Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
You are right asking fair questions, also making a general statement. You didn't use disrespectful language ... but I could sense the conversation heading that way. My point with the Canadian was, he did enough homework listing headers - mouse clicks are involved. At the top of the same page is a message starting Newcomers who ... Why no mouse click here, by a fellow Anglophile?
By contrast I'm very sympathetic to e.g. an Australian newbie who clicked but wasn't clear thereafter. From his feedback, I decided to Index the next level of links for newbies to navigate easily through their interests.
Who knows? This Canadian may decide he should do a bit homework that enables him to post responsibly and may either read your post or mine starting ... Newcomers who may not have read - Please click on the Welcome link and make informed posts http://www.delphifa..?p=9#62662
Eddie from Sweden
anonymous from United States 2007-11-26, 23:18:05
Why are you posting her mails?! this sounds like a real girl!
Alora speak Italian .. I can tell me .. ce I 31 annii live in Bucharest with my brother .. I ended jurist prudenta .. I worked in agentia of advertising .. and now I am looking for a job are only novo .. from a time .. I was spozata more ... I love bambinii .. I hope to find a uomoo justo to unna familia .. TO bambinii? Quantii ani you? and where abitii?
PS second sentence seems ''I am 31 year old'' next one something to do with law degree. Next advertsing agency. novo = new? Next to last how old are you? finally, where do you live?
email@example.com Alora we speak in italiano..che I can say of me..ce I have 31 annii dress in Bucharest with worked ended mine fratello..ho jurist prudenta..ho in agentia of publicita..e now I am trying a single job novo..sono from a tempo..non have been spozata ancora..amo bambinii..spero to find a uomoo justo in order to make unna familia..AI bambinii?Quantii ani hai?e where abitii?
PPS not much better
anonymous from Sweden
PIERRE, is it you? these aren't form mails so you confused me.
OJAS...your translator still sucks :D
'So let's speak in Italian.. This I can tell you about me.. I'm 31 years old and I live in Bucharest with my brother.. I'm a law graduate.. I worked in an advertising agency.. And now I'm looking for a new job .. I've been single for a while.. I have never been married.. I love children.. I'm hoping to meet a nice man to make a family.. AI children? how old are you? And where do you live?
Yes Ojas I tried 2 translating places both made no sense . Thanks Eddie yes I believe she/he most be a freelance . D'ont know why wrote to me in Italian ? maybe she has to many on her plate , you also notice she never uses my name ?
I have to be very careful with this one he/she is different . Pierre
AussieAngel from Australia
Ok, so, I'm on the website matchfinder.com.au
and was contacted by a gal, Elena... in regards to my profile on said site. She is from Tambov, Russia.
Hi! Your profile caught my eye and I decided to write you.
If you are interested please reply. I'll wait your answer.
Best wishes, Elena.
Hello again Laney! How are you doing?
Thanks for answering my mail, I am really glad to see your letter.
First of all - I mean your profile from matchfinder.com.au. Or is
there something wrong? Please let me know.
And I am just interested to find new friends in Australia. I was
always wonder about your country and it was really always interesting
for me to find out something new.
Hi again Laney! How are you?
Thanks for writing back again, I am totally glad to see that you
didn't lost your interest in our communication...
I live in Russia, my hometown called Tambov. It is near enough to
Moscow, by the way... at least near for Russia, which is really large
country. My town is about 310000 citizens only and 371 years old. Like
I just mentioned above it is not so far from the capitol but lifestyle
is totally different... like many many other things. I was born here
and never leave it for a long time. But the main reason to love my
city - it is calm and I can feel myself safe here... so I really like
What about the place of your residence? As I noticed already, it is
truly interesting for me! And feel free to ask me any questions! I
will do my best to answyou!
Irina Nadezhda [Knadya7878@rambler.ru] is definitively a dating scammer!
