequently such things come to an end Very quickly. I
have  no intention to spend myself on such acquaintances. While I have
not  met  In  the  life of such person to which I would decide to give
myself and the life. But me it would be desirable to find such person.
I  think,  that  for  the  woman  the main thing to have in a life not
Career  or  other  success, and strong family and the favourite person
beside  what to care of him. Tell please, you dream to meet what woman
in  the life? Excuse Peter, that I ask you to discuss such frank thing
with The person whom you know couple of days. But it is interesting to
me  to  know  It  about  you.  I  shall  wait  for yours e-mail. Yours
faithfully

                               Barbi.

Letter 5:

Hi ,  I was sad that you do not write me and do not answer on my
letters.  There can be I you than that has offended or you simply play
with me in games? I wait from you of the answer. Yours Barbi.


At that point I had started to ignore her because her letters were ridiculous, not reflecting what I had written. However, things picked up then again..


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2007-07-25, 20:57:50
drod from United States  
J S,

http://www.russian-..ng_fraud/

First posted Nov 2004. Since you have posted no pics, no way to tell if the same.

Check the link, then come back and make your post.

Photos, name, address, phone, email addy, site you met, who made first contact,
first email and money letter w/headers.

Need any help, just make the post, some one here will step up.

good hunting........drod

what goes around comes around
2007-07-26, 02:21:00
anonymous from United States  
From James Seidel to DROD

THE GIRL IS THE SAME ONE

OOOOOOPS

BOY AM I LUCKY

FUNNY HOW SHE WROTE TO ME FIRST THOUGH

AND I WAS REALLY SMITTEN TOO

FOR SEVERAL MONTHS WE TALKED [ YES I PAID AT & T A LOT OF MOOLA
FOR THE PLEASURE OF HEARING SOMEONE SCAM ME ALONG ]

WANTED MONEY FOR ENGLISH LESSONS AND SHE DID NOT REALLY NEED THEM



I HAVE PLENTY OF SO CALLED PERSONAL PHOTOS I COULD SEND IN A SEPERATE EMAIL
YET I AM NOT INTERNET SKILLED AT SENDING THEM ON THIS SYSTEM
ONLY ITS NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE

WELL I SURE FEEL EMBARRASSED BY THIS SCAMMER

THANKS FOR THE LINK AND SHE IS STILL LISTED ON MANY SITES

I MIGHT AS WELL FORGET ABOUT DATING ON THE INTERNET

ALL IT DOES IS BRING OUT THE WORST OF THEM

THEY ARE PRETTY BUT WHAT BOTHERS ME IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN PERSON
AND HOW THEY REALLY ARE INSIDE THEIR HEARTS

FOR THOSE THAT STILL HAVE ONE TOO

THANKS AGAIN FOR THE UPDATE


IT MAKES ME WONDER HOW FOOLISH I WAS TO BELIEVE IN HER SCAMS


JAMES SEIDEL OF CALIFORNIA HAS WAKED UP

THANKS AGAIN
2007-07-26, 02:45:23   (updated: 2007-07-26, 02:56:19)
anonymous from Sweden  
James Seidel from California

I know that IRYNA NOKELAYNEN from ODESSA is a Ukrainian translation/English classes scammer, but there are plenty of real (and cute) Russian women out there (tho most Russian scammers are men). Trust me, I've been to Russia twice in the last 12 months, all the girls I met on the net, one is now my fiancée (still waiting for her residency).

But it pays to learn a few of the many Russian dating scam signs:

- 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls would hardly be that forward. Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian and live in Russia.
- girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star) + conveniently childless.
- photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl)
- most of the pictures old and a little bit faded. Most scam photos have a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes easy to recognise. A serious girl would go to a professional and have a photo set done, and/or borrow a digicam. Russian girls aren't that poor anymore.
- very long rambling, ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation, layout. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
- writes everyday in English (how does she have time if she's working? + most Russians can't speak a word of English)
- doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter)
- falls 'in love' very quickly. Don't let your ego or loneliness pull the wool over your eyes. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows.
- wants money for a 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, even though she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. All of these she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait 10 working days. Without these documents, it's impossible for 'her' to get a Schengen visa. USA is almost as complicated. Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl to just jump on a plane and come and visit you? Get real.
- uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, or a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.

above all, don't send money unless you've met her or you're 100% sure


Be patient and good luck!
2007-07-26, 10:49:41   (updated: 2007-07-26, 11:27:40)
anonymous  
For those unfamiliar with these:

1) Headers are needed for IP trace

2) Procedures for listing Headers are posted in this site for some e-mails. e.g. gmail, outlook, yahoo, and hotmail
2a) If you are using Outlook Web Access, right-click on an empty spot in your message, and select View Source. Copy and Paste to a Wordpad file.

