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Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 5
Hi my Dear Peter. How are you doing, how your mood today? I am glad to
receive from you the letter. Forgive for my absence yesterday. Thank
for your pictures which you have sent me! They very amusing. I think,
that you are beautiful and with a long hairdress. I do not think, that
we can be disappointed in each other if we want to meet. I understand,
that you met women who could disappoint you earlier. Thanks for that
you have told to me about your last relations. I understand, that it
demanded from you some efforts! I appreciate it. I like that you have
not lost love to a life, after that that you had to go through! You
could find in yourselves forces to live further and have not lost
ability to love. Reading your letters, I see, that you love a life in
all its displays. You the gentle, kind and optimistical person. And me
in one thousand times it is more pleasant that you love me! You have
asked me about, whether always I lived to Kazan. You have asked me
concerning my family. Yes at me it is a lot of relatives in Kazan. I
have cousins and sisters who live here. Closest of them is my cousine
who lives near to me. her call Marina. We with her are very similar
against each other. I already sent you a picture, where we together.
In Kazan basically there live relatives on my mum. Relatives on the
daddy live in the city of Volgograd. You heard about this city? During
the second world war this city has been completely destroyed, and then
is anew constructed. And also I have many relatives across all Russia.
For example, I have aunt Klava who lives in the north of Siberia! she
such cheerful woman and yearly arrives therefrom to visit us. It is
very good, that you practise Russian! Perhaps we can soon talk with
each other in Russian!:-) By the way, about your question. I think,
that I can visit you in America! I need some time to be prepared. I to
you have small question. How for a long time you are going to be in
Germany? When you will arrive back? Well, my dear Peter. I need to go
now. I hope will soon receive your answer.
My kisses and embraces.
Hi my Dear Peter. I am glad, that your businesses go well. I wish to
you well to spend time by the sea. By the way, you can send me a
telephone number, on which I can call to you. I shall call to you. I
do not want to deliver of inconveniences to somebody. You can send me
a telephone number of your parents and I shall be and To use the
public telephone and to call to you.
DREAM - THAT YOUR HEART MAKES
And WISHES MAY COME TRUE,
In MY HIGH TEMPERATURE - it IS a lot OF WISHES,
ALL DREAMS I DREAM Of YOU.
DREAM-, WHEN YOUR DREAM
And the WISH In YOUR HEART,
I WISH, THAT THIS DREAM WOULD BE FINISHED
And COMING TRUE BEGAN.
NOW - TIME FOR IMAGINATIONS
FILLED with LOVE And HOPE,
RICH With OPPORTUNITIES
And DREAMING OUTSIDE OF OPPORTUNITIES
FROM MORTAL SUCH AS YOU And I
TIME, HAPPY EVER the AMBASSADOR,
EXPECTATION of OTHER TIME
FROM LIGHT And LAUGHTER
SOMETIME I SHALL GO HAVING UNDERTAKEN FOR HANDS
And NEAR TO YOU
WE SHALL PROVE DESIRE, which HEART MAKES
REALLY MAY COME TRUE.
I continue to dream of you each day. By the way, pass your daddy my
most sincere congratulations! I want, to wish to him strong health and
long years of life!
My kisses and embraces.
Hi my Dear Peter. I hope, that you have well carried out your time.
When you told to me about the girl with whom spent time, I was very
jealous! I have not absolutely understood, that you meant, when spoke
about a photo of me in a computer. I have understood, that you want
that I have sent the photo where I am represented with a computer. I
send you such photo.
My kisses and embraces.
Hi my lovely! It is pleasant for me to read your words. I have come
today to the girlfriend and was glad will receive your letter. I some
days did not visit the girlfriend. I am glad to receive from you
already 3 letters! How has passed your travel? You have well got home.
I am not upset concerning that girl. She and truly learned Russian? It
is very interesting. You and truly learn Russian? Interestingly and
what your successes? What can you write to me in Russian? It is good
idea to speak. I think, that it will be very good. You could tell to
me a pair of phrases in Russian. I am glad to learn , that you are
ready to accept me in the house. Thank, that you trust me , my dear.
Peter, I want to tell to you that in the past the message I wanted to
check, as far as seriously you treat to me . Forgive for this lovely,
but you should understand me. For me was it is very important to know,
whether you will agree to accept me in the the house whether or not.
If you insisted, that we met somewhere in hotel or in the other place,
- that to me should to think, what not you want to play host to me
because you have the wife or or you not it is serious enough to me,
and you want to meet me for an entertainment. It check - was small
precaution. I heard, that many people get acquainted to have only sex
with the new person, though in the structure inform, that have serious
intentions. Now I am sure in you Peter, and I am glad, that you
appeared really that the person whom I want to meet! Loved, I with big
pleasure, I shall carry out at you some days. These days I shall reach
in agency of travel and to receive the information for that , to reach
to you the next month. I shall inform you for detail about it in the
following e-mail. I wait your messages. I of you adore mine dear
Peter! My kisses!!!
Hi my dear! I am glad to your message and thank, that you understand
me . You are, one of those few people Peter, in which I can find
understanding. How has passed your day dear? I hope, that at you all
OK! I have some news to you Peter. Today I had telephone conversation
with agency of travel. They have told, that to receive the visa of the
tourist in your country difficultly, but they, probably can to help me
in it. The agent did not begin to discuss a detail and we have
appointmented tomorrow. Tomorrow I shall meet them and to discuss a
question with the visa. I hope, lovely, that all will be - OK. I have
some excitement concerning all it, but also I have firm intention to
meet you dear! Therefore any difficulties and charges of money, will
not stop me. Write to me, yours messages, dear, give me many forces
and energy. My gentle kisses.
hahaha...scammer's getting desperate if he's using soft porn.
