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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-06-29, 13:06:42
anonymous from United Kingdom  
I have 25 more but that will do!
2008-06-30, 08:17:09
anonymous from Sheffield, United Kingdom  
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'Ekaterina' is all over the net with pictures on this site and several other scammer sites. I even came across a profile for her on a Saint Petersburg based dating site called 'ladies7dates'. I reported this but her profile remains active. So, either this is the real lady and her pictures have been stolen - no, I don't buy that at all - or this site is full of scammers. I actually think the site itself is a scam as does a friend of mine in Moscow. Using the site is expensive, and contacting ladies directly impossible. It is their 'policy' to charge male clients for pre-arranged phone conversations, intercept, translate and edit your messages to the ladies, removing all contact details, and also removing ladies contact information from their responses. I have used several 'dating' sites, Elena's Models and Harmony are both pretty good, but there are scammers cropping up on them too. When you report the scammers to EM, they don't act immediately, whereas at Harmony the profiles are suspended straight away. I have heard bad things about EM before, but my only complaint is their failure to act immediately you report a scammer. Thye seem to want a mountain of evidence or complaints before they act. The picture of 'Ekaterina' appeared in an unsolicited email I received last week. Same old scammerlish crap, so I won't bother with the letter or the picture as it's already on here. We have to stop the gullible from sending cash to people they don't know and getting ripped off. I use EM for one-off contacts @ $8, and find that works best for me. I have exchanged letters with some really pleasant women, but as yet, not found anyone that knocked me off my feet or made me think 'This is the one'.
My Russian friend also gave me a valuable piece of advice. No Russian girl will be interested in a man twice her age, they tend to like men to make the first move. They prefer men to visit them, and cannot get visa or passports to America. Too difficult without sponsorship. Spread the word and stop the rot. Glamorous ladies falling in love with Joe Ordinary long distance after three or four letters is rubbish. So, that's me done. Regards to Eddie and Drod.
2008-06-30, 09:35:30
OJAS from United States  
2008-06-30, 14:10:02
anonymous from Netherlands  
Is sombody know this girl?
She said she is Kseniya Nikolaeva,30 years old,
from cheboksary,Russia
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2008-06-30, 14:10:42
anonymous from Netherlands  

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Dating scammer Olga Dobrynina
Dating scammer ksenia



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2008-06-30, 14:11:16
anonymous from Netherlands  

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Dating scammer Olga Dobrynina
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2008-06-30, 14:11:40
anonymous from Netherlands  
2008-06-30, 14:12:05
anonymous from Netherlands  

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Dating scammer Olga Dobrynina
Dating scammer ksenia



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2008-06-30, 14:12:24
anonymous from Netherlands  

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Dating scammer Olga Dobrynina
Dating scammer ksenia



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2008-06-30, 14:12:41
anonymous from Netherlands  

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Dating scammer Olga Dobrynina
Dating scammer ksenia



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2008-06-30, 18:32:13   (updated: 2008-06-30, 18:34:30)
anonymous from United States  
Someone claiming to have gotten my name here is trying to contact me. The address they give is: joram_laban2@yahoo.com
I am just wondering if scammers are using this site to make contacts.
2008-06-30, 18:50:58
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon Netherlands,

Just click on the links above the pictures you posted.

Anon USA,

http://delphifaq.co..#comments

2008-06-30, 19:35:12
anonymous from Canada  
2008-07-01, 12:34:09
Tony from United States  
008-06-30, 18:32:13 (updated: 2008-06-30, 18:34:30)
anonymous from United State

They probably are. I have received the same emails.
2008-07-01, 13:10:17
OJAS from United States  
Scammers using this site to make contacts? ... Tells something about their intelligence or desperation ... Or just plain lazy, do not want to create new profiles and find new pix.
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