Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
I have had contact with Ekaterina Porhalo for 6 months. I went to visit her
in Khabarovsk, but had a misshap with the plane. I am not certain if I
managed to tell her in time. Anyway, she did not show at the airport.
So I decided to go to her adress, Lenin Prospectus 11-32. The taxidriver
hadn`t heard of it. Obviously, I never met her. Now, back home, she complains
that it was a misunderstanding. Anyone who has experienced something similar?
One more thing. The style of her letters. No matter what I wrote to her she was
always write some similar things(even if I told her i have cancer just to test her).
Here are some examples;
'remarkable' 'I love you' 'my prince of white light' 'I will always love you'
And her english seemed to be russian that had been run through a translation
program. So I asked her if she could speak english. She never answer.
She still writes to me. She says she is sad and by her self most of the time.
I am a caring person, and she is virtually saying(read between lines) that
she will commit suicide if I break our contact.
WHAT SHALL I DO?
Tony from United States
Just break the contact. She won't kill herself. She's just find someone else to scam.
OJAS from United States
Anon Norge 2008-07-27, 13:32:13,
Like Tony says, DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY! Some fat Boris seems to be setting up a girl to scam you.
i livein cALIFORNIA USA AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ON YAHOO MESSENGER WITH A LADY FROM NIGERIA EMAIL DEBBIEWALKER@YAHOO.COM I WAS CONTACTED FROM ASIAN DATING AND PERSONALS WEBSITE SHE IS SYILL ON THERE SHE CLAMED THERE THAT SHJE LIVED IN MANCHESTER ENGLAND BUT UPON TALKING TO HER SHE SAID HER FATHER DIED AND HER MOTHER TOOK HER AND HER BROTHER BACK TO NIGERIA SHE WANTED TO COME AND LIVE WITH ME AND WANTED MONEY FORM PASSPORT THEN VISA TOTAL 750 DOLLARS WHICH I PAID THEN SHE WANTED 2540 DOLLARS FOR FARE I SAID I WILL BUY HER TICKET AND SEND TO HER SHE REFUSED WHICH MADE ME SUSPICIOUS THEN SHE WANTED MONEY FORT A LAPTOP AS HER BROTHER NEEDED THE ONE FOR HIS SCHOOL I DID NOT SEND THAT THEN I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO SEND THE MONEY AND SHE WAS GOING TO FLY TO THE STATES IN A COUPLE OF DAYS WELL SHE EMAILED ME WITH AIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESS STILL YAHOO SO CONFRONTED HER ON THAT SHE DENIED AT FIRST THEN FOUND OUTB WHAT SHE HAD DONE AND OFFEREED ME HER PASS SO I COULD SEE TWHAT WAS ON HER EMAIL THAT SHE WAS NOT SENDING OR TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE WHEN I CHECKED SHE HAD CLEANED IT COMPLETELY EXCEPT IN THE TRASH WAS A FEW MESSAGES ONE WAS FROM ANOTHER LADY I WAS CONTACTING WHO I FOUND OUT SHE IS A SCAMMER AS WELL HER NAME IS KATE JOHN 119 ON YAHOO SO TELL PEOPLE TO KEEP WAY FROM BOTH THESE LADIES THEY ARE SCAMMERS IF SOMEONE CAN PPUT PICTURES UP ON THE SITE I CAN EMAIL THEM TO THEM I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT I WANT THERE PICTURES PUT UPM FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS DOGIBOY99@YAHOO.COM OR DENNISDUNSFORD@AOL.COM THANKYOU PS DEBBIEWALKER007@YAHOO.COM AND ALSO DEBBIEWALKER90@YAHOO.COM KATEJOHN119@YAHOO.COM ARE THE SCAMMERS MAKE NOTE
Tony from United States
firstname.lastname@example.org from United States
Uou can save the pictures to you hard drive then use the browse button below to locate where you saved them then upload the pictures yourself.
email@example.com from Cuba
I´VE SEEN TIHS ADRESS IN YOUR LIST: Lonelyalena@yandex.ru
IS SHE A SCAMMER?
DO YOU KNOW SOMETHIG ABOUT THIS GIRL?