'To me of 24 years and I live in Russia in city under a title Ioshkar Ola.'
anonymous from United States
Hi guys, I received the following from a scammer, first email, so I replied to her with:
Hello ANN, You're a scammer. You could have sent me one of Anne-Angel's nude pictures instead
I've done what someone else has done and written to your government. You'd better get out of there, but it's probably too late. Expect a knock on your door at any moment, like the ones in this newspaper article:
Your government is fed up people like you and your filthy partner-in-crime giving Russians such a bad name worldwide and set up a special website to report your type of scum. I hope you rot in jail.
ПОШЕЛ НА ХУЙ ТУПОЙ УРОД
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2007 5:51 AM
How are you ?
To me of 27 years.
My name Valentina. I from Russia. To be exact and the small city of Cheboksary.
I the lonely girl. I have found to you e-mail on a site www.allpenpals.com.
In Russia at me attitudes with men did not turn out. And because of it I search for second half on the Internet. I very cheerful and sociable girl.
I adore to prepare and I take a great interest in sports.
I very much love fair and kind people.
I have found you and you have very strongly interested me.
I very much wish to learn about you more.
Write on mine
With impatience I shall look forward to hearing from you!!! Valentina
I DON'T BELIEVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After sending he/she/it the previous email, I get the following:
How you? I am glad, that you have written to me the letter, I was very much
There is enough to receive from you answer. First of all, please allow me to
Apologize for a delay of my answer to you. I am happy, that you have
Written to me, that you trust me. Besides I hope, what my E-mail was
So the big surprise for you also, Really?? Possibly you ask me why I
Have not counted Russian as the person??? I shall be very serious, I shall be
Answer your question, in me, the friend was, I loved it very much. But
It has thrown me. It has found other girl. Also I have noticed that it
Loved to drink alcoholic drinks very often, in us many
People drink from Russia. You can know about it?? I do not love when
People and my drink of friends. I do not drink and I do not smoke.
Simply I have not what bad habits!! Allow me to inform about Directly
on more, me 27 years, I was born February 1980, on a sign on the
zodiac I water. And when you were born??? I the white Russian girl. My
religion, I the Christian. I was never married, and I have no
children, I am a unique girl.
I - the Sensitive, kind, thoughtful and easily surprised person. But
In opinion concerning my close friends, I cheerful, clever and
The intellectual, purposeful, sociable person. I would like to inform you
That my city of Cheboksary to be in Russia. Cheboksary it
790 kilometers located approximately from Moscow. Our city very much
Beautiful, I very much love it. In our city - very beautiful streets.
Most of all I wish to speak that my majority of a favourite season in this summer.
I love, when the sun shines in streets when birds sing, it so
The novel. And you love summer?? Also I would like to inform you
About we wash formation. I have studied University. I have finished
University, In 2003 Also I wish to speak you which I have learned
Language when I studied at university, I can speak
On foreign language Without any problems, I think so. But I can assume
It is a lot of mistakes in words, I hope, that you will understand me without any
Problems Really? Please, inform me on it in yours after
Electronic letters, well? Also I would like to inform you, that from the end
University, I have received the diploma of a speciality of the children's doctor.
Now I work in hospital as the children's doctor.
I shall be very glad if you will answer me my letter.
About yours city where - you, alive, I never was in other
The countries, and I shall be it, is glad to know about your country.
Well, allow me to finish mine, Send by e-mail, I hope to see your answer
Soon! I have placed my photo, me hope, that you will find my photo good. Well,
Good, hoping to see yours the message it is fast! Care, yours faithfully,
Your new Russian friend, Valentina!
OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO READ THEM!
anonymous from Germany
I think I am scammed by a russian woman. Did anyone from you receive an email from a russian woman from the email adress firstname.lastname@example.org?
Thanks for your answers
Didi from Germany
Hello Tony from America. I´m quite shure she´s scamming me. Her letters are too romantic, she says her heart is beating faster when reading my emails. A little bit too fast I think. I try to post a picture here.
She didn´t ask me for money. How does the emperor Ming say in Flash Gordon: I like to play with things for a while. And so will I ...