3) This site has many suggestions on Wordpad file maintenance
3a) If you are planning to post to a thread here, consider the Wordpad file name ending for your file 4 digits (padding a leading zero as needed) of the thread number, the last character(s) some sequence like a, b, or 01, 02, indicating your order of posting. (E.g. my file name for this post ends with 0976 followed by a character indicating order of my posts)
3b) If you starting a new thread, give it a temporary name, until your thread is visible to other users. (It's going to take a while). Open your new thread, rename your Wordpad file per above.

4) When posting about a suspect, do not include pictures, or personally identifiable info. Be general, and most veterans here have sharp eyes for sensing a scam in progress and respond. This avoids unwisely harming an innocent person, while keeping your options open.

5) If you find your google search hits the suspect as a scammer, you are now ready to post your updates here.
5a) If your search, and your enqueries here return negative, wait until you receive the money letter. Consider yourself the first victim / would-be victim. Clean out your Wordpad file, copy, paste, post

6) A generous usage of expletives does not add to the search efforts for new users on scammers

7) Consider using scammer in a narrow sense of the word (= money-letter senders(s))

8) It's not useful to fire a gender-based attack on the scammer. Even it is a she, may not even be same as the picture you got. It could be a he, and now too late for the poster to reverse the gender attack. It could actually be an 'it', a computer. It could be a they, an organized gang. Consider using ''she'' ''her'' etc, with surrounding quotes, to clarify your intended target as the scammer, (not necessarily the one on your photos)

9) Finally, target acquisition for your adjectives, invectives, etc. is one thing; Aiming accurately is an altogether different process.

10) Unfortunately, some scammers seem to know this: Not everyone can be the bird, flying high above a full parking lot, and knowing exactly which car is fresh from a wash!
2007-08-09, 12:41:06
anonymous from Netherlands  
My testimony:
In the beginning knowing that i didn't trusted the emails, because this was the second time i received russian emails. But i was interested in the pictures and played my part all along. All though i ask for her phone number to call her. I didn't receive any answer on my questions. I waited until the money part started, i asked again for 'them' phone number to call her but nothing happend. After the last letter it stop sending letters.

http://www.womenrus..tm#photos
'Some more precautions: According a Russian photographer, there are companies in the West that run scam agencies, and make professional shootings in Russia. Models are invited to pose, with 3-5 sets of pictures and videos of each girl done. They use professional make-up and changes of clothing, so pictures look different'



Letter 1

Greetings! Your announcement In a site relation.nl has forced me that
hour to answer you. I do not know, that happens to me, but I really
wish to find out you more close. Even in the first letter to you I
cannot insert phrases which will help you to learn me. Please, do not
reject my letter at once. I hope to see your answer soon.
My e-mail address is tatayana123@gmail.com
Tatyana.


Letter 2

Hello my new Friend! Have good day? I hope, that You have time to send
me some messages that we could it is better to learn about each other.
I shalltell a little about myself; my age of 28 years old and my
birthday on April, 20. I live in small village of Medvedevo, Republic
Mari El. Russia. I was not married and I live in an apartment with my
parents. Some years after terminati on training I worked the lawyer.
To me To like productive leisure, periodically go in for sports for
maintenance of a body. I like to travel and be in different places,
but My work does not allow me to do it frequently. I have many
friends, We some times together spend time, play billiards and tennis,
we have Other entertainment. I send you the picture that you knew my
person. Me very much like different sweet things, such as a pie, cake,
sweet. But frequently I do not permit itself to have it to not bet
hick. Still I love beautiful clothes and different things of light
colours. I like of light tone, such as light-blue, pink, beige. And
what your favourite colour? Please ask things interesting you about me
and inform me some The information on you: what you love an
entertainment? What your character? What You love qualities in women?
Whether You had the wife? I shall answer on your questions and to
inform you it is more about itself in following e-mail! I shall be to
wait for your messages. It will be pleasant for me to see your new
photos and to learn a lot of new about you. Write to me I wait. Your
friend Tatyana.

