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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-05-14, 15:49:17
anonymous from United States  
she asked for help with visa I explained why i could not send it( cause of these web sites telling me not to) I thank you all for your advice, I have her address and she has mine .I have not tried to send her anything yet.I have asked for a phone no#said she doesn't have one and she asked her acquaintances if she could use there phone they didn't want her to make international calls. this is my last letter so far. {Sunshine Chuck,
I have not enough time. Therefore I shall write
the most important.
I want to meet with you so much, to see you at last.
I will come to you for about 10 or 15 days. Please,
understand that I don’t have a goal to get married.
I want to see if we really can be together.
I have started the process of getting visa. I will
pay for it. And as soon as I get visa, I will come
to you, if you don’t mind and if you want to see me.
In any way, it depends on you, of course.
I will come at any time which is convenient to you.
Olga. I have hope but will not send money she knows this I have never lied to this women


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2006-05-14, 18:21:45
anonymous from United States  
Chuck save your time and money
she is a fake

look under
Irina Korotkova (Kemerovo, Siberia, Russia
http://www.womenrus..ge414.htm

Look ike your letter???????????

Sunshine Gino, I have not enough time. Therefore I shall write the most important. I want to meet with you so much, to see you at last. I will come to you for about 10 or 15 days. Please, understand that I don’t have a goal to get married. I want to see if we really can be together. I have started the process of getting visa. I will pay for it. And as soon as I get visa, I will come to you, if you don’t mind and if you want to see me. In any way, it depends on you, of course. I will come at any time which is convenient to you. Irina.

2006-05-14, 19:37:48
anonymous from United States  
word for word execpt the name. I was on that site only looking for pictures of her and didn't read the letters,it's nice to know there are people out there like you to help us open our eyes,who knows maybe one day we can repay the favor. I like the new picture better,I think I'll keep this going the more time i use of hers the more time she doesn't have to do this to others.she said the scanner at the internet cafe is broken we'll see about that ,see if I can get some more pictures,keep you all posted chuck
2006-05-14, 20:05:35
anonymous from United States  
and thanks a million
2006-05-14, 20:44:46
sand445@attglobal.net from United States  
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You have at least a few things in your and her favor. She does not want money for her visa. Good. She will come on her own ticket. Good. You have her address. I presume you mean mailing address. Good. Well, why not mail something to her? Put something in the letter that she has to show you or do for you or acknowledge to you. Maybe just ask her to acknowledge receipt of the letter in her next email. Don't let her know it is coming. Can you get Return Receipt Requested from Russia. However, to the previous commenters comment above, it would be very easy to superimpose the words to you on top of a blank page. To me, the letters look like they were superimposed on top of the picture. They do not follow the rippled contour of the paper. So it kind of looks to me like it is a scam, especially if someone got exactly the same picture, with different words. Then it is definite it is a scam. If she needs money for a ticket, send her a non-transferable ticket that only you can refund. By the way, many of these girls do not have phones. If you've done all these things and there is nothing strong against it, they maybe it is real. but if someone else got this same picture with different words, then the words are an overlay and the whole thing is a scam.
2006-05-14, 20:45:16
anonymous from United States  
Your welcome
Chuck
Your welcome. I'm glad I can help people from getting scammed by these people

All I did was Cut and paist some of her letter to Google and
put the word scammer in front of it .
Most of them use differnt names and pics
but the letters are mostly the same

Hay have some fun with her and send her the trave Fry contract from above 2006-05-10

Mr. C
2006-05-14, 21:35:06
anonymous from United States  
Maybe all you guys should chip in and rent a private plaine
go to russia and tour all the internet Cafe's

All of them are full of sexy lonely woman doctors,dentest,teachers,Lawyers..(Ever notice none of these girls have jobs like cleaning offices or casher at russian k-martsky?)

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel!!

and no-one can afford a car, but one or both parents got killed in a car accident.

Also thay say all russian men are so bad and drunks..But thair father was a great man.

Just some things that make me wonder?

