Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
The following NIGERIAN scammer tried to pull one on me.
She/He/it sucked badly in the effort.
Are people here in North America REALLY that stupid to fall for such comeons? I had my hopes up when she/he/it first contacted me, as nothing in the first contact had any hits online in google. I replied, primarily out of courtesy. I do not like to be rude without reason. I then got a reply. This email tagged THIS site when I cut and pasted part of a middle paragraph. A few words were different, but the main body of the text I used led me here, where I did a side by side comparison, virtually identical.
I promptly told he/she/it to f&^k off and am not uploading you guys the details so any others who might be wondering will have something to go by as well.
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Apr 19, 2009 4:31 AM
Hey you, don't be surprised to receive this message from me, i am new to this online stuff and i am trying to look for someone i can start up a conversation with. So how are you doing today, i hope you're doing good?? I am Jessica by name and i am single never been married and i don't have any kids as well. I joined this website a week ago but i haven't been using it really..... I can say you're the first person i am sending a message and i hope you will appreciate it... I was searching through profiles' and you came up on my search and i noticed something that you are also single and interested in dating/relationship. Its nice cause i would love to get to know you and if things work out between us then we can meet up in person..... Anyway check me out first and let me know if you're interested too and if not, i wish you best of luck. I will really appreciate it if you can email me me on my personal email address (firstname.lastname@example.org) or maybe we can chat some more cause i really, really want to know you and hopefully start something serious together. I am going end this letter here now and i will be waiting to hear back from you asap. Have a great day and take good care of your self.
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How are you doing today and i hope work is good?? Thanks for taking off the time to write back on myspace and for leaving your personal email.... I really appreciate it and now i believe totally that you are not online to play/toy with any body feelings. However it would be nice if we can chat some more because i really like msn live chat' cause with it, we can get to know more about each other and find out if we click or not. So please you need get your ass online and let chat Ok cause i have added you to my msn.. Anyway, let me tell you more about me in full details, I am 26 years old, a single lady like i said earlier, never been married and i don't have any children... Though i would love to have my own kids' just never had the chance to lol, but when i find the right man i am looking for then i won't hesitate to. I am 5'8 tall average body type and about 148ibs with brown eyes, I have black hair mixed with brown but i usually make my hair every three days so its kinda hard to say much about it... But i know i look cool and sexy too because i do take good care of my body as i have to look cool in the fashion industry lol, Well i will really love to hear more from you and hopefully to know your motives and intentions toward me... I am currently working for my self as a fashion designer and I model too... They are cool and nice jobs but i haven't been able to do the fashion designing lot lately because i am too busy with the modeling work because it keeps me more wiser and i get to travel a lot, so i love it and i am happy for my life... Sorry' right now i am presently out of the country to west Africa but Nigeria precisely, I am here for a modeling program'(Beauty Pageant)' but i will be heading back home in two weeks, Is that okay?... However, i hope we can meet in person when i am back because i really want to get to know you more and i hope you are ready to share everything about you with me??.....
Please, feel free to ask me whatever you wish to know about me as i am open minded and easy to get along with. ok. I had a terrible life history to tell you and it all based on when i was young, but i would love to tell you about it in my next email hopefully... And i hope when i do, it won't freak you out because its kinda hard to believe... I just hope i don't scare you lol. I am really a sincere and honest person, am caring, kind, friendly and very easy to get along with... I am social, romantic, passionate, smart, intelligent, cool headed, adaptive and i have a big heart... Also i do believe in truth and honesty cause honesty is the only key to human success and with honesty our dreams will just be the greatest and the best of all. I know its hard to be completely honest but i try to be who i am and do my best to keep others happy. Well no one can change me or my personality cause i believe in myself and my life is based on truths... I don't lie or cheat on anyone and never will do, because i know the kind of person i am and the way i treat others, I treat others just the way i want to be treated... I really do care a lot about others who care for me because i am a very caring person and my heart is so blessed and lovely...
I am really looking for a guy who is completely honest and sincere about his words and feelings, who is ready for a long term relationship... I want a guy who is ready to build up a family with someone, a guy who i can have faith and completely trust with all my heart because to make a standard relationship' it must be based on trust and being completely honest... Love, trust and honesty are one big family, and with them in all i bet the relationship will be the greatest you ever imagine. I believe in devoting my time to my loved once and making them very happy because they are my own families and i always do look forward to the day i will get to meet my dream man, and i know when he got to see me' he will be so happy to get along with my kind of person too... However, i have been through some relationships and i was hurt, but i still never give up because i know there is one man out there who will eventually be the man of my life and i am ready to love him completely... My past has helped me in knowing who i am and the kind of person i am really too' this is why i will remain the same person and i will never change because my life is based on truths and i am very supportive to others dreams and goals. Though i do all this for my last boyfriend but he took advantage of me, Stupid... Honestly i got to think he wasn't with his senses because he had everything from me, total attention, and i was there for him every sec... Well i guess that wasn't enough for him, he will rather dies sleeping around with women... 'Bastard'... I regretted ever knowing him.... So like i was saying, i like to be around my man every now and then and i am very straight when it comes to a relationship but i just never got the same in return....
I love the outdoors, sports but i am tired of going all alone lol, I'll tell you more about that later. I attached more pictures for you and hope they don't scare you away. lol' I will end my email here now and i hope to hear more from you. Please tell me the right time to catch you on messenger if you set up any yet because we are on different time zone for now... And i would love to get to know more about you... Peace out.
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What do you think Wanwan and Ojas. Is she getting ready to pop the 'M' money question? It/he/she is barking up the wrong tree. the entertainment is good, however. LOL
CPH from United States
Whoever is tagging my posts with 'scammer and whore' should stop. Thank you.
Fred from Germany
never mind, some people have been so frustrated by those same people
they just think that expressing their anger helps
may be it does
the tags are anyhow not far from the truth, except that the girls in the pics might be innocent.
some certainly are, some are defenitely not
take care and dont let yourself be fooled
Lady from Kirov Russia with name Katya 25 years old and email address:Rybka16111983@rambler.ru is also an scammer. She has a membership in hotornot to send emails and find people to scam. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Katya
Thanks Fred. The scammer I've been toying with has apparently decided to go find a fresher catch. I knew after two or three emails that someone was trying to sink the 'HOOK' and so I just played along...suggested we meet in the middle, each responsible for individual costs, send conflicting information, letting the scammer know I've been tracking it's IP address, expressed my 'love and devotion' for it, etc.
All the while 'it' kept sending me letters and pictures but never once answering key questions of mine...never! It just kept sending the 'next' letter in the series. First big clue!
Scammer claims it has no telephone. 2nd clue.
Scammer does not include any pictures that reveal any type of location. 3rd clue.
Scammer did not provide photo with current date stamped or current newspaper as requested. 4th clue.
Scammer expressed love, intense love after three emails. (That's a funny one!) 5th clue.
yada yada yada.
To those doubting guys out there, hope these clues help.