Letter 3

Hi Glenn. How are you??? At for today again it is raining! Promised
even a thunder-storm! In general this summer very rainy! I love when
the sun more and it is possible to receive beautiful sunburn! What do
you think of it? I very inquisitive! Excuse me if some questions will
be too direct! You can not answer them if will consider their too
personal! Please Tell to me more in detail about the family. Whether
it isa lot of at You relatives? What at you with them of the relation?
As frequently you Gather? In my family very much close relations. I to
you already Informed, that I live with mum and the daddy. We live in a
cosy apartment, where There are three inhabited rooms, and as
kitchen,a balcony and a bathroom. I have a room. I the only child at
the parents. A name my Father Anton, him 58 years old and he Works the
builder. My mother Anzhela, her 49 years old. Now she does not work some
years and Is engaged in housekeeping. We like each other, sometimes We
are chosen for city for an entertainment. In the summer we go on a
beach and on fishing. During the winter period of time we go for a
drive on skates and a ski. This good time for me! In private life I
have emptiness. Last relations at me were the last year. One was The
boyfriend, but I have left him. we did not like each other and had
various interests. Among associates of me of people I cannot all ocate
any body for serious relations. Good men to become it is ever less and
an noyingly in Next time to test disappointment when you think that
has met The suitable person. Likely therefore I also have addressed
inservice acquaintances. Probably here I can find the person who will
be Me to love, appreciate and understand. It is not important for me
his financial situation and work by which he makes. I have specified
in a structure that I search more Advanced age because I think, that
the person which has lived There is enough years, already has
experience and has learned to appreciate women and to address With
them. I shall be ready to give myself all without the rest to such
person and It hink, that the main advantage of the woman is fidelity
and skill To make family happy, without quarrels and conflicts. On it
I I finish the letter. write to me the ideas that I Has told to you. I
wait for your messages. Yours Tatyana.


Letter 4

How you my Wonderful??? I shall cook today pies! With what
stuffing you prefer pies? To me like with mushrooms and the hen more!
Also I love pies with a fish! Our exchange of opinions is interesting
to me and I think, that now I can make some opinion on what your
character. Dear, I send you a new pictures where I and my mum. How to
you Dear, I too would want to see more than your pictures. Dear, I
would like to find out, how you like to spend thefree time. I very
cheerful person also think out Various entertainments for itself and
the friends. To me to like to help them to make life interesting. It
can be different things: Dances, cinema, parties or entertainments on
the nature. But if to speak frankly inthe last these entertainments
give time I have less than pleasure. If requently dream of romantic
evening with the lovely person, it can bea supper or simply walk . I
think, that in it there is a lot of charm. You the romantic person
Dear Whether you think, sometimes, of such things? You like cosy
evenings with the family? I very much love holidays when all family
gathers, behind one table. It is very cosy and comfortable for me. And
how you like to carry out holidays dear? What for you makes a cosiness
and rest? Tell to me please about it. Dear, excuse me for a question:
whether there is at you now any woman? I think, that you are good, as
the man and To like many women. Because at me good taste, and you to
like me. What your private life now, Please tell about it. Probably
you have to me any frank questions? I shall answer them. Write to me
more in detail about the feelings and desires, to me to like to read,
when you tell about yourself, I am ready To listen about it. I wait
for your messages. My embraces. Yours Tatyana.


Letter 5

Hi my dear Glenn! I am glad again to speak with you! By the way,
yesterday I had quite good evening with my friends. Were ached in one
club also there were there some hours. First we had the good supper
and some glasses of champagne, then played balling, also danced.
Impressions have remained good, only when I saw, as some my
girlfriends danced and kissed the men - I had small envy to them. I
thought of you and represented for itself, what you beside. That you
too embrace me and whisper to me on an ear gentle words. And you, when
see around the in love pairs people, - that recollect me? As
frequently you with the friends reach in any bar or club? When you are
in these places girls frequently try to get acquainted with you? To me
very much frequently men approach and try to begin acquaintance, but I
at once I help them to understand, that with me these things to fail.
I frequently I think above your messages and I understand, that you it
is serious concerning me. I too do not look at our dialogue as on an
entertainment, and I write you some very personal words and things, as
to the close person. And I want to tell to you, that I am glad, that
at me is such the person - as you! I wait for your messages and I
think of you. Mine to you gentle Kisses! Yours Tatyana.