DO YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THIS GIRL?
LISTEN, I´M HAVING A DATING WITH THIS GIRL SINCE TWO MONTHS, I DON´T KNOW WHAT HAPPENDS BUT I DON´T TRUST ON HER.
SHE DOESN´T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND SAY ALWAYS THE SAME. I GUESS YOU ALLREADY KNOW WHAT I MEAN. 'I LOVE YOU, MY PRINCE; I DREAM WITH YOU' AND A LOT OF SILLY THINGS.
GUYS, IF YOU FIND SOME INFORMATION, SEND IT TO ME, PLEASE.
I´M SURE WE COULD CHANGE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE BASTARDS
YOU CAN WRITE TO ME FREE.
WAITING FOR YOUR SOONEST REPLY
Hey Anonymous from US. That 'girl' who had her mom passed away & has to go back for a sick dad......could be a boy too!
anonymous from United Kingdom
I THINK EVERYONE IS MISSING THE POINT HERE.....NONE OF THESE GIRL ARE SCAMMERS......I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN........NONE..OF..THESE..GIRLS..ARE SCAMMERS...?????? THEY ARE ALL PROFESSIONALLY PHOTOGRAPHED. ITS THE PERSON THAT IS TAKING THE PHOTOS THAT IS THE SCAMMER. HE HAS ALL THEIR PICTURES TO DO WHAT HE LIKES WITH THEM.. WHEN YOU SEE A PHOTO OF A YOUNG GIRL... YOU THINK THAT IS THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE TALKING TOO.... WELL ITS NOT..!!!!! ITS SOME FAT LITTLE HAIRY ARSED TWAT, WITH A PAIR OF BALLS AND A DICK SAYING 'OH DARLING I WANT TO COME TO YOUR COUNTRY AND STAY WITH YOU AND HAVE CHILDREN TOGETHER'. I'VE GOT ONE THAT HAS JUST BUZZED MY WHILE I AM TYPING THIS. I GET THE VERY SAME MAIL, WORD FOR WORD, WITH DIFFERENT PHOTOS ATTACHED. THE POLICE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHO TAKES THE PHOTOS... NOT WHOS IN THEM.. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE SEE THAT.. THE GIRLS ARE PROBABLY AS MUCH A VICTIM AS YOU LOT ARE, THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE BIG TIME MODELS.. I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN KNOW THERE PICS ARE ON THE INTERNET.. NONE OF US CARE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONNED, TRUST ME, SOMETHING I'VE LEART IN LIFE, 'IF IT LOOKS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT NORMALLY IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE'. IF YOU SEE PHOTOS THAT LOOK AS IF THEY HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONALLY DONE, YOU ARE BEING SCAMMED, F..K THEM OFF....I'VE BEEN LUCKY I'VE NOT PARTED WITH CASH. I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE INTERNET 2 MONTHS, ON A DATES SITE (MATE1) 4WEEK AND I'VE HAD 8 WOMEN(MEN) COME AT ME FOR CASH. I'M 45.WHY WOULD A 22 YR OLD STUNNER WANT AN OLD BASTARD LIKE ME?????THEY DON'T, THEY WANT MY CASH... DON'T GET CAUGHT AGAIN..... TAKE CARE EVERYONE......CARL
anonymous from Germany
and another scammer from russia
Hi Mexico, I have recieved the same letter as you as well as the photo. Big scam.
anonymous from Ireland
Hi Mexico, I also, have received this picture and the exact same letter from this idiotic person(s) with another three pictures attached. I knew it was iffy straight away. then another 4 pictures arrived of this chick....half naked with another stupid fucking message, I replied, basically telling them to kindly fuck off!, then another 4 pictues arrived with another stupid fucking question??! Now I am waiting for their pathetic sob story and request for money....I'll have a little play with these clowns. By the way, Mexico, what name did this picture come under? In my case she said her name was Natalya and stated that her private email address is firstname.lastname@example.org
I have also seen her picture going under the name of olive bird.........what a fucking clown!
All the best,
anonymous from United States
for mexico, australia, ireland
same picture, same letter , same scam