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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-09-02, 11:30:23
anonymous from United States  
I got this one just the other day. Said I was the only one who wrote back and the letter she wrote I found on the internet. Said she works for a gas company, starting with a 'G' (dont know how to spell the russian name). She included three pics and they were very attractive but I know it is a scam.


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2006-09-02, 12:14:02
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Well, looks like this Natalia (fullname of Natalia Chourbakowa given to me) from the same Lenina street, born Christmas day 1980 has many perfect men in her life and trying the same with me too. Saying that she arrived in Moscow today and went to agency for papers but not ready until tomorrow. Although, I did initially fall for this scam but started asking myself questions when she would not answer direct and personal questions I put to her. How can someone live in Molodezhnyi and only have 4 digital phonelines and not be able to give out a phone number so I could verify this individual. So, I started to do some investigations of my own and by looking at this site. Natalia has many perfect man in her life (to use her wording). I know a money request will probably be the next letter I receive going by other scams but I'm going to try some reverse psychology and see where it ends...

By the way, I have attached this pic she sent to me. I already have some that are shown on this site but here is a very nice picture of this Natalia. If only she was for real, there'd be a few sleepless nights :o))

Regards,

Mr R. UK scam recipient
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2006-09-02, 16:23:06
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Hi there - I'm so grateful for this site! I've just had an email from irinaloves which is absolutely identical to the one posted above at 2006-08-17, 01:25:50. I did a search for GAZTEHSERVISE on Google which led to this website, and the two photos she sent me are already posted on here. Needless to say I won't be following up! Many thanks all.

UK scam recipient
2006-09-02, 21:34:46
anonymous from United States  
has anyone seen this one?


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2006-09-02, 21:39:25
anonymous from United States  
her name is faniyazig
2006-09-03, 07:11:45
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Well, as I said in my message (4 above this message) regarding Natalia Chourbakowa and that I was going to try some reverse psychology. Since sending my latest letter to her, I have had no response, so it looks like my little reverse planning is working.

This is what I wrote in my letter to her...

<start>

My dear Natalia,

Hope everything is alright with you, as I have not heard from you in a short
time.

Did you go to travel agency and get your documents?

I would imagine that the long flight to Moscow was quite expensive and
probably more than you expected.

If you need any help with money to pay for your flight tickets, please ask
me and I can send you some. Just let me know your nearest Western Union and
I will wire some to help you.

If you can give me a phone number there in Moscow, I will call you and speak
with you so we can finalise things. Like, when you are coming and where I
can pick you up. Besides, it would be nice to hear your voice.

Hope you write soon. Missing you.

Love & kisses from England.

<end>

That is what I sent and no replies as yet. If anyone would like to copy the above letter to use for themselves, please feel free to do so and good luck in getting rid of these mind game playing women.

Incidentally, I have attached another picture of this Natalia that she sent me, just to see if a link appears above this picture to indicate that it has been used before.

Regards,

Mr R. UK scam recipient using reverse psychology to outwit the bint
2006-09-03, 22:10:04
eagl933@yahoo.com from United States  
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The girl pictured in the post dated 2006-09-02, 21:39:25 I have been in correspondense with for about 2 weeks. I have the exact same picture. She claims to be Irina Kochergina she has written me the exact same letter posted on your site 2006-08-18, 02:18:07. I found your site by doing a google search on the name 'GAZTEHSERVISE' the company she claims to work for. She is very good and very cleaver. I have not told her that she has been exposed yet. I think I will have some fun first. I have many different pictures of her. I am sending you another picture of her for your site. I also found another girl who contacted me on your site. 2006-08-24, 14:12:42 except she claims to be 'Sevalana'.Contack me if you would like to know more.


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2006-09-03, 22:19:18
anonymous from United States  
here is anoter picture of so called faniya