Letter 6

Hi my Lovely! I am glad to speak again with you! Thank for
yourse-mail. I am glad Lovely, that in our relations there is a
promotion andwe became more close people. I tell about you mine much
to parents andfriends. They hope, that will sometime get acquainted
with you Lovely. They insist, that I would acquaint you with them, my
parents areespecially per severing. I have told him , that is serious I
treat you Lovely, also that you the good person. You know Lovely, that
parentsalways wish children only good and are pleased, when their
children are happy in all. The daddy loves mine fishing and he now goes
please don an apartment and speaks, that now he has person , which can
beinvited for fishing. I for a long time laughed and have told to
him,that at all I do not know, you like it to make whether or not.
Alsothat he early it is pleased, in fact it is possible to you
notintere stingly. Also know, that he answered? he has told, that in
the summer he will be going for you good fishing tackle also will
learn you to cook present to an uha (soup with fish). And you Lovely,
told to close people about me? What they have opinion? inform me please
it. You have any plans concerning our relations? I think, that for us
willbe very much it is good, if we can carry out some days together.
Itwill be to streng then our relations and will help us to learn
better each other. Probably the THIS month we can meet. For example in
Europe or the other place. Understand me correctly Lovely, I cannot yet
to invite you to itself. I live at the parents and for the present
not enough I know you for this purpose. Between us there were only
we messages and I think, that to us it is better, all over again to
meetin the friend place. I very much would want to be with you alone,
to see you the eyes and a touch to you! Dear so we can make full
opinion on us to learn about many things. Let's be to discuss it Lovely.
I miss also a kiss of you. Yours Tatyana.


Letter 7

How are you my love?
Feelings

As I wake by your side,
My feelings for you I can not hide,
I touch your face in the morning light,
Being with you just feels so right

You make me feel like I'm a queen,
Like being inside an awesome dream,
Although this is real, that I know,
As the love that surrounds us continues to grow

I think of what the future holds...
Marriage, children, us growing old,
And as I lay, with you dear,
I'm just so glad you're mine, you're here.

My dearest Sweet!
I decided to greet you this way today, do you like
it? I think about you every single
day, my Sweet. Every minute, every minute I think about you only, about
the things you told me. I wait for your warm messages all the time
Sweet, I wanted to tell you about one thing and thought pretty a lot
about the way to do it, my Sweet. I realized that I canOt find a place
for myself without your letters. I never felt better before! Your
e-mails are so important for me, they are a part of my life, they are
a source of pleasure in my life, I want to tell you that your
occurrence in my life, Sweet, is the best that has happened to me, your
messages make me feel a great happiness and pleasure, Sweet. I just
want you to know that I am really honest with you, Sweet, and try to
express everything I feel in my heart, Sweet. Also I realized the fact
that I thought about my feelings to you, my Sweet, I have come to
conclusion that we were created for each other, my Sweet. Please hear
me out, ok? The point is that some time ago I realized that mood and
all that I do during the day depends on your letters. I try to
explain A when I receive your letter, it seems to me that I fly up to
the sky I have a burning desire to live!! You know, my life is not
very interesting, from work - to home, from home to work, and again,
and again, day by dayABut now when you appeared in my life, you become
an inseparable part of it. Do you remember, I told you once my
sorrowful love story? So after it I was afraid to fall in love.
Moreover, I have never met a person I could fall in love with, you
know, I told you about Russian men. Now I am not afraid. I it seems to
me I did it when I met you, my dear Sweet!! Now I tell you with
certainty that I can not be without you anymore, my Sweet. Of course I
thought about your possible answer. What will you say on it? Does it
mean anything for you? But it will happen anyway, so I'd like to tell
you about it now. I just wanted to let you know that I fallen in love
with you honey! I love you my dearest Sweet! My Sweet, it happened so
quickly and suddenly, I didn't expect it, my darling, it's so sensual
for me, my Sweet, I canOt be without you Sweet. I LOVE YOU, DARLING! I
am sorry for being so expressive, but I feel like I want to scream at
the top of my voice about it, about how much I love you and care about
you!! My lovely Sweet, of course I could only guess about your answer,
but still, I noticed that you take an interest in me too, and I'm sure
that I'm not mistaken!! I feel it with my heart and it just can not
tell a lie! I do not hesitate any more I'm eager to spend the rest of
my life with you!! And it will be the best years in my life, because
you are the one for me. I am sure we will be the happiest pair in the
whole world!! I truly believe in it with all my heart and I know that
when you believe in something very strong, it will happen one day!! So
I hope that we will be together one day my Sweet!! My darling, my dear
man, my sweet dream, my fairy-tale, in what way else I must name you
to express you my feelings!! So I told you everything about my love to
you, and of course I'd like to know what you think about all this, my
Sweet!! Also, my dear Sweet, I want to ask you a very important question
for me, I think that it will be fairly from my side, my darling. Do
you have or do you write to another woman, my Sweet? It's so important
to me my Sweet, I hope that you will understand me, because I love you
and I don't want you, Sweet, to correspond with another women. I want
to say to you that I don't write any man except you, my Sweet. I don't
want another man, because I love you, Sweet! But moreover I don't want
another woman to steal you from me, my love Sweet!! I say this to you
very seriously, my Sweet! It will be so pity for me if you have or
write another woman, my dear Sweet, and deceive me in our relationship,
please, tell me, Sweet, do you write to another women? We must trust
each other, ok my darling? Of course if God listen to me and we are
together, I will be forced to leave my job, relatives, friends and the
whole former life. Of course, it is not so good, but my love to you is
much more important for me than my job, believe me!! All my warm
kisses, Warm hugs, Your lady and beloved woman, Tatyana.


