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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



Comments:

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2007-12-14, 15:03:29
Eddie from Sweden  
OJAS...I think he's trying to flog posters.
2007-12-14, 18:06:39
anonymous from United States  
Here is a new one. Elena email is elbat_1980@yanzex. She sent many photos and claimed she was coming to the United States on a 'Work and travel' program. I received a second email and more photos the next day even though I did not respond. She sent photos that were very sexual and asked me not to show them to anyone else. She also asked me not to ask here to sent me pictures of here naked! I guess alot of people who visit this site and have caught on to these scammers have been havong some fun with them. Anyway I answered her letter in Russian and told here I spent time in the Mosocow embassy when I was in the service. Guess what I never heard from her/him agian! I will post some pics so no one may fall prey to this scammer.
Victor
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2007-12-14, 18:07:25
anonymous from United States  
another of Elena
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2007-12-15, 03:24:21   (updated: 2007-12-15, 03:24:46)
Eddie from Sweden  
TONY...I thought that's what I posted already :D

VICTOR...
Эти фотографии не новы, но спасибо за включение их в этом участке. Возможно мог бы быть лучше занять время этого жулика? Если Вы имеете время, пожалуйста пробуйте получить так много писем и фотографий насколько возможно и включить на этом участке?

Наилучшие пожелания.

anyone who would like to translate this coud try using imtranslator.com -- it's the best one on the net, and no.. I have no hidden agenda whatsoever.
2007-12-15, 03:40:24
OJAS from United States  
What the Indian guy is doing is the hypothetical equivalent of imagine ... an American posting the likes of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
Those Bollywood stars need NO SUCH publicity in the WRONG site. In Toronto suburbs and many other pockets around the world, they are household names with teenagers.
2007-12-15, 09:21:57
anonymous from Russian Federation  
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Forget about the myth that russian girls are gentle, honest and beautiful. All of them will try to fool you showing that they a really are. Really they are very very brazen and calculative. Do not waste your time and spoil your live.
2007-12-15, 10:37:05
anonymous from United States  
I received these emails too and immediatley knew it was a scam
however, I am just gonna play along and see if I can get her to send
progressively more racier photo's
free porn !! ah ha ha ha
2007-12-15, 10:38:23
[hidden] from United States  
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Hello Eddie,
I really need to put this entire situation to bed. Although I know this scammer won't be coming on Monday the 17th, I need some information to pass along to my friend. I may be really wrong but I think he may be thinking this person is going to show up!! Everyday he gets a letter and all it says is 'just a couple more days until I'm in your arms,' or something along those lines.
She told him she was coming on a 'Work Visa' I have already looked it up and can't find any infomation regarding such a thing. Could you please post something back to me or write my personal e-mail so I can show my friend AGAIN, in black and white that there is not person at the other end of the letters he has been receiveing.
I guess what I need to share with him (and you are the only person with the knowledge) is that she can't come here, PERIOD. I need to explain that she can't obtain a work visa!! This is really wearing me out I can tell you that. So please, tell me what a work Visa is or if it even exsists over there. Your help regarding this matter is so very important to me and if I can finally put his mind at ease than I've accomplished what I set out to do.
I just hate seeing him think there is any chance whatsoever that this scammer is going to show up here.
So, Eddie or anyone else who is educated in this area, please write me back on here or my personal email address which is posted above and tell me what a Russian girl would have to do to obtain a work visa for the United States. Thats all I need to know.
I thank anyone and everyone who can help me put this to bed.
Once again I appreciate all the information and research that you have done in regards to Sofia at sweetberry@giperion.net.
Sincerely,
Adele
2007-12-15, 11:20:23
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from Russian Federation 2007-12-15, 09:21:57

First of all, your post complete BS. Russian girls are like any other girls anywhere in the world. Some are 'gentle, honest and beautiful', others are 'brazen and calculative' (sic). You obviously have a personal agenda. Please keep your prejudices to yourself.

ADELE...I have written to your address.

2007-12-15, 18:00:10
chris from United States  
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196.207.243.210 the last received one is usually what i use.
2007-12-15, 18:14:53
chris from United States  
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2007-12-16, 03:20:37
Eddie from Sweden  
Tony...see you got help from Chris.

for future reference, the website you need to trace IPs is http://www.ripe.net..erl/whois

As far as I know, there isn't any software ' to discover a person's IP address through their email address'. I would imagine that would be quite illegal. You can only trace their IP if they write you an e-mail, using the header (and they haven't used a proxy server or spoofed IPs), and even then, you can only trace their Internet provider. I dare say that the federal authorities and untold hackers have theses resources, but for our purposes we only need to get an approximate location.
2007-12-16, 03:24:18
OJAS from United States  
The post after the welcome page/ primer has an e-mail section with more details
2007-12-16, 13:32:13
Eddie from Sweden  
Tony...all this info has been posted by OJAS and can be found in the 'welcome page/ primer for newbies' just below this post.

Finding IP address in Gmail

1. Log into your Gmail account with your username and password.
2. Open the mail.
3. To display the email headers,
* Click on the inverted triangle beside Reply. Select Show Original.

4. Look for Received: from followed by the IP address between square brackets [ ].

Received: from [69.138.30.1] by web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com

5. If you find more than one Received: from patterns, select the last one.
6. Trace the IP address of the sender
2007-12-17, 00:16:43
rudiwillemse@yahoo.com from South Africa  
hi ed.
thanx for your help so far.
i use yahoo.
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