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2006-09-04, 11:25:51
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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Hi mrs C,
it's me from Manchester again,I had a thought about checking 'maria sycheva's'Email
adress again,it's'sychevamy@yahhoo.co.uk'Can she be from here in England.I am not that well up in computers to check it,but can someone have an English Email address
and operate this scam from another country?I am going to attach a few more pictures,
On one of them she has a Nike sweatshirt on,on another,there is a car in the background
and what looks like an English road sign[no through road]The countryside looks very English too,[can you figuire out what make of car it is?]I spend a lot of time in the countryside shooting and fishing,there are vast differences in the scenery here,I personally dont think the Russian terrain could be that similar.
She has eventually asked me for money,£500,I am more likely to show my arse in Lewis's window than give it to her,I am stretching the cresendo to the limit,testing her 'moral Fibre'when she [or he] falls it wont be without full Knowledge
of what I think,it's tricky,but I find the mind games very satisfying.Here are the latest pics.
2006-09-04, 11:26:29
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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Hi mrs C,
it's me from Manchester again,I had a thought about checking 'maria sycheva's'Email
adress again,it's'sychevamy@yahhoo.co.uk'Can she be from here in England.I am not that well up in computers to check it,but can someone have an English Email address
and operate this scam from another country?I am going to attach a few more pictures,
On one of them she has a Nike sweatshirt on,on another,there is a car in the background
and what looks like an English road sign[no through road]The countryside looks very English too,[can you figuire out what make of car it is?]I spend a lot of time in the countryside shooting and fishing,there are vast differences in the scenery here,I personally dont think the Russian terrain could be that similar.
She has eventually asked me for money,£500,I am more likely to show my arse in Lewis's window than give it to her,I am stretching the cresendo to the limit,testing her 'moral Fibre'when she [or he] falls it wont be without full Knowledge
of what I think,it's tricky,but I find the mind games very satisfying.Here are the latest pics.
2006-09-04, 11:28:37
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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Hi mrs C,
it's me from Manchester again,I had a thought about checking 'maria sycheva's'Email
adress again,it's'sychevamy@yahhoo.co.uk'Can she be from here in England.I am not that well up in computers to check it,but can someone have an English Email address
and operate this scam from another country?I am going to attach a few more pictures,
On one of them she has a Nike sweatshirt on,on another,there is a car in the background
and what looks like an English road sign[no through road]The countryside looks very English too,[can you figuire out what make of car it is?]I spend a lot of time in the countryside shooting and fishing,there are vast differences in the scenery here,I personally dont think the Russian terrain could be that similar.
She has eventually asked me for money,£500,I am more likely to show my arse in Lewis's window than give it to her,I am stretching the cresendo to the limit,testing her 'moral Fibre'when she [or he] falls it wont be without full Knowledge
of what I think,it's tricky,but I find the mind games very satisfying.Here are the latest pics.


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2006-09-04, 11:32:25
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Maria again


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2006-09-04, 11:37:20
anonymous from United Kingdom  
And Maria yet again


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2006-09-04, 11:59:55
sand445@attglobal.net from United States  
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To all of us who are asking, Is she a scammer?, I propose the following thoughts. Over the course of the past year, I have corresponded with more than two dozen Russian women. After the first, Elena Kuklina, turned out to be a scammer, I did not take the others seriously. All of them have turned out to be scammers, even those that did not fit the pattern. By this I mean things such that, unlike obvious scammers, they did seem to read my letters, they did answer questions, etc. Most scammers will not answer questions and do not read your letters. To prove this to myself several times, after corresponding for a while, I inserted into my letters the Declaration of Independence, the Gettysburg Address, and other public quotes. In each case, the woman responded like I had just written her a passionate love letter. Once I repeatedly asked her, Stop writing to me, and in each case, simply she wrote like she loved my letters. I have come to the conclusion that the Russian woman is a scammer if any of the following is true:

- the woman contacts you (outside of a formal agency), especially if she does so through a public dating service like Cupid or Yahoo personals;
- she asks you to correspond to her personal email address;
- she says she is from some city like San Diego or Schenectady but is really from a Russian city like Kazan;
- she will not give you her address;
- the address she gives you is a phony, like Lenina Street;
- she does not want you to visit her and insists she has to visit you;
- she falls in love in any short period of time;
- etc.

If she asks you for money to travel, then she is (in my view) absolutely a scammer because a true Russian woman would not do that. They have more pride and dignity than that. I have corresponded with a dozen women through an agency (which I paid to join) and they all gave me their address before I asked for it; not one has ever asked me for money; and when I sent them a gift, such as flowers, I requested and got a picture of the same woman. I think that it is a mistake to think that this beautiful young woman who contacted me and writes me these wonderful love letters (in broken English) is really in love with me -- after two weeks. Correspond with them if you want, but it is more for entertainment value than romantic value. I've been following this (very helpful) website for almost a year now, and it is the same pattern over and over and over again. The number of happy endings for those writing on this and similar websites, I could count on my dick. There are some to be sure, but they are the real rarity.

In addition, consider that in reality you are probably not corresponding with the woman in the pictures but with a man (who has hacked the woman's pictures), or some old couple (again who have hacked the pictures), or some group who bulk mails, or some young kid who is computer savy and has figured out how to make an easy buck and have a good laugh at the same time. Even if you ask for a picture, saying something like I Love You Sandy, and she sends it, it is most likely a pre-made picture with the words overlaid on the picture. It takes about 30 seconds with PowerPoint or Adobe to achieve this.

If you want a real Russian woman, my advice is to pay to join a legitimate Russian dating or marriage agency where you will meet real, dignified Russian women, and all this frustration and uncertainty will go away.

As the saying goes, this is my story and I'm stickin' to it.
2006-09-04, 13:00:12
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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Do you think that this one might help her to get the hint?
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