Letter 8

Hello Lovely! I miss you
so much.... I trust you, my love. I trust you with my heart and my
soul. I trust you like I have never trusted anyone before I really
mean this and I can't explain this. I guess it is some kind of natural
thing when you finally find that perfect partner. These are wonderful
feelings! My sunshine, I know that we miss each other greatly and I
know it must be as hard for you as it is for me. I miss you...I love
you very much. I fall deeper in love with you each day... Have I told
you lately of how proud I am of you? How wonderful it is to have such
a wonderful and unique man love me. You ARE my sunshine!!!!! YOU ARE
THE MOST WONDERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!!!! I hope you don't get
tired of my words to you, I believe I should always tell you sweet
thins and call you sweet names. I will always tell you how wonderful
you are, always..... Honey, I have an anecdote for you again-) A girl
comes home from school excited and tells her mom, 'I know my alphabet
better than anyone else in my class! Is this because I'm blond?'. Her
mom replies, 'yes'. She comes home the next day after school and
exclaims 'I know my numbers from one to ten better than anyone in my
class! Is this because I'm a blond?'. Her mom replies again, ' Yes'.
The girl comes home the next day and says 'I have the biggest breasts
in my class! Is this because I'm blond?'. Her mom explains, 'No, it's
because you're 16 years old!'!!!!!!! OK, By the way I already have
found transport agency which will be engaged in registration of my
passport for travel abroad! Also I should issue the visa! Please write
to me the full home address! You and I are unique people and we should
live in a unique place together. Don't you think so?

Your best friend and lover forever...
Tatyana.


Letter 9

Hello my dear my beloved !!! How are you my sweet?? How has
passed your night?? I so am grateful to destiny that has got
acquainted with such fine the man as you!!! I see as a lot of love and
cares in your letters. For the first time for long time, I feel happy.
Because I have found the man about which always dreamed!!!! Except for
you, any is not necessary to me man in the world. Only you are
necessary to me!!! Only with you, I shall be happy!!!!!! I think that
we are created the friend for the friend. I so love you. Also I see as
strongly you you love me. Also should be together!!! My beloved,
unfortunately, at me not all so is good today. Today in the morning I
went to travel agency. In travel agency to me have explained that the
most simple and fast way to arrive to you, it by means of the tourist
visa. This visa is given for 6 months, and is fast its registration of
only 10 days. It means that we can already be together in 10 days
after I shall begin registration of my documents! To receive this visa
to me it will be necessary to move to Moscow in embassy of your
country. Also that I could arrive to you, it will be necessary for me
to receive the passport for travel abroad. And to pay consular
gathering. That I could receive the visa and all necessary documents
is necessary for me All cost makes 460 EUR (250 EUR - the visa and the
insurance. + 100 EUR- consular gathering. + 110EUR - fast registration
the passport for travel abroad). My dear, to me was so sadly when I
have found out it. In fact I the simple Russian girl, and at me was
not present even little a part of necessary money. I very long cried.
My love, I do not know that to me to make??? I very much wish to meet
you! I would give all that at me is to appear now in your embraces.
But, I do not know where to me to take necessary money???? To me so it
is sad that in our commercial world everyone solve money. I have
written the application on reception of the visa! I yesterday weigh
day tried to borrow money but without result! Please if you can that
transfer me 460 euro! To me need This money by Wednesday!
You Can transfer me of money through western union system as it is the
fastest way! I imagine to myself, that fine day when I arrive to you
at self-summer and you meet me at the airport with a bouquet flowers.
And in the evening we waited a fine supper at candles and the fine
first night filled by love and passion. It would be the happiest day
in my life, in fact this day our new happy life would begin!!!! My
sweet I all heart shall wait from you the answer soon. With love for
ever only yours Tatyana.

