Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Give yourself a first name ... Just one consonant and one vowel ... When they use mass mailers like Bat, the macro value (your 2 character name) will leave extra blank spaces in those fields! ... A very useful observation.
thanks OJAS your OZ Mate
for the heads up on file size for gmail and the tips you gave
I have been lucky and discovered or discouraged every scammer so far
heads up on google earth
new scammer contacts are coming from more remote towns with fewer photos or landmarks
but still not impossible to request photo at location unique to town.
like I said I have stopped scammers in their tracks well before they get to asking for money
I haven't got time for endless emails I have real contacts to pursue.
And yes they are out there !!!
As I mentioned before check email header for X-mailer if it is BAT or Voyager version what ever it is more than Likely a scammer.
Ask for photos in specific locations you choose using google earth and you will never hear from them again as they cannot comply they may tell without fall I will send photos but they never do. (without fall is how they spell without fail )
I'm still exchanging emails with the money laundry scammer as I have really pissed them off and I got an email from them without sending one. ha ha :)
I much was dysappointed in you, you very mean and bad person.
I did not think that all so is got.
the real contacts know about the scammers and hate them as much as we do.
as it interferes with their genuine attempts so any thing we can do to help them benefits us both.
In your first email tell them that you are suspicious as you have had attempts to trick you and that you will make requests for them to do things for you to prove their identity and location the scammers hate this and will not respond real contacts will comply.
Real contacts will happily comply with photo requests within reason
don't ask for naked photos until you have a good communication with them and they will send them to you when they are comfortable to do so.
As for the scammers forward the contents of your email junk and trash folder especially the unsolicited scammer emails.
cheers thanks again to OJAS for all your tips and Delphi-FAQ for this site
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Browse >other E-books
you just need a bit torrent to download
Some PDFs are not locked so you can copy and paste the entire PDF into the body of an email
choose wisely as there are a lot that could be harmful to our efforts no networking or security and especially no hacking !!!!
my recommendations are
Ladies and Gentleman I give you Phase 4 for freedom
Phase 4 Open a gmail account use what ever name you like But I reserve the right to use the name The_Messenger
then copy and paste the following message and send it to every scammer email account you have or can get your hands on, use double spacing and the largest font you can all will be revealed in the text that follows
I am the messenger of peace, love and harmony
I will rid you of your greed, lust and desire
I will touch you heart, mind and soul without ever touching your body
I will show you, things you wouldn't believe
I will move you, like you never thought possible
I will make your heart beat to the rhyme of the universe
I will close your mind to the pain and open your heart to love
I will close your heart to the suffering and open your mind to the possibilities
I will set your spirit free to roam the world
I will touch your heart and open it to love
I will touch your mind and open it to the possibilities
I will touch your soul and bring peace and harmony within
I will hypnotize you I will mesmerize you
I will fill you with dread and fear
While I format your drives
For I am the messenger
The destroyer of your world
For chaos rules the universe
And it has ruled against you
This is just the beginning
The Night Mare is Almost Upon you
Heed the warning
Pack you bags and go
For I am the messenger
And I have spread the word
For I am the messenger
The destroyer of your world
feel free to edit but I will be posting as is to all my scammer emails that I haven't deleted yet
the best defense is a good offense
If a scammer asks for your cell phone, possible answers
1) Your dog ate it
2) You dropped in water while fishing
Later give them the 809 number already posted elsewhere on this site
Add to Survey (Immediate response mail to the money letter)
I would like to tell to you more about myself, about the hobby, about favourite films and music.
I very much like to swimming. Every Sunday together with the friends I go to pool. On the days off and on holidays I like to pass with the friend on streets or to go in Any cafe to sit behind a cup of strong coffee. I like, as any man to go shopping. As I like to walk along the street.
I like to listen to classical music. Me similar Bah, Mozart. As it is pleasant to me pop, simply I adore a jazz. I like to include in the evenings music and to think of what or. I like to listen the foreign musical executors. I like to listen ' Bon Jovi ',' U2 ',' Scorpions','Elton John '. What is your favorite Song?
I like music films. I like action films like war films. Also adventure stories like Treasure Island about pirates on the high seas. I like comedy films as well where there is very funny comedian from England or America. I like Clint Eastwood in Kelly's Heroes. A funny film based in the war. I like true stories about life and its tragedies. Telly Savalas, Marilyn Monroe, Gene Wilder, Mel Gibson etc
hi just an up date about this elena from saransk , sha aked for money for visa etc , even though i said i would fly to see her but it was like she never read what i wrote ! i am glad i found this site before i got in deep! i done as was said led her on a bit asked for addrees and phone number but nothing ! so here she is her last email and mty response , thanks for the advice guys .Options New New Reply
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From: volosela (email@example.com)
Sent:23 April 2008 21:32:24
To: Dave (firstname.lastname@example.org)
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Hi my honey David!!!How are you?My angel, I as am very happy to that we be fast we can together. Lovely, you are for me the most special the man and nobody is necessary for me only you! You very much like me as the person, I very much like your letters, reading I understand them, that you the best the man! All your dreams and ideas concerning our meeting very much like me, and I shall hope that we shall carry out it very soon. And I shall use the best efforts for this purpose, I hope, what you too? I very much want to be near to you, to see your fine eyes, to feel a touch of your lips. Your letters, deliver to me huge pleasure!!! I shall be very happy, to spend with you time together, I think, that it will be the best time in our life. Yesterday I have told to my mum that you want that we have met. She was very glad to this, at all not looking that I shall leave far to you. In fact it is really very sad, we should leave, but she understands, that I go to mine loved to the man, and she wants, that I was happy. Lovely, today I swept an opportunity to go in travel agency. In travel agency to me have told, that will make out to me all documents. And I think, that it will be better to make all there, in fact it is their work and they will make all quickly and reliably. David, I should receive the visa, the insurance, the passport for travel abroad. As I should make medical inspection. The tourist agent, has told to me, that all these documents together with services of this travel agency will cost to me of 310 pounds.My angel, for this money, travel agency will make for me: the visa, the insurance, the passport, medical inspection. Lovely, unfortunately, I do not have such money and I cannot pay for my documents independently. My lovely, you will be, is annoyed about me if I shall ask you to help me with it? Loved, I really think that, our first meeting should be in your country. I know about that that in your country there are many beautiful and romantic places where we can carry out very well àðåìÿ together. I shall arrive to you and after a while we together can fly to Russia where I shall introduce you to all my relatives and friends. Lovely if I shall arrive to you it will be the biggest and fine gift which you can make for me. I very much miss on you!I with impatience shall wait for your new letter, I hope, that it will come to me already soon. I want to send you my hot kiss. KisssssPlease, have good day, Elena!