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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-11-18, 12:25:42
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Hey Guys,

They may not even be women - lol!!!
2007-11-18, 15:41:18
Peter from Germany  
Anon US:
You are right. The woman 'Mary Bronze' at the pic is not scamming you. She doesn't even need a dating-site.
Some mugus had stolen her pictures from a model agency or a fancy magazine.
They never surrender fast.
2007-11-18, 17:04:41
Eddie from Sweden  
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread....PLEASE READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of grief/homework

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is), and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter. They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksa..mers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a ground rule is: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
2007-11-19, 08:19:44
anonymous from United Kingdom  
thanks the tips i used one saying wot adult website did they get it from. then i didnt get one back i think i have barely (i dont know if this is true or not) made it i knew there was somethin amiss.

but i keep these in mind thanks alot
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2007-11-19, 09:56:49
anonymous from Slovenia  
Natalia Olga etc it is a same thing i don´t know what they are wanted:) !!!!!!! here is another pictures of Olga that wrote also to me......
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Dating scammer Tatyana Smirnova from Molodezhnyi, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Kovalewa from Olkha or Novosibirsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia (modified photo)
Letters from dating scammer Maria in Omsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Wera (modified photo)
Dating scammer Olya (modified photo)
Various dating scammers (modified photo)
Dating scammer Yana (modified photo)
Dating scammer Marina from Olha near Irkutsk in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Tregoubova from Moscow or Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 3 (modified photo)
Dating scammer Olga - email is igivylov@yahoo.com (modified photo)
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 3 (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natasha Moskvina from Ulyanovsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Marina from Olha near Irkutsk in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Irina from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Tregoubova from Moscow or Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Uliya Buharina Cheremkhovo from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natasha Moskvina from Ulyanovsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Uliya Buharina Cheremkhovo from Russia (modified photo)
Pictures and info on dating scammer Irina (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Marina from Olha near Irkutsk in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Irina Pirogova from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Irina Pirogova from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Tregoubova from Moscow or Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natasha Moskvina from Ulyanovsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalja Kovaleva from Mogocha near Chita in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Alyona (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia from Russia (modified photo)



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2007-11-19, 09:58:49
anonymous from Slovenia  
AND ANOTHER SLEEPE BEAUTY
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Dating scammer Yulija
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia
Dating scammer Ekaterina Rozhentsova
Dating scammer Natasha Moskvina from Ulyanovsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Kovalewa from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Marina from Olha near Irkutsk in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Valetina (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Sokolova from Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Pictures and info on dating scammer Irina (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia (modified photo)
Pictures and info on dating scammer Irina (modified photo)
Dating scammer Wera (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Tregoubova from Moscow or Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Letters from dating scammer Elana Banykh in Sokolovo in Siberia (modified photo)
Letters from dating scammer Elana Banykh in Sokolovo in Siberia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Elmira Surkova from Volzhsk (modified photo)
Dating scammer Marina from Olha near Irkutsk in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Alyona (modified photo)
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers (modified photo)
Dating scammer Yulija Demanowa from Seversk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Yulija Demanowa from Seversk, Russia (modified photo)
Letters from dating scammer Elana Banykh in Sokolovo in Siberia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Tatyana Smirnova from Molodezhnyi, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Irina from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Irina from Russia (modified photo)
Various dating scammers (modified photo)
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 3 (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalja Kovaleva from Mogocha near Chita in Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Tregoubova from Moscow or Yakutsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natalia Kovalewa from Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Tatyana Smirnova from Molodezhnyi, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Natasha Moskvina from Ulyanovsk, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Tatyana Smirnova from Molodezhnyi, Russia (modified photo)
Dating scammer Galina Cheremkhovo near Irkutzk, Russia (modified photo)



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2007-11-19, 10:38:23
Peter from Germany  
Slovenia,
please add the new email adress!
Use the query box on top of this page to look if it is here already.
Thank you.
2007-11-19, 15:53:09
anonymous from United States  
This lady goes by Elizaveta, does anyone know if she is a scammer?
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Dating scammer Inna



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2007-11-20, 12:13:06
anonymous from United States  
Send all scammers to this please I want to have fun with them......I want to see how far I can go........

So please send all scammers emails to me....

gsd2069@yahoo.com
2007-11-20, 13:11:54
anonymous from United States  
The blond 'Elizaveta' are OLD pix,haven't seen them used in month's!
2007-11-20, 13:59:26
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from United States 2007-11-19, 15:53:09...asking for advice

Whatever you do...PLEASE READ THIS!!
...it will save you a lot of grief/homework

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

if you're not sure whether you're writing to a scammer, check whether several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you). If so, resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops.

If you don't believe me, check this link:
http://www.cheboksa..mers.html

# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star...like the photo you posted)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you NOT visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. A respectable girl would usually want to meet you first before she gallivants off to your country.
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want! On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on dating scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a ground rule is: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
2007-11-20, 15:59:43
IFR from United States  
Be wise before posting here. Some guys are using this site as a dating site My girl was emailed for trip to sweden. she deleted further emails from this guy. Do not post here unless you are sure your girl is a scammer and are finished writing her. Yes I believe some girls are nieve enough to believe they can get a ticket out of Russia. Russia today isnt a tourist haven. Foreigners are being robbed and beaten. I heard the visa rules have been changed again for Americans wishing to do business there...the tendency now is back to communism. Unfortunately criminals promise women in russia a way out and take their money. there is no way out. Back to the 120. dollars a month and a life i certainly wouldnt want.
2007-11-20, 17:54:37   (updated: 2007-11-20, 18:07:51)
anonymous from Portugal  
Please, guys, don't tell me 'my' Irina Nadezhda is a scammer! Please, don't!


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2007-11-20, 18:01:46   (updated: 2007-11-20, 18:08:38)
anonymous from Portugal  
By the way, do you think the last picture and this one relates to the same person?


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2007-11-20, 18:48:16
IFR from United States  
Vika sent 11/19/2007 6:26 PM:
And he ofered me pay my travel to him....Eddie you dog...lol....
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Thanks to Eddie for writing it up.

Please also read Miss Marple's article about recognizing male dating scammers.

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