Mrs.C

2006-05-15, 09:06:20
mickeymousetwo@hotmail.com from Canada  
NATALIANATALIANATALIA
WILL THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAS JUST STARTED TALKING TO A NATALIA PLEASE CONTACT ME AT THE ADDRESS ABOVE.I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT HER ADDRESS IS OR A PARTIAL ADDRESS TO SEE IF IT IS THE SAME NATALIA THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO FOR THE LAST YEAR .DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES ?THAT WOULD CONFIRM IT IMMEDIATELY, WELL MAYBE NOT TOTALLY.I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR WOMAN , BUT ONLY INTERESTED IN SAVING YOU FROM GETTING SCAMMED .
I HAVE TRIED THINGS LIKE SENDING HER AN INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDER IN HER NAME AND SHE CAME BACK SAYING THAT SHE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT ,INTERESTING HUH?
BEWARE OF ANYONE OF THEM ASKING YOU TO SEND MONEY THROUGH ' WESTERN UNION '. APPARENTLY THERE ARE MANY FAKE PASSPORTS GOING AROUND AND IT TAKES NOTHING FOR THEM TO GET YOUR CASH AND DISAPPEAR .MEANWHILE , YOU HAVE A FAKE NAME THAT NOBODY CAN TRACE AND YOUR MONEY IS GONE .PLEASE , JUST BE CAREFUL.
HOPE TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU SOON.
IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER , THEN MAYBE WE CAN SAVE A FEW OF US FROM PARTING WITH OUR MONEY NEEDLESSLY.WHICH I'M SURE THAT WE ALL WORK FAR TO HARD FOR TO JUST GIVE IT AWAY.
2006-05-15, 09:14:30
MICKEYMOUSETWO@HOTMAIL.COM from Canada  
PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF A VISA WITH A PICTURE OR KNOW OF A PLACE THAT CAN TELL ME WHETHER THE VISA PICTURES THAT I HAVE RECEIVED ARE REAL OR FAKE .I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT A REAL VISA LOOKS LIKE AND COMPARE IT WITH THE PICTURES OF ONES THAT I HAVE BEEN SENT.
THANKS.
2006-05-15, 16:11:05
anonymous from United States  
Mickeymouse

How To Check a USA Visa


The U.S. Embassy in Moscow states clearly that all new Visas issued have a copy of the Lincoln Memorial in the background, not the EAGLE as shown on most scammers Visas.

But, in all cases, men should check with the U.S. Embassy in Moscow to
verify that a Visa is legitimate, even if they have the Lincoln Memorial in
the background.

Check with the U.S. Embassy in Moscow's website at:
http://moscow.usembassy.gov/

REMEMBER:
ALWAYS Email to the Embassy to confirm that the visa is legitimate!


one way to check her visa
Mrs. C
2006-05-16, 18:37:11
anonymous from United States  
the hi chuck one I like the last pic the best , now she says she has an interview ,aw here's the letter (My sweetheart Chuck!!!!
I have very-very good news for both of us. I’ve got a package
from the Embassy with the letter of invitation. They have
written me a day and time when I should come to the interview.
As soon as I pass it, I will get my passport with the visa.
It is great!!!
I am so happy and nervous at the same time. I hope everything
will go well and there will be no any difficulties and I will
get my visa without any problems.
As soon as I have my visa, I will buy tickets and then will
take a plane coming to you. But I really need to know the name
of the airport. Please, write me as soon as possible. I need
to know it by all means.
Are you happy?
I am the happiest person at the moment. Though I am a little
scared of the interview. But I am sure everything will be just fine.
I am leaving for Moscow tomorrow. Wish me good luck, darling.
Soon our waiting will be over. I think that we both deserve it.
I will inform you as soon as I know anything myself.
I love you very much and miss you badly.
But very soon we will be together and it is the most important
thing. It gives me forces to fight. And I will do all the best
for our happiness.
Love you.
Olga. whats kinda got to me is she used to leave something in the subject line now there is (none) does she have not time to put it in? hey I'm not that good lookin to have her anyways ,but she did send send me some nude pics
2006-05-16, 20:11:46
Raven_Ghostwolf from United States  
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I'm glad I found this site on a google search I almost wasn't suprised to find Elena and Maria here 2 of the 6 odd pcitures she sent me. Had a feeling it wasn't right!! She was last sighted cruising online bootie call!


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2006-05-17, 04:57:47
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Girl from Kazan
Nicks: Katya, Ekaterina, sibir, Elena Voronina

E-mail: sibir@nm.ru, lovelyone777@yandex.ru

http://www.romances..lbum=1135

IP address: 217.107.236.238

Mari El profile, but says she is from 'Kazan'.

sibir@nm.ru, this e-mail address actually belongs to the guy, called 'Zhyk'.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 1
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 5
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 5



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2006-05-17, 18:38:12
anonymous from Canada  
thanks for the email about the girl from kazan, havent heard from in a week..
maybe and hopefully the scammers know they can be found...
maybe we should make a deal with western union and have them bounce a few
2006-05-22, 23:16:26
anonymous from United States  
Maybe a way to get even with these girls is to turn them into there goverment for not paying the taxes on all the profits from the scams thay are running.


this is a quote something I found on a website
www.russianmeetingplace.com/ russian_women/Sca...

I wish to tell you that a lot of women who really are thinking about a person and his inner beauty will tell you not to send a lot of money, because first of all, they have to pay taxes on what you send them through Western Union or through a bank. In my past communication with Khashyar before we were married, I told him all the time not to send me money. But, he nonetheless tried to help me and sent it to me. Do you know about the government's tax rules, for example, in Belarus? When you send $100, she has to go to the tax office and pay the Belarusian government 15% to 25% of what she has received. It depends how often you send money and the amount that you sent. The most unpleasant thing that you may never fortunately experience is how often the government will ask your Russian girlfriend or fiancé to come and pay all of the tax money that she owes, because every month the rules change and it’s a very big mess in the tax office. I know this from my own personal experience.
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