P.S. My full data: Name; Tatyana Kuklina.
Address: Sovetskaya 12-39. Mari-El. post code 424000. Russia.









2007-08-09, 12:54:59
anonymous from Netherlands  
My full data: Name; Tatyana Kuklina.
Address: Sovetskaya 12-39. Mari-El. post code 424000. Russia.


Check foto's here
http://www.internet..p?p=24290
http://the-world-in..ailcom-2/
2007-08-11, 07:08:26
anonymous from Samtredia, Georgia  
Hello :)

I've become interested about dating scam after I saw a report on local tv. Something was resembling me situation very much, I've checked my memories and it seems like I personally know one scammer and whole their business. So I seeked internet, found fraudwatchers, and from link to link, come to this topic :)

So I have some information about dating scammers life 'behind the scenes'. If anyone interested, how they act, I can tell you some :)

p.s. Location identification of this site is totally incorrect. There is no internet in 'Samtredia, GE'. So if you're there and want to use Internet, you should use satelite link, which may give you russian/ukrainian/turksh IP, but not georgian one :)
2007-08-11, 12:01:22
anonymous from United States  
We would love to hear what you have! It would be very interesting!
2007-08-11, 15:52:43
anonymous from Georgia  
Ok :) here it is.

Nearly 10 years ago, I was working in a computer company, average company, doing various things, serving customers, etc. etc. Once, A girl (about 20) and her mother (about 45 yrs) come to us, and ordered a computer. You may think - usuall customer. I also thought so, but they also asked us, to install various translation software, mainly russian<>english (because no georgian<>english existed at that time), and asked also to write modern and classical english poetry in electronic format into their computer (as you may know, here we have no laws against software piracy, so everyone is using pirated software, so it was free service for them). A bit strange request, but I did it without any question, generally, everyone in our country follows the principle 'less questions asked - longer life you have'. OK. About 4 monthes passed, we saw them again - purchased web camera (since webcameras were quite expensive that time -remember, it's 1997, we were offering 'buy webcamera and get free technican to install it for you at your home for no extra cost') so I went with them. When I came to their house, I was amazed by number of emails in her inbox (about 300 persons, each one had separate folder), and also, by number of books for english sentences and grammar and so on. I said 'you work as freelance translator?' 'No, I just like to get new friends from overseas and contact with them'. OK, I've installed webcamera, tested it, and back to office - almost forget this case. After about 2 years, I saw them again, mother and daughter, coming crying and holding their computer - HDD has failed. they've asked to restore some data from it, so, they've left computer at our office, and I begin analysis (remeber, it's about 2000 year, no MHDD or easy recovery software yet available, TIRAMITSU takes the lead). They asked for certain excel and word files to be recovered. I recovered almost 80% of them. One of excel files was really interesting, it contained data in format like:

name: email: country: date started: date ended: funds received: and some 'technical' data, like height, eye color, age, etc.

there were about 60 entries in that file, as I remember, and funds were ranging from $50 to $2000 per entry

I thought, that 'maybe girl is practicing in excell, or this is maybe her university work, why should I care' ?

Word files were less interesting, very absurd (by my thoughts) romance letter-like texts. Ok, everything restored, they get PC back and new HDD. I left that company in short time afterwards. So I have no idea what's they doing now or where are.

I'd totally forgot these things, untill I saw a report on TV, than I realised, what I saw in reality. So, to help you, I decided to fire this post, and also wrote some things about scammer girls from Republic of Georgia (Country, not US state).

