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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



Comments:

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2007-10-02, 18:42:06   (updated: 2007-10-02, 18:42:53)
anonymous from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Good, OJAS. And there is much at hand! Hit that button on this site. The imbecile posted more comments. Let's get rid of them! D.
2007-10-02, 20:32:31
anonymous from United States  
Visit www.womenrussia.com/blacklist.htm She is listed there as a scammer...
2007-10-02, 20:35:21
OJAS from United States  
Dirk,
I just saw he had been on the German thread as well, they probably know it, but anyway made a request to hit the spam button.

On this thread, this scheijt starts on page 103, so all friends please start with page 103, and let's get rid of the pollution
2007-10-02, 20:54:50
anonymous from Thailand  
Anyone..who knew the Russian girl name Liubow_81
She scammed to my email address for a month, as understand that she lives in Hor, Haborovsk...please let me know!
2007-10-02, 23:37:00
Eddie from Sweden  
sawasdeeka anonymous from thailand!

can't say I remember the name. Can you post a pic please? and maybe a mail, or a full header from one of her mails.

sounds like a scammer though. did she contact you first?
2007-10-03, 00:24:09
anonymous from Thailand  
HI...

I copied and posted her latest email & photo which please check who had ever received the same...thank you very much!

it is me again and I want you to know that you can't imagine how happy I am.
I have a schedule of my flight.you can't imagine how much crazy Moscow is. It is great fear to live here I think so!Our small town is
more friendly . well,about our business, I tasted my blood,such rule for foreign visitors wanting to visit your
country! Thanks God, I am in good health, all of my tests are all right,I only need some vitamins I think it
is the bad foods and long winters problem.I have to eat much more fruits and vegetables.The doctor said!
well,here is all info ,I do hope we will together in a few days! Info from agency!

INFORMATION MY FLIGHT FOR YOU !

Aeroflot
Sheremetyevo (SVO), Moscow, Russian Federation
Terminal 2 19:50
Dubai (DXB), Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Terminal 1 01:10 + 1 day(s)

Emirates
Dubai (DXB), Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Terminal 1 03:15 + 1 day(s)
Bangkok International (BKK), Bangkok, Thailand
Terminal 2 12:25 + 1 day(s)

Price: USD 1330.00+

Honey, I am so glad to see that I am almost near my goal,and our meeting wait for us.
I think I will call you from airport and I will wait for you there so long as you need,I mean if you need any time to arrive in airport.
it is not problem to wait there because I know that it is the end of my trip and I have time to improve my condition(some parfume)after
long jorney.I want you to see me in good shape! I think everything will be all right.Rather I am sure everything will be all right!.
My Dear, they have told in travel office that I have to show tickets when I will visit embassy after tomorrow before my flight.
People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay illegally in your country and I have tickets with returning data.it is
very strong rule. I have some money but my flight from Hor to Moscow costed so much(about 500$)
because so many kilometrs from there to Moscow. I didn't guess that tickets costs so much. and I have to book tickets till in less than 2 days ,
because of my interview. I have not written date of flight because I do not have all money to the ticket.
as soon as I will have all money and I will buy the ticket I shall write to you date of flight.
I will buy the ticket on this flight. May be you could borrow some money?
I am sure I will be able to return it back in a few weeks after my arriving I will earn some money and at
first to return all money to you.
I also have not written this date of the flight because I yet have not bought the ticket,
but if you will borrow to me money I will fly on this flight, in most nearest day,
this flight flies almost each day.
in Agency they have told me that you may send it by Western Union or Money Gramm. It is pretty easy to use.
The guy from the agency explained to me how their system works. It is instant worldwide money transfer system.
All you need is my name and my surname to send me the money. Once you do this ,
I'll be able to pickup the money in any local Western Unuion or Money
Gramm office in Moscow. We need to do it pretty fast, because we have no time till my intervew,
if everything will be all right I will be on this flight!
I have about 460 USdollars yet and
I think I need about 870 US dollars from your side with all travel needs and living
here till my flight!If everything will be all right between us I can stay with you longer than three months,maximum I can stay about 6 months for
first time! We should change only the date of my returning flight. Or I can return earlier if something is wrong!
Here is more info about Western Union or Money Gramm. You find any local Western
Union or Money Gramm agent, go there and send money to my name.
Western Union or Money Gramm will ask you for my full name and address in Moscow where I am staying at. Once you give them all the info they will initiate the transfer.
In just less than 10 minutes I will be able to pick the money up at
any Western Union or Money Gramm agent here in moscow.