I too am getting scammed i think from a woman in Kazan.
she did send pictures of herself and her asking to send my full address.
Is there a way i can trace the email heading?
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:17:31 -0600
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Kazan.
> Hi Dear. Carl i did not inform you earlier my address because i not
> enough knew you. I live in average area of Russia, in city Kazan. It
> is located in the republic Tatarstan. My dear I shall speak you my
> address My address: The country: Russia. Republic Tatarstan.City of :
> KAZAN. Street 50 LET OKTYABRYA 14 The postal index: 420029 I have
> never been there where you live. To my regret it is far from you, else
> it was not necessary for us much e-mail, to learn each other. We could
> meet, talk, to spend some time together and good learn each other. But
> for us it will be not a fast way. But if we shall decide to meet, I
> hope, that it will be not a problem for us because earlier I travelled
> to other countries. I was in the several countries of Europe; for
> example Finland ...... Poland.... Latvia..... My dear Carl I as to ask
> your full address..? thank you for the beautiful photos In this letter
> I have decided to send you photos of my house. I think, that they will
> like you.On a photo I am at home..... I would like as to see your
> house.... I ask you send me a photo of your house and your photo
> certainly.... I shall wait your photo. I am confident that you are
> able to give tenderness and able to care of women and if we have
> decided to meet i hope i would be surrounded your attention. Well i
> finish my letter now. I wait for your messages. Yours Anneta.
Yes...find the advanced header in one or several of her mails under 'properties'. The originating IP address is usually in the last 'received:from'....then use http://www.ripe.net..perl/whois to trace her IP. (Ripe is an IP tracer)
Or you can copy and post a header here (after deleting your private info) and we can help you.
The advanced header looks like this (one from a spam I got yesterday). In this case, the originating IP is 220.127.116.11 (probably forged):
Received: from ch-mail02.sth.basefarm.net (10.7.4.101) by cpms03.sth.basefarm.net (18.104.22.168)
id 46C019E100B0917A for email@example.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:00:27 +0200
Received: from 71-36-222-154.roch.qwest.net ([22.214.171.124]:1108 helo=localhost)
by ch-mail02.sth.basefarm.net with smtp (Exim 4.66)
for firstname.lastname@example.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:00:24 +0200
From: 'Matti Brooks' <email@example.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:19:36 -0900
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.150
X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 126.96.36.199 (71-36-222-154.roch.qwest.net) incorrectly presented itself as localhost
X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Iga2d-0004W7-9O.
X-Scan-Signature: ch-mail02.sth.basefarm.net 1Iga2d-0004W7-9O 5a0c21c98455329435b9ed9c02114605
X-Spam-Score: 6.4 (++++++)
X-Spam-Report: Scanned by ch-mail02.sth.basefarm.net
pts rule name description
---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------
0.8 DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 Date: is 6 to 12 hours before Received: date
3.5 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
2.0 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address
[188.8.131.52 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net]
Subject: [SPAM] Microsoft Qffice Pro (Vista/XP Edition) 79$, Save 999.95$ 0ff Retai|
Eddie from Sweden
PS...the photo you posted looks pretty scammy, but I don't recognise the girl.
She calls herself Yana....she has no phone and she refuses to say what city she lives in Russian somewhere....she did mention Quays-boat...wherever that is in Russian. But she is hopelessly in love with me and ends hers letters with your wife Yana. Needless to say... she wants to come to America and meet with me and we should create a family together.
Anybody out there seen this picture of this girl before?? Or, another woman using this same picture of herself to show to others??
Another picture of the mysterious YANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eddie from Sweden
anonymous (from USA) 2007-10-17, 17:33:18 (updated: 2007-10-17, 17:41:34)
ahaha...not seen those particular pics before. The girl looks about 13 or 14 at most. But to start with, 80-90% of Russian dating scammers are men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in the pics aren't involved because the scammers steal pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. They use form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as amnay guys as possible at the same time.....you can write any crap in your mails before that and they won't react, they're only interested when they want to know if you've taken the bait. So it's not as if she's 'refusing' to answer your questions, he's just not reading them. Plus the majority of scammers nowadays use proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially when he's suspicious and may not send money, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course. Otherwise it's all guys.
And 'your girl' is clearly a scammer.
To any other newcomers who find this thread, via Google or whatever:
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS AND RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
If several or more of the following criteria apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshtar Ola, Mari-El Republic, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :). They might reply to your mails, but they rarely write first. It's the man who should do the chasing. Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first!
# scammers rarely have children, but most the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did. (except for Moscow career girls)
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). Think with your brain!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes easy to recognise (overuse?). A serious girl who's looking for a partner, would save up and go to a professional to have a studio set done, and/or borrow a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting sleazy pics will only attract cheap guys.
# girl claims not to have a mobile phone. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her when you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? (And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet?) Most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English anyway. And what's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level? + if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account?
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter)
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego or loneliness pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam. If she uses gmail, be suspicious too cos you won't be able to trace the IP. Hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# wants money for a 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, but IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY! She can get a sponsored visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. All of these she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries...the USA and Canada are almost as complicated. Anyway, a normal tourist visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Be realistic.
NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
There are a few scammers that are more patient and professional. There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers. One or two (mostly in the Ukraine) are not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot.
But a ground rule is: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. And if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know, you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to go and get them. Chercher la femme.
anonymous from United Kingdom
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:17:31 -0600
Had exact same mail to yours other pictures she uses...