Things you should consider as warning sign, when chatting with georgian girl:

1. There are very few photo studios capable of doing so called 'model' shots. And their price is quite high, about $200-500 per set (price may be good in US, but here, average salary is about $110, consider this). So if you get professional-quality girl photos - warning bell should ring.

2. Silicone implants also are very uncommon, and in general, georgian girls have smaller breasts and wider hips (look at Jlo's body, nearly same dimensions, but with smaller head and bigger nose). Also, there are very few georgians that are natural blond, they all live in high mountain villages, and it's very unlikely that they'll chat with you due to absence of internet there. So if you're getting a photo of high, busty, blondie girl - it's a scam, forget her.

3. Nudity. ALMOST NO GEORGIAN GIRL WILL POSE NUDE IN FRONT OF A CAMERA. This is also rule to consider. You maybe don't believe, but local edition of playboy, doesn't includes photos of nude local girls, only foreign ones. Also we don't have local porn. This doesn't means locals doesn't love sex :D just it's considered as biggest sin, to record activity. So, if you got a naked photo, it is borrowed from some website or underground porno magasines.

4. 'charges' for visa/etc. As 1st post here mentions, russian girl can't get tourist visa, and same is with georgian. So if she asks you for money - forget her

5. Phone numbers. All georgian numbers begin with 995 and then two digts - area code beware of numbers in range from 40 to 48 after area code, for example 995 99 44 xx xx, these are forwarder or pay-per-minute numbers.

6. If you ever decided to come here and have some time with your passion, avoid going to her hotel/house at any costs. Because she'll be propably virgin (most girls of age 25 are still virgins here, consider this also as a fact), and according to some national traditions (none remembers them generally, but in your case they may push you), who breaks her virginity - is her husband, so you may see crowd of her relatives, seeking for revenge (money) shorlty afterwards. So take her to your hotel. And try not to save on hotel, stay at hillton or marriot.

If I'll remember anything else, I'll wrote here again :)

2007-08-11, 16:54:41
drod from United States  
GE,

Was not my request, but would have. Thanks for the insight.

All your points well taken and logged for future reference.

As for the locator, sometimes it is right on the money and others not. But usually for a reason. As you say, that location must use sat connection, perhaps where you are, goes through Samtredia, thus showing this as your location. Perhaps not.

At any rate, please take note, that the regulars here and other sites know that not all from dating sites are scammers or from a certain part of the world.

For your comfort, here is what we will ask for when someone posts a photo or a letter. As that alone does not show scam, unless photos or letters (word for word) known to be used by scammers.

...............

Name, first and last.
Address
Email address
Phone, if available
First email w/header
Money letter w/header
Photos w/name listed
Site met

Any other info you feel relevant.

This info will be picked up by the web for future searches.

................

Thanks again for the post. Appreciated by all.

good hunting...........drod
2007-08-11, 17:04:25
anonymous from Georgia  
Ok, short comment about location thing. Now it shows: It seems that you are
from Gori, GE (While I'm in Tbilisi, capital).Of course, Gori DO have internet connection, but not with my ISP :). I asked my ISP support, and they told me, that in past, there were plans to cover all cities, and they have own IP range, so according segments were alocated. But plans changed, and these segments never used in other cities. So now these IP's just being used by ADSL users.

And about dating scammers, I don't think that I'll post any pics/whatsoever, because I'm not dating on internet, too old, married and with childrens :). Just if in case someone gets interested about existence of real georgian girl, he can ask me, and I can give my suggestio according to pic, and also can help in veryfing of existence of address. also, you can use http://www.voters.cec.gov.ge/ this site lists all citizens elegible for voting. So it may also help. Just type in name/surname in search...


2007-08-11, 17:13:53
drod from United States  
GE,

Thanks for the link, it will be a help in future searches.

drod
2007-08-11, 17:21:51
anonymous from Georgia  
Very good :)

Ok, now I have to leave, and unfortunatedly, can't too often check this website, so here is my email:

info ( a ) apsni . net

If any scam attempt from georgia, drop me a line and I'll try to help.
2007-08-11, 22:30:04   (updated: 2007-08-11, 22:30:44)
Skeet from United States  
GE,Thank you! That is interesting stuff! Hope you come back and add to it.


What'd ya think D ?
BTW,I asked.


SNT...
2007-08-11, 23:35:27
drod from United States  
good post
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