You will send me transfer info and MTCN( money transfer control number )
I will get cash. So I will need your full name and your address + the control number of the transfer. (MTCN)
Kiss you many times ,I am tired today,you know it is hard enough to be in foreign city. So many different emotions .
Kiss you many times! Liubow! see you soon!

Ah, silly me. Nearly forgot to give you my full name info and my address.

My address here (the flat i am renting)
Country : Russia, City : Moscow,
Address : Tihaja 17-20, zip 192174
Full Name WSHIWKOWA LIUBOW (right writting in English)

I am sorry to send so dry letter but it seems to me I am like any drunker I have lost my mind and my head works so badly,see you tomorrow. I am
sorry to make so many problems for you I only hope that you will be not disappoined to meet me.


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2007-10-03, 01:08:33
anonymous from Thailand  
Hi Eddie from Sweden,

I sent you the previous letter and passport moment ago which kind check and advise your idea. Firstly I never use any Website for dating but wondered she sent first letter to my private email address since End August this year.

Kind check whether some of you here were receiving the same photo/name etc however almost of messages were written same contents with others, thank you.
2007-10-03, 01:08:38
anonymous from Thailand  
Hi Eddie from Sweden,

I sent you the previous letter and passport moment ago which kind check and advise your idea. Firstly I never use any Website for dating but wondered she sent first letter to my private email address since End August this year.

Kind check whether some of you here were receiving the same photo/name etc however almost of messages were written same contents with others, thank you.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Svetlana Howralewa
Dating scammer Svetlana Howralewa



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2007-10-03, 01:16:06   (updated: 2007-10-03, 01:17:58)
Eddie from Sweden  
sawasdee ka anonymous from Thailand

I can't find the name 'liubov wshiwkowa', but this girl's photo is EVERYWHERE on this website. You can also see that the passport has been photoshopped.

If she's asking you for money, then she's a scammer definitely!!! Russian girls would normally never ask for money, you have to offer it first. And only when you have been in contact for a few months (by phone, webcam etc)

I mean ask yourself this, would a Thai girl travel to meet a strange man in a foreign country....NEVER!...she would expect the man to come and visit her in Thailand.

It's the same in Russia. The normal way to meet a Russian girl is to travel to her city and spend time with her in Russia.

DON'T SEND ANY MONEY!!!....especially not by Western Union. Offer to go and visit her in Russia. Say that it's the normal procedure, see what she says. If she (probably a 'he') says no (because Moscow is dangerous, there are lots of terrorists, it's her dream to come to thailand blablabla) then it's a scam.

If you want confirmation, please post an advanced header from one of her mails (you can find this in mail 'properties'). Then I can trace her IP address for you.
2007-10-03, 02:07:43
anonymous from Thailand  
Hi Eddie,

Her latest message of Lieubiw which asked for money and I replied that I wondered how you planned to make overseas itinerarily trip without any information such cost or other expenses and pocket money and I can help only let you borrow someone in Russia and I can return them thru her at our international airport, or give me phone number at her apartment which she rent in Moscow or phone me with my collecting account at end but still be very silent since then.
2007-10-03, 02:40:15
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from Thailand

You did the best thing!...Anyway, the scammer is not in Moscow, probably he (it's usually a man) is in Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El province, a few hundred miles east of Moscow. It is a city with a lot of scam criminals. He does not want you to phone him because you will see that the phone number is not in Moscow (and you will hear that it is a man speaking)

I don't think you will hear from this person again, but if he writes again...here is a photo that you can send to him!

I hope you are not disappointed.

have a nice day!


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2007-10-03, 02:43:48
anonymous from Thailand  
Hi Eddie...

First Email she sent me from:

Chasity <cujzky@blacking.every1.net>

then

achasity56@outmaildirect.info

then

liubow_081@freemailserve.biz
2007-10-03, 02:44:00
anonymous from Thailand  
Hi Eddie...

First Email she sent me from:

Chasity <cujzky@blacking.every1.net>

then

achasity56@outmaildirect.info

then

liubow_081@freemailserve.biz
2007-10-03, 02:47:35
anonymous from Thailand  
Thank you Eddie
2007-10-03, 02:50:27
Eddie from Sweden  
sawasdee ka poochai ba!

thanks for posting her/his email addresses.....3 different ones? that's crazy.

Now it's best to forget this person. I have to go to work.

Take care.
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