Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
i also receive a letter from girl in Senegal claiming to be a refugee
and she need help.Her Kingsley Oti killed 2004 and she have money
in TRIODOBANK PLC iin Scotland 2,7m.
I think she a scammer here is her photo.
anonymous from United States
Woman, who loves me so much, asked me for money for visa and expenses at Internet Cafe, but to send it to her best friend, man. Allegedly, she is working all day long and cannot receive it. Isn't this scamming plot? She did not have a phone, not even postal address, all I know is her first name. Transparent scamming scheme.
I will not mention her name or post her picture yet, I need to check her out.
anonymous from France
Is that girl a scammer? She contacted me by msn messenger. I wander if he tells the truth or not. Thanks for your so fine database.
Try this out or else she is a real chic hang around get more pics of her there is nothin for you to loose on net but never give away money and form a fake email id. Dont send ur pics too try and find pics on sites such as myspace and facebook will get lot of pics and post them as urs she will never know. If she is gonna fall for you on net she will fall for anyone so why give your true identity.. Give someone else's pic..
Hey keep us posted with more of her raunchy pics she's a hottie ask her whr else has she got piercing plz give us some pics of those..
anonymous from Iceland
Beware of the website www.gofishdating.com
Its incredible how many scammers are there and in fact i think the website is on big scam, i have got dosens of messages and they are all the same and from yoshkar -ola and ghana. here is one message i got and photo of the scammer, she says she is a 47 years old student?????????????
here is a copy of the meaasge i got at morning and mind you that i have never been sign in or regestrated at a website called mixmatchfriends.com
and why would she send my mail to gofishdating if she saw me at this mixmatchfriend.com??? So STUPID !!!!
- here is the message_
Calvary Greeting of love and peace to you in the precious name of our lord Jesus Christ Amen. I came across your profile in mixmatchfriends.com site, and am very moved and touch by your profile, and am interested in getting to know you better okay.
I Am Mary Bronze By name. And am the only child of my parent, i am a contractor by profession, and am God fearing, good caring , intelligent, honest, pasionate, and with lots of human fraternitys, and this are my hubbys, swimming, dancing, singing, football, fishing, reading, shopping, and i also like going to church because i was born and raised up in a commited christain family.
I will like to know more about you and your family background so that i can quickly know how to connect both of us together and from there we can build up our family okay.
Please in replying back to my message, i will like you to include 2 or 3 of your photos along with the response okay.
I will be looking forward in hearing back from you soonest.
From Yours Friend.
_ her profile on Gofishdating.com_
Am Mary Bronze By name. And am the only child of my parent, i am a student by profession, and am God fearing, good caring , intelligent, honest, pasionate, and with lots of human fraternitys, and this are my hubbys, swimming, dancing, singing, football, fishing, reading, shopping, and i also like going to church because i was born and raised up in a commited christain family. reach me mrybronze at y .cum
anonymous from Iceland
here is her info.
Location: Stone mountain, Georgia, United States
Height: 6' 2'' / 185 cm
Eye Color Gray
Body Type Average
Languages Known English
Ethnicity White / Caucasian
Religion Christian - Other
Education Graduate degree
Current Income Level Less Than $24 999
Drinking Behavior Don't Drink
Smoking Behavior Don'ts Smoke
Relationship Status Never Married
Have Children No
Want Children Yes
What you're looking for Marriage
I have seen Mary Bronze show up a couple of times on these scam sites but no person has said anything that would convince me that she is a scammer. I have been in contact with her for a couple of weeks now and she has asked for financial help and I said no but she still keeps in contact. so I'm not sure what to think other than she is in the dating scean and in a situation that she may need some help. Just not sure. She has also sent me a copy of her birth cirtificate, passport and hs given me info on her mother and father. real hard to tell if she is sincere or not but I